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Roadster
22-08-08, 09:27 PM
So you want to buy your first bike, but your not sure what?

these, my follow JDMSTers, are your choices...

Roadster
22-08-08, 09:36 PM
To kick everything off, we have the famous honda CBR250R/RR.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1151/img0117ad4.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6533/img0116ui5.jpg

Honda CBR125R

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2008models/2008-Honda-CBR125Re.jpg

Honda VTR-250

http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2004/vtr250_rhs_700p.jpg

CBF250

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Honda%20CBF250%2004%20%203.jpg

CB400

http://www.honda.co.jp/motor-lineup/cb400sf/images/pht_color_06.jpg

Roadster
22-08-08, 09:52 PM
Kawasaki's turn...

GPX250
http://www.racereplica.info/supersports-gpx250r-blackBB.jpg

ZZR-250
http://www.pro-am.ca/images/newModels/2007%20ZZR250.bmp

ninja 250R
http://www.kawasaki.com.au/kawpublic_images/product_images/ninja250r_studio.jpg

Buddah
22-08-08, 09:58 PM
What about this one to add to the Honda list?

Honda VFR400
http://www.v-four.freeserve.co.uk/images/vfr400.jpg

Roadster
22-08-08, 10:03 PM
actually, the VFR isn't legal, but the newer model RVF400 is... go figure..

http://www.hoc.org.uk/gallery/bikes/RVF400_NC35_1994(2).jpg
http://www.visordown.com/news/images/1278/rvf400.jpg

Buddah
22-08-08, 10:21 PM
Really? A friend of mine was telling me it was a while ago. Maybe its changed?

Is the new model quicker?

Sp33dY
22-08-08, 10:29 PM
What are the risks involved in buying an older bike ? Do bikes need engine rebuilds often, or not?

kev.inc
22-08-08, 10:37 PM
rvf400 is LAMS due to it being heavier and less power.

Risks involved are not knowing what type of owner rode this before you, especially with the LAMS 250. And being LAMS, mostly learners ride these so they may or may not know much about the maintenance aspect of a high revving I4 engine. Also being an old bike, suspension may be shot and would've been dropped numerous times.

Not sure with engine rebuilding but i guess if it still produces a good amount of hp, it doesnt really need rebuild.

edit: I'm talking about a cbr250rr as this is what most learner go for.

OVTEC
23-08-08, 12:27 AM
you also have the aprilia RS125

http://www.arpem.com/motos/modelos/aprilia/flash/2006/rs-125/aprilia-rs-125-fd.jpg

Iain
23-08-08, 02:09 AM
http://www.encyclomoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/yamaha_cruiser_xvs650adragstar1.jpg

XVS650A love the yama-harley ~~also learner legal

haikii
23-08-08, 02:49 AM
I was just about to post that bike eastcoastdrifter! yamaha 650 dragster/v-star !!!!!

Roadster
23-08-08, 09:04 AM
What are the risks involved in buying an older bike ? Do bikes need engine rebuilds often, or not?

if you bought a CBR250R, i had to change the following on mine to keep it running.
batttery, CDI, fuel pump and regulator rectifier. the bike had only done 20,000km, but it was 18 years old.

A mate of mine rode a CBR600F, 1998? model past 100,000km, and it still pulled strong without burning a drop of oil. if you talking 2 strokes, you need your regular topend rebuild say every 15,000km?

brasher
23-08-08, 11:48 AM
All these limp wristed girly bikes :lol:

Best thing a learner can do is get on a bike that will pop the front up in 5/6 gears :lol:

Husky SM510R

http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Husqvarna/2007_Husky_SM510R_2r.JPG

Garth Ivers
23-08-08, 06:07 PM
damn that husq is hot

just found the price... FOUR-TEEN-FUCKING-GRAND??

omg...

Garth Ivers
23-08-08, 06:10 PM
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20%20A/Yamaha%20SR400%2002.jpg

nothing like the thump of a single, plus its unique for those of you not into the plastic fantastic bikes

$8-9k std from deus

http://motoaus.com/images/stories/storyimages/yamaha/scorpio-studio-big.jpg

Yamaha Scorpio
@ 4K it's cheap and nASSSTy but a pretty easy ride, did i mention its ugly?

