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thetunersgroup
12-09-08, 08:45 PM
No JDM content, but anyone who has any appreciation of quality engineering and old school race cars will get a kick out of this ...

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen064.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen011.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen026.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen021.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen032.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen033.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen035.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen037.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen038.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen046.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen063.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen062.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen065.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen067.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen071.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/ferry911/essen/Essen066.jpg

That is just a small sample of the photos.

Check out the rest at ...

http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19341

Page two is mostly text, but there are more photos on later pages.

- Adam

Kikkoman
12-09-08, 10:22 PM
No JDM content,

- Adam

Porsche > JDM any day of the week.

Maybe besides the Boxter though

:P

Dave R
12-09-08, 10:46 PM
Only since yesterday after driving a 997 Carrera S at Wakefield Park do i appreciate Porches at a level much higher then ever before! so insanely fast and capable, 1:08's in stock form any day, everyday!

kikkoman, what is wrong with the Boxter ? The Boxter S is a very capable car to!

Some amazing machines in the pictures above!

Cappuccino
12-09-08, 11:35 PM
thanks for sharing thats awesome!

Taz_
13-09-08, 05:59 AM
Awesome....

Is that fibreglass/kevlar resiny stuff used on the engine externals?

WaspHunter
13-09-08, 08:59 AM
Awesome....

Is that fibreglass/kevlar resiny stuff used on the engine externals?

Looks like the kevlar I've seen used on a few boat hulls...

Awesome btw.

thetunersgroup
13-09-08, 05:59 PM
Maybe besides the Boxter though

:P

There is a black widebodied (in steel) boxster in Sydney with a GT3 engine in it and Cup car suspension and brakes :)

The reason that a lot of people don't like the stock Boxster is that it is always compared to the 911, and many claim the boxster is underpowered.

Mind you, the Boxster S has better power etc. And the mid engine layout does give awesome handling.

Some people think a Porsche should always be rear engined, but frankly I think an amazing car would be a mid engined Cayman with a 911 turbo motor in it - you'd get the best of both worlds - mid engine handling and 911 turbo power.

That's essentially the thinking behind the Ruf RK Coupe ...

http://image.automobilemag.com/f/reviews/coupes/6709119/0701_z+2007_ruf_rk_coupe+side.jpg

Clike here for a large rear view ...
http://www.cars-wallpapers.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/studio-torino-rk-coupe.jpg

More info on it is here ...
http://www.studiotorino.com/en/auto/coupe/progetto.htm
http://www.rufautocentre.com/newcars/RUF_RKCoupe.asp

Image gallery is here ...
http://www.supercars.net/cars/3769.html

Video here ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UnnAEkbqpM

- Adam

thetunersgroup
13-09-08, 06:02 PM
Awesome....

Is that fibreglass/kevlar resiny stuff used on the engine externals?

Yes it is.

It was also used by Porsche in the days before carbon fibre to make intakes ... we were also talking about in this thread a few weeks back ...

http://forum.jdmstyletuning.com/showthread.php?p=279768#post279768


From memory they were made from a super thin early composite. They are so thin that they are translucent. I believe it was some kind of resin with a fine medium within it.

Phenloic resin rings a bell there. The 930's (911 turbo's) ran spacers between the intake manifold and the head that are made of phenolic.

Here is a better view of them ...

Note that the injectors are set very high - at the top of the trumpets, and the throttle bodes were not butterflies - they were slide throttles - super low profile in design ...

http://www.pelicanparts.com/vasekauction/908/med/DSC02078.JPG
http://www.pelicanparts.com/vasekauction/908/med/DSC02058.JPG
http://www.pelicanparts.com/vasekauction/908/med/DSC02038.JPG

That engine was made in the days before carbon fibre, so Porsche used to use early composites and make them as absolutely thin and light as possible.

I'll check with a contact in the US who raced at Le Mans as a Porsche factory driver in the 1960's and 70's - he'd know exactly what the intakes are made of.

You can find quite a bit of info on these cars here ...

http://www.cknet.org.uk/
http://www.cknet.org.uk/html/917_30.asp
http://www.porsche917.com.ar/index_i.htm

As it says on Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_917 ...



Remember this was in about 1971 - if you think about what other companies were racing back then, the 917 must have been like aliens just landed on earth with a car 40 years ahead of it's time.

There is a company called Kraft Werkz in Melbourne who are the only company in the world building 917 replicas ...

http://www.duttondirect.com/data/users/photos/large/4/596.jpg

There is an article about their company here ...

http://www.porschesport.com/April%202007%20feature.html

This is one of Kraftwerkz's 917 replicas. Would this be eligible for superlap ? :) ...

It's road registered :) ...

http://www.porschesport.com/LMK_917_010_May_06.jpg

Check out how low it is - the roof only just reaches door handle height on the audi parked behind it :)

- Adam

thetunersgroup
13-09-08, 06:10 PM
Only since yesterday after driving a 997 Carrera S at Wakefield Park do i appreciate Porches at a level much higher then ever before! so insanely fast and capable, 1:08's in stock form any day, everyday!

kikkoman, what is wrong with the Boxter ? The Boxter S is a very capable car to!

Some amazing machines in the pictures above!

I know what you mean about track performance Dave. I had exactly the same reaction I first drove a 911.

Unfortunately you are now wrecked for life haha :) - trust me, the memory of that Carrera S you drove will now be seared deep into your mind.

