New Civic Type R hatch a bit weaksauce? (Civic Type R-R on page 3)

[van]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o128/localmike/civic_type-r.jpg

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/31/new-civic-type-r-not-living-up-to-its-moniker/


The buff books across the pond have gotten their hands on the new Civic Type-R and for the first time, we're not particularly disappointed that we won't be getting Honda's hottest hatch.

Although both reviews we've read (links are at the bottom of the post) say that the new vehicle has made marginal improvements over its forbears, both Car and AutoCar seem to be less than impressed.

Power output has been increased by exactly one pony, but even with the revised VTEC engagement point and smoothed-out power band, the added heft took the thrill out of a previously thrilling vehicle. Additionally, the steering input was much more responsive when compared to the outgoing model, yet Honda decided to nix the Civic's independent rear suspension in favor of a torsion beam rear-end. One step forward, one step back.

Traditionally, Honda's R-badged offerings were made for a select group of enthusiasts, willing to sacrifice some amenities (A/C, sound deadening material, etc.) for a potent driving experience. Unfortunately, that ethos seems to be lost on this newest Type-R and, for the first time, we're wary of the future of Honda's performance division.

* Car (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/first_drive.php?sid=429&page=1)
* AutoCar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Honda-Civic-2.0-i-VTEC-Type-R/223990/#)

Tip props to Rocket Punch.

[van]

Civic Type R officially launched in Japan, dealers take delivery.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/03/29/honda-launches-the-civic-type-r-sedan-in-japan/


Come Friday, March 30, the new Civic Type R will go on sale in Japan. Based on the current Civic 4-door, the Type R is powered by a screaming, normally aspirated 2.0-liter four cylinder that eclipses 100 hp/liter, producing around 225 ponies at 8,000 rpm and 159 lb-ft of torque at 6,100 rpm.. A six-speed manual transmission feeds power to the front wheels -- 18-inch units shod with a set of Bridgestone Potenzas. Four-piston Brembos are visible between the spokes and provide the car's stopping power. Body rigidity is said to be 50% better than that of the previous Integra Type R (Acura RSX).

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o128/localmike/jdm-civic_r_004.jpg


Externally, a redesigned front fascia incorporates a large lower air intake for improved breathing. The hood and front fenders are unique to the Type R, as is the rear bumper with its integrated diffuser. Red "H" emblems, sill extensions and the to-be-expected rear wing cap off the car's racy look. Type R badging adorns the rear of the car, and logo decals are available for owners who want to add them to the spot in front of the rear wheel cutout. Additionally, Modulo provides an aftermarket stripe kit and accessory driving lights, both of which you can see in the attached gallery. Viewed in profile, the Type R has an aggressive stance, with a decidedly pointed snout. It is the best-looking Civic sedan available in any market.

Inside, Type R-exclusive front seats await the driver and passenger, and the upholstery is available in either all-black or a black-and-red two-tone. An aluminum shift knob, metallic pedals, red steering wheel logo, and an Engine Start button make it clear that this is not your ordinary Civic, while options such as ambient lighting in the footwells and Honda's hard-disk navigation system allow for further personalization. Three paint colors -- Championship White, Super Platinum metallic, and Vivid Blue Pearl -- are offered, and Honda hopes to sell 400 of the cars each month at a price of 2,835,000 yen (which directly translates to around $24,000 USD for those of you who were wondering, not that it really applies to us). All we know is that we want one. Badly.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o128/localmike/jdm-civic_r_001.jpg

[Jing]

FUCK FUCK FUCK, van guess which one we are getting?

u r right. The end.

[chi]

omg i want the sedan !!

[van]

It's not as nice as the hatch, but I don't mind it. It's a good looking car, overall. The headlights and kinda bad, and the tail lights are really bad, but overall the rest of it is nice looking. I'd be pretty happy to drive it.

[milkman]

Sedan FTW!

[4agte]

i like the hatch 3 doors > 5 doors

[scathing]

They're devaluing the Type-R badge by shuffling these half-arsed cars out.

Before you know it, Type-R's will be looked upon in the same light as Sportivos.

[Justin Fox]

I hate both of them but then again I am renowned for hating something then loving it later on lol.

[4agte]

if i have the cash in the next 12 months i think ill buy one aslong as i can freakin test drive one of those bad boys

[tuan0011]

Could someone correct me if I'm wrong, is the hatch made in UK and the sedan made in Japan?

I don't mind the looks of that hatch, possibly a nice replacement car. But that torsion-beam thing at the rear, apparently dodgy against independent suspension??