Roadster
24-08-08, 09:31 PM
Sachs Madass 125cc, 4 speed manual, $2990 RRP

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/110/309226259_68b2739c69.jpg

jo86
24-08-08, 11:57 PM
Kawasaki ZXR250 AKA ZX2R

Direct rival with the CBR250RR

- Twin Disc front brakes
- 19000rpm Redline
- Upside down front forks
- Adjustable suspension front and rear

http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20020930bikepics3935180ev7.jpg

zawrilla
27-08-08, 02:06 AM
Does R and RR just mean road and road/race? I have no idea about bikes.
Also..what are the major differences between a road bike and a road/race bike with for example CBR250R and a CBR250RR??
Oh..and what's a grey import?

Garth Ivers
27-08-08, 04:51 AM
grey import are 2nd hand bikes from japan
r and rr is just like model codes, the more r's the better... lol
differences are normally power suspension brakes

benxxx
29-08-08, 04:46 PM
Really? A friend of mine was telling me it was a while ago. Maybe its changed?

Is the new model quicker?

RVF has 5hp less (dfferent carb) it does has USD Forks and a few other chassis changes and different headlights, they are an amazing bike, the V4 is awesome, they are very fun to ride, my mate used to have one with and exhaust, braided lines and some pilot powers and it was a heap of fun.

benxxx
29-08-08, 04:48 PM
grey import are 2nd hand bikes from japan
r and rr is just like model codes, the more r's the better... lol
differences are normally power suspension brakes

Single R has only one front brake disc instead of two like the RR. there is suspension and power differences but I'm not sure what they are exactly

and RR is meant to be "Race Replica"

Roadster
29-08-08, 06:46 PM
Single R has only one front brake disc instead of two like the RR. there is suspension and power differences but I'm not sure what they are exactly

and RR is meant to be "Race Replica"

1989+ R and RR's are limited to 180kph.
RR's have a banana swing arm, which are usually designed for 2 strokes so there is space for the expansion chamber.
RR's seating position has more of a race posture.
RR's have smaller carbs by 2mm?
R's have a fuel pump, where if they are 15 years old, will die when the engine gets really hot.
RR's carbs are gravity fed.
both bikes have shitty regulator/rectifier
92? RR's are suppose to have 40HP
88-91 R and RR's have 45HP

DR-JEKL
29-08-08, 09:08 PM
The honda NS bros JDM bikes are hot & LAMS legal in nsw also. By memory its a NS450 bros?

I nearly bought one witha CBR600RR front end setup on it....

Good thread, also the entire Hyosung range is LAMS legal :)

Taleb Tyres
25-09-08, 03:08 AM
Good thread,

im currently looking into getting a bike very soon, but ye dont want anything flash just yet as i dont really see the point when you know your gonna be upgrading it in such a short time,
looking at a cbr250rr so far, im learning so dont want a beast just yet(not like theres an option) and they look decent enough, seem economical too as most of the guys are able to resell them at cost price even after a year due to demand...But damn theyre expensive for what they really are! at least they have held up their value so no risk of a big loss lol!

so anyone on here wants to sell me their one, unlesss you can recommend me something else :)

danielb
25-09-08, 10:24 AM
The honda NS bros JDM bikes are hot & LAMS legal in nsw also. By memory its a NS450 bros?

I nearly bought one witha CBR600RR front end setup on it....

Good thread, also the entire Hyosung range is LAMS legal :)

Honda BROS NT400 i think you mean?

Nice bikes, single sided swing arm, v-twin etc

haikii
24-12-08, 11:33 AM
GS500
http://www.koups.com/sales/suzuki/images/2001_models/gs500k1_blue.jpg

ER-5
http://www.bikez.com/pictures/kawasaki/2001/4280_0_1_2_er-5%20twister_Image%20by%20Kawasaki.%20Published%20w ith%20permission..jpg

and.. well these aren't here yet... lol but hopefully they do soon and will be LAM legal

XJR400R
http://www.weblio.jp/img/dict/ymhdb/xjr400r/xjr400r_1a.jpg

benxxx
24-12-08, 02:22 PM
My work mate has an ER5, it's nice to ride. very comfortable

Garth Ivers
25-12-08, 02:39 PM
go the xjr!

haikii
26-12-08, 11:54 PM
got any other nakeds like that? besides the cb400?