I give you six months at most before you're scouring the "Porsche for sale" ads to get yourself into a 911. They are completely addictive cars. It's hard to explain to anyone who's never driven one on a track, but the best way is to find a way to get a drive on a track in one.

See my post above for why some people don't like Boxsters.

The amazing thing is that you can just completely cane a 911 all day long on the track, put your road tyres back on, and drive it home.

I've seen very few 911's ever break down on track days - actually I'm finding it hard to think of any. The only time I can remember a 911 having to be towed home from a club track day in the last few years was when the supercharged 911 caught fire at Wakefield ...

Here's the video ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt9ABwc-wds

That fire was not caused by a broken fuel line - it was caused by a broken weld (not my weld - another workshop tried to weld aluminium to magnesium so the weld broke), but the fuel pressure lifted the fuel rail once the weld broke, then sprayed fuel all over the exhaust.

If you get the chance to drive an early lightweight 911, it's an even purer experience than the Carrera S. Think less weight, more communicative chassis, and just more of everything. That's part of what makes the Supercharged 911 project car such a weapon ...

http://www.supercharged911.com

By the way, it looks like it'll be featured in a major Australian magazine in a couple of months - they did the photos for the article last week.


Only since yesterday after driving a 997 Carrera S at Wakefield Park ... so insanely fast and capable, 1:08's in stock form any day, everyday!

The supercharged 911 project car does 1:06's ;) On early 70's torsion bar suspension - no coilovers - not bad for a 37 year old car ;)

- Adam

Dave R
13-09-08, 06:39 PM
I know what you mean about track performance Dave. I had exactly the same reaction I first drove a 911.

Unfortunately you are now wrecked for life haha :) - trust me, the memory of that Carrera S you drove will now be seared deep into your mind.

I give you six months at most before you're scouring the "Porsche for sale" ads to get yourself into one. They are completely addictive cars. It's hard to explain to people, but the best way is to find a way to get a drive on a track in one.

See my post above for why some people don't like Boxsters.

The amazing thing is that you just completely cane a 911 all day long on the track, put your road tyres back on, and drive it home. I've seen very few 911's ever break down on track days - actually I'm finding it hard to think of any. The only time I can remember a 911 having to be towed home from a club track day was when the supercharged 911 caught fire at Wakefield ...

Here's the video ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt9ABwc-wds

That fire was not caused by a broken fuel line - it was caused by a broken weld (not my weld - another workshop tried to weld aluminium to magnesium so the weld broke), but the fuel pressure lifted the fuel rail once the weld broke, then sprayed fuel all over the exhaust.

If you get the chance to drive an early lightweight 911, it's an even purer experience than the Carrera S. Think less weight, more communicative chassis, and just more of everything. That's part of what makes the Supercharged 911 project car such a weapon ...

http://www.supercharged911.com

By the way, it looks like it'll be featured in a major Australian magazine in a couple of months - they did the photos for the article last week.



The supercharged 911 project car does 1:06's ;) On early 70's torsion bar suspension - no coilovers - not bad for a 37 year old car ;)

- Adam

I have got the bug! i really really want one!!!

the thing is, the 997 Carrera S i drove was completely stock including tyres, and i still think 1:08s is do-able all day every day!!! i was driving in sports mode with the traction off and dampers on stiff, was so easy to drive.. i also drove a E92 M3 on the day and it was no where near as good, down the straight at 200 accelerating through the kink it starts to get twitchy and it doesn't give u the same 'you are in control' feel that the 911 S gave me...

BTW if you are offering me a drive in the s/c 911 i will more then happily accept :P haha *dreaming*

thetunersgroup
13-09-08, 06:48 PM
I have got the bug! i really really want one!!!

the thing is, the 997 Carrera S i drove was completely stock including tyres, and i still think 1:08s is do-able all day every day!!! i did a 1:11 on my first opening lap and was slowed down by a dam evo (on semi's) that would not let me overtake, i know for a fact that i would of clocked a 1:08 or low 1:09 easy if it wasn't for the evo, was driving in sports mode with the traction off and dampers on stiff, was so easy to drive.. i also drove a E92 M3 on the day and it was no where near as good, down the straight at 200 accelerating through the kink it starts to get twitchy and it doesn't give u the same 'you are in control' feel that the 911 S gave me...

Hahaha ! Yep, you're hooked.

The Carrera S is a truly awesome car - the 993 Carrera 4S is great too. Either of these 993 Carrera 4S's would do the job nicely :) ...

http://www.aceautosports.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/98-porsche-993-c2s-coupe-blue-018-medium.jpg

http://www.autosalon-singen.de/photos//porsche_993_c_4s_gt2_umbau_02457_0145_02_02_01.jpg

The best thing about 911's is that the older cars are even better in terms of that feeling of connection you get from the car when driving one on a track - there is no computer stuff messing with the suspension - just a direct connection between the steering wheel and the front tyres, and your right foot and the rear tyres. And they're a LOT less money than a 997 Carrera S.

- Adam

thetunersgroup
13-09-08, 06:59 PM
Hahaha ! Yep, you're hooked.

Or how about this one :) ...

http://www.houston-imports.com/images/article/rides/princeton/porsche16.jpg

See
http://forum.jdmstyletuning.com/showthread.php?t=11937
for more details

- Adam