[Jing]

I hate both of them but then again I am renowned for hating something then loving it later on lol.

funny thats one of the biggest traits of a girl :oops: ;) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[4agte]

yeah but honestly you can make any type of susspension work well maybee not as good as independant/trailing arm/double wishbone but still work well

[chi]

Saw the rear of a daewoo lanos or what ever it is today, and was half asleep, thought it was the new civic type Rs.

lol

[scathing]

If the car's not RWD, do you really need IRS? Its not like you need all that extra roadholding with those tyres, considering their only job is to keep its arse from scraping the ground.

Powerdown over bumps out of corners isn't exactly going to be a problem with a torsion-beam rear. If the tail skips a bit on turn-in....it'll help cure the inherent understeer at least.

[josh2.5]

Oh god the sedans have grown so much on me over the last few weeks.

Why wont Mr Honda bring the sedans here!!!

[VTECMACHINE]

Type-R's will be looked upon in the same light as Sportivos.

Don't you dare EVER fucking say that!!!! Take that back NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! F**K YOU for even mentioning, or thinking about that. There's no ways a type R will ever be as crap as a sportivo :) hehehe...

nah I realllyyy realllyyyy LOVE the sedan!!!! The one we got here... hmmm... meh!

[Justin Fox]

funny thats one of the biggest traits of a girl :oops: ;) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

LOL Jing what's with all the low blows lately? Driving (and loving) a Micra is surely more like being a girl? :P :P :P oops!

[van]

Oh god the sedans have grown so much on me over the last few weeks.

Why wont Mr Honda bring the sedans here!!!

They are...

[josh2.5]

Wait what we are getting the Type R sedan? I thought we were only getting the Hatch!

Well this changes everything! Maybe I should hold off on buying this EM1!!!

[VTECMACHINE]

Noo no no... we not getting the Type R sedan! I wish tho!!!

[van]

I thought the hatch was for the European market and we were getting the sedan? I guess not.

[josh2.5]

Oh well dammit you had my hopes up there Van haha :p

[NeoNode]

Technically Van is correct, Honda did bring the Civic sedan here, just not the CTR sedan :P

[van]

Hahaha. Well anyway yeah, I just read up on it, and it's definitely the hatch we're getting. But everyone else knew that already!

[Frogger]

Not going to buy either one but sedan looks better. And JDM haha.

Eh... we Aussies always get watered down versions... no surprise there then.

[black200]

danm why all the sportivo hate? haha

[VTECMACHINE]

hehehehehhe... VVTLI LMNOP... sucks!

[Jing]

LOL Jing what's with all the low blows lately? Driving (and loving) a Micra is surely more like being a girl? :P :P :P oops!

its all ok. We are all girls :twisted:

[4agte]

hatchback > sedan :D

wait ive allready said that lol

would the reason we are only getting the hatch is that europe only gets the hatch and we generally get eurospec cars so that manufacturers dont have to have them re-tested for aussie standards ala mitsu evo

[van]

Mmm I dunno about that. Europe's MkIV Golf GTI was pretty mad, but the US and Aus delivered models were fairly weaksauce in comparison.

[NeoNode]

Well, considering the sedan Civic is being sold in Australia atm, I can't see what other major testing is needed for Honda to bring in a CTR from Japan.

It's probably another case of Honda Australia making the wrong choice.

[4agte]

well the jap spec evos needed to be re tested to meet aussie standards hence why we got the euro spec which meets aus standards and the normal lancer is available in australia

i would assume the ctr would have different bumpers engine (emissions) seats possbily different steering wheel etc etc etc than the standard run of the mill civic

i think they need to re crash test it is the problem

[NeoNode]

Perhaps that might have something to do with the normal lancers looking slightly different to Evo's, so in order to pass they need to be reassessed?
I dunno just guessing here.

[scathing]

LOL Jing what's with all the low blows lately? Driving (and loving) a Micra is surely more like being a girl? :P :P :P oops!

Maybe its because you've got a Jazz, and he's got Honda envy :P

[Jing]

http://www.mugen-power.com/street/CIVICTYPE-R/wallpaper/image/wp2-1024.jpg
http://www.mugen-power.com/street/CIVICTYPE-R/wallpaper/image/wp4-1024.jpg

[narada]

this civic is really growing on me hahhaha

i still dont like the rear light cluster, although the LEDs of the mugen do improve it a bit hahaha

the "T" bar in the front grill though isnt to my tastes...

[s_vtec]

looks like a loaf of bread on wheels lol well it looks good

[JDMuscle]

Sedan s@#ts all over the hatch in looks IMO..:rolleyes:

[VTECMACHINE]

How cool it has a VTEC light. Just in case you didn't know when you hit VTEC. But yea... now you can see when u hit VTEC not just feel it.

[4agte]

it probably has i-vtec so you need the light to know your on v-tech :)

[van]

How cool it has a VTEC light. Just in case you didn't know when you hit VTEC. But yea... now you can see when u hit VTEC not just feel it.