I've no idea what else is out there that is LAM


GSF Bandits
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20%20A/Suzuki%20GSF%20250%20V%20Bandit%201995.jpg

TMA5
05-10-09, 05:32 AM
Picked up the October Just Bikes, as it had a very sexy bike on the cover....

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a250/ahbak/JustBikes1690995117.jpg
From iSubscribe http://www.isubscribe.com.au/

Turned out to be a Learner Special edition, and the cover bike is a Kawasaki ZX2-RR, a custom version of the ZXR-250C, sold by Sumoto in Melbourne. Modifications are aesthetic only, with new fairing package including mirrors, indicators, front mudguard, ducktail and seat cowl. No changes to internals and mechanics.

At $7990, anyone think this is a good buy? Has anyone purchased from Sumoto and would recommend their service/bikes? Seems like a lot of people think their bikes are quite unreliable??

Also mentioned in the mag was the Megelli 250R, UK-designed and built/assembled in China. Yet to find any mainstream reviews on it however specs state horsepower is a measley 18hp, far behind the Kawa Ninja 250R at 32hp.

Looks quite good though. Early indications are that price will be around the $5500-6000 mark, on sale in Oct.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a250/ahbak/Megelli250R.jpg
From Motorsport Importers http://www.motorsportimporters.com.au/

Looking to get back on a bike, mainly curious about Sumoto bikes, any help/thoughts is appreciated!

Thomas

Taz_
05-10-09, 07:19 AM
I had a Honda VTR250 in black. Low mileage, great bike. Needed needed to fix a thing on it.

Easy to ride, looks good if you like that style and has decent bottom end urge as it's a V-twin.

Sold it quickly after the restrictions were over too and it held it's value.

The biggest benefit is that it's a naked bike and newer and not an import. You can see if it's been dropped or bent in anyway since there are no fairings to hide it all.

Initially I wanted an Aprilia RS125 but the need to rebuild regularly and being 2 stroke turned me off.

danielb
05-10-09, 09:56 AM
TMA5 avoid sumoto like the plague.

Search on a forum called netrider for sumoto, and have a read of some of the horror stories if you want an indication of what they're like.

kev.inc
05-10-09, 12:04 PM
+1 for avoiding Sumoto. Check out cbr250.com as well for some stories.

jdmsinister
05-10-09, 02:39 PM
YAMAHA YZFR-125 has been announced in Australia this month. LAMS approved

PS: Avoid sumoto at all costs. The bikes has just been cosmetically enhanced just like chicks with fake tits.

SUROK
07-10-09, 03:55 PM
can i ask why the latest ninja 250R has less power than a 1990s cbr250R/rr .. how on earth has technology not progressed? im looking at buying a bike, and yes. like all good retards i want a fast one..

Roadster
07-10-09, 03:59 PM
can i ask why the latest ninja 250R has less power than a 1990s cbr250R/rr .. how on earth has technology not progressed? im looking at buying a bike, and yes. like all good retards i want a fast one..

cbr250's are 4 cylinder that rev to 18,000rpm.

the ninja come with a 2 cylinder parallel engine that revs to 14,000rpm.

.::F[L]Y::.
07-10-09, 04:30 PM
Picked up the October Just Bikes, as it had a very sexy bike on the cover....

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a250/ahbak/JustBikes1690995117.jpg
From iSubscribe http://www.isubscribe.com.au/

Turned out to be a Learner Special edition, and the cover bike is a Kawasaki ZX2-RR, a custom version of the ZXR-250C, sold by Sumoto in Melbourne. Modifications are aesthetic only, with new fairing package including mirrors, indicators, front mudguard, ducktail and seat cowl. No changes to internals and mechanics.

At $7990, anyone think this is a good buy? Has anyone purchased from Sumoto and would recommend their service/bikes? Seems like a lot of people think their bikes are quite unreliable??

Also mentioned in the mag was the Megelli 250R, UK-designed and built/assembled in China. Yet to find any mainstream reviews on it however specs state horsepower is a measley 18hp, far behind the Kawa Ninja 250R at 32hp.

