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van
26-09-08, 01:57 PM
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/8880/motorcycle-identifier-and-tracking-devices-trailed-in-victoria/

Pass it around chums. This is huge news, and motorcyclists need to know about it, so they can fight against it before they slip it into law.

Garth Ivers
26-09-08, 05:48 PM
this is vehicle tracking!
surely the privacy act wont let it pass??

surely you could simply remove it? or bust the internals and leave it 'installed'?

thetunersgroup
27-09-08, 07:33 PM
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/8880/motorcycle-identifier-and-tracking-devices-trailed-in-victoria/

Pass it around chums. This is huge news, and motorcyclists need to know about it, so they can fight against it before they slip it into law.

That's absolutely shocking. And it's easy to see what the next step is ... once it's introduced for bikes they'll come up with some study that says it reduced the number of bike accidents and then they'll make it compulsory for all cars too.

And as soon as one state does that, EVERY state will do it, for a simple reason ...

Effectively they can then map what the speed limit is in every street in the country into a computer system.

Once they do that, it's a short step to a potential scenario where the minute you go over the speed limit ANYWHERE, the system will detect that you are speeding, and if the government can prove that you are speeding, do you honestly think they won't send you a ticket in the mail ?

And the ONLY way to fine people for speeding like that is if the system also identifies which car was speeding, and surprise, surprise, there you have a car & bike identification and tracking system.


HOW IT WORKS

I also think that the motor report article has misunderstood how the system works. The motor report article reads ...


"Let’s say you’re here at ‘position A’ at a certain time (we’ll call it ‘time X’). Then, some minutes later (call that ‘time Y’) you’ve been tracked to another position, which we’ll call ‘position B’.

Now if that tracking shows that the time taken to traverse the tarmac between ‘A’ and ‘B’ is a poofteenth too close to the speed of light (or even just slightly quick), you’re nicked my son. And it’s going to set you back a gross or two of pfennigs to redeem your standing in the old licence department."

The reason I think that misunderstands the technology is this ...


“ISA is a type of in-vehicle telematics that uses GPS and/or other technologies to compare the location, heading and speed of a vehicle with an onboard speed zone map database containing the speed limits for the road network. ISA is being developed to assist motorists to comply with speed limits."

Now what that statement makes clear is that the system is NOT just measuring speed between two points like some systems for trucks on freeways etc. Instead it monitors "the location, heading and speed of a vehicle".

That is effectively real time monitoring.

And if they then introduce a speeding fine system based on the data from the box in your car, effectively it is like having a speed camera attached to your car or bike everywhere you go, 24 hours a day.


THE BIG PRIVACY MONSTER ISSUE BEHIND THIS

And not only that, if the system records "the location, heading and speed of a vehicle" data, and it is used for speeding fines, what makes you think the government won't archive all that data into a big datacentre somewhere ?

The government would then say they "need" to archive it so that if people dispute speeding fines generated by the system, that they need the data archived to prove it in court.

And of course, if you archive all the data and it transmitted back to that datacentre in real time, then the government not only has a way to tell where you are at all times, but they also have a record of where you have been, and when.

This entire system is just the latest in government BS.

They banned radar detectors on the basis that radar detectors caused people to speed, when in reality the studies proved that people who used radar detectors were more aware of what speeds they were travelling at, and consequently had LESS accidents, not more.

This GPS tracking system will be forced upon Australia under the guise of improving road safety, when in reality it is nothing more than legislating for a system that opens the door for future:

(a) real time monitoring of everyone
(b) a system that tracks where your car is at every minute of everyday
(c) a system that is effectively a speed camera attached to your car permanently

What an absolute disgrace !

- Adam

thetunersgroup
27-09-08, 07:51 PM
this is vehicle tracking!
surely the privacy act wont let it pass??

surely you could simply remove it? or bust the internals and leave it 'installed'?

You know what ? This is the kind of thing we could potentially get Today Tonight riled up about if we approached them in the right way.

They could actually use their air time to do something useful by publicising this.

- Adam