Looks quite good though. Early indications are that price will be around the $5500-6000 mark, on sale in Oct.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a250/ahbak/Megelli250R.jpg
From Motorsport Importers http://www.motorsportimporters.com.au/

Looking to get back on a bike, mainly curious about Sumoto bikes, any help/thoughts is appreciated!

Thomas


you could probably pick up a ZX2R and purchase the tyga kit and do it yourself for much less than what sumoto is asking for it...

Although I think the kit is only for the type C ninjas?

TMA5
07-10-09, 07:04 PM
dayum.....they DO make them!

http://tyga-performance.com/site/index.php?cPath=73_790

Looks like they haven't got a price up but probably would be close to $1000 to buy/fit/paint.

ehh... maybe i just like the matte black look.

Hyosung are probably a good option as well, they seem to have done fairly well in sales, and with the 2010 range out, older models are getting discounted too. Will probably look more into these...

SUROK
07-10-09, 07:40 PM
but why isnt the ninja 250 faster than a cbr250rr? its nearly 20 years newer.
isnt it a sports bike?

Roadster
07-10-09, 07:43 PM
but why isnt the ninja 250 faster than a cbr250rr? its nearly 20 years newer.
isnt it a sports bike?

the engine in the ninja 250 is nearly 20 years old, but then again same as the cbr250. one was made for commuting, the other for sports. twin cylinder bikes usually dont rev very high, 4 cylinder bikes have relatively a shorter short, hence the higher RPM. higher RPM = more power.

SUROK
07-10-09, 07:58 PM
yeah i have just been reading the cbr forums then.. i get it now. so im on the lookout for a good cbr250rr...with a service history..

kev.inc
07-10-09, 08:01 PM
Good luck with that.

fufu
07-10-09, 10:13 PM
Problem is Tyga won't sell you the kit because they have a ties with an Australian company. Guess which company has full custody to sell those kits in Australia?

Starts with an S

Oh yes this company does those tyga kit fit outs to their own motorbikes as well.


Yes that's correct its Sumoto.

So regardless if you plan on buying a retrofitted tyga kit bike from Sumoto or just buying the tyga kit. One things for certain, Sumoto is going to have a go at your behind.

kev.inc
07-10-09, 10:18 PM
Pretty sure there was an Aussie company that stock TYGA kits (name escapes me). But they will charge you an arm and a leg.

fufu
07-10-09, 10:31 PM
Pretty sure there was an Aussie company that stock TYGA kits (name escapes me). But they will charge you an arm and a leg.

http://www.cbr250.com/cbr250/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=968177&TOPIC_ID=59857&FORUM_ID=4

I'm not sure if this is in effect for their whole product list. Let me know if you can find another company that does it.

I conversed with a guy on youtube who managed to get complete an RVF400 with tyga kit but in the end he ended up buying it from Sumoto.

Difference being he bought his own reliable RVF400. But the total cost ends up to be roughly the same. You can choose your own paint job and styling.

Trade off would be getting one already done by Sumoto though reliability of the motorbike would be questionable.

kev.inc
07-10-09, 10:37 PM
The other company was B Components. But website no longer works so they have probably shut down.

In my opinion, buy a bike that is mechanically perfect as well as straight and just get the kit from Sumoto.

benxxx
07-10-09, 10:48 PM
Buy a bike that rides well, don't worry about a body kit, the bike is a lams bike, you will have fun, but you will not keep it, it's a short term thing in 99% of cases

kev.inc
07-10-09, 10:51 PM
^What he said. You will drop it no matter what. Unless you are in that 5% who are very lucky.

SUROK
07-10-09, 11:25 PM
who gives a stuff aboput a tyga kit? its like a body kit for a car.its a wank. cbr2250rrs already have a fairing..

The_Giefster
13-10-09, 02:13 PM
Ok I am looking into getting my first bike. I am a big bloke 6'3 and large build. My budget is not big, so I am after a 2nd hand bike. This is just for commuting to work and back. What should I be looking for?

benxxx
13-10-09, 02:36 PM
GS500E

Cheap, Reliable, Comfy (especially for someone your size), 300k to a tank which is great range for a bike.

Roadster
13-10-09, 03:23 PM
GS500E

Cheap, Reliable, Comfy (especially for someone your size), 300k to a tank which is great range for a bike.

i just sold a gs500f for 4k with no rego last week