Hahah, that's like the Galant VR4. It's got 3 bars of light in the dash to let you know how hardcore the Active Yaw Control is working. Pretty sure I'd be too busy steering the thing to notice the bars of light!

[VTECMACHINE]

hehehehe was funny... Dunno if you've seen the video where jenson Button drives it. He looked quite bored tbh. But he was quite stunned when the VTAK light came on. lol.

[van]

This vid?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOmZvlfsmbs

Or this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P94LhsrvFg

[Justin Fox]

What is it with dynamic images of Honda front wheel drives "drifting"? I've seen it so many times and continue to see it but it never sits right with me.

[van]

They're not drifting, they're entering an uncontrolled slide ;)

[VTECMACHINE]

power slide yO!

[4agte]

v-tec slide yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[van]

Video of the sedan Civic Type R

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/7b781153-0397-451c-b161-9900003c5d11.htm

[scathing]

What is it with dynamic images of Honda front wheel drives "drifting"? I've seen it so many times and continue to see it but it never sits right with me.

Its because Honda FWD drivers tend to strip the rear out of the cars (since you can't get any meaningful power out of the engines) and so the tail gets too squirrelly with the lack of weight.

Its not a drift - its the "before" shot for an accident report.

[SPL_K]

VTEC O...O...O...O!

arg makes me want a CTR now :(

[van]

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/03/30/yes-already-mugen-does-up-the-new-jdm-civic-type-r/
http://www.nihoncar.com/en/news_details.php?id=468 (this one has the pics)


Way back yesterday, we brought you the official information about Honda's new JDM Civic Type-R. Not a day later and Mugen, the motorsports arm founded by Hirotoshi Honda, son of Honda Motor Company found Soichiro Honda, has released 16 different performance parts, from aero kits to upgraded brakes.

On the outside, a Mugen modified CTR will come equipped with a vented hood, redesigned grill, front spoiler, rear diffuser and trunk mounted wing. Under the hood, tuners can nix the stock intake box with a new high flow unit, along with a less restrictive air filter and sports exhaust.

Two brake pad compounds are available, as are new rotors, "Micromesh" brake lines, a sports suspension (no details yet) and 18x7.5-inch aluminum wheels.

We'd expect more information to come out soon, but in the meantime, head on over to Nihon Car and Bike to check out all the new bits installed on Honda's newest hotness.

[Source: Nihon Car and Bike]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o128/localmike/Honda_Civic_Type_R_Mugen_001.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o128/localmike/Honda_Civic_Type_R_Mugen_004.jpg

[danielb]

Prefer the hatch a LOT more than the sedan. However, on that streetfire vid you posted van, i must admit the sedan did look pretty good hooning around the track.

[van]

Yeah. If we could have the hatch with the performance of the sedan, that'd be sweet!

[Dori*mon]

well heres the JDM Civic Type R, sorry if its been posted allready.


Engine
Type: Inline-4
Displacement cu in (cc): 122 (1998)
Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 225(165) / 8000
Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: 159(215) / 6100
Redline at RPM: n.a.
Brakes & Tires
Brakes F/R: ABS, vented disc/disc
Tires F-R: 225/40 R18
Driveline: Front Wheel Drive


http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/11/typerjdm07_01.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/11/typerjdm07_03.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/11/typerjdm07_08.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/11/typerjdm07_int.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/11/typerjdm07_int2.jpg

[scathing]

Redline at RPM: n.a.

The redline figure is Not Applicable? Does that mean its got no redline and can rev forever, or this engine doesn't actually generate revolutions and uses some other kind of motive action?


Either way, its just won more points for awesome in my books.

[van]

Depending on where he got the info, it might mean Not Available - i.e. the article is from a source external to Honda and that particular bit of info wasn't included in whatever info they received.

[Mike.V?!]

I heard the new head incorporates flux capacitor technology. Time isn't measurable when you're outside of the time-space continuum. Seconds and minutes don't exist so you can't measure RPM. Press material for the engine specs has been updated, however:


Redline at RPM: 88 MILES AN HOUR

[vtec-NA.th]

The Honda Dealer at Homebush kept pushing me to order a type r hatch when I was looking to buy a new car.

I really don't like the back of the hatch ><" that jdm one is hott tho! :D

[josh2.5]

This might change some opinions on the new Type R hatchback...

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/208207/civic_cossie_blasts_off.html

Civic 'Cossie' blasts off
If you thought the Civic Type R couldn't get any better, think again. Honda's firebreathing Type R-R has arrived - and we've driven it
By Paul Bailey

18th April 2007
Honda Civic Type R


Considering how much extra power is going through the front wheels, traction is remarkable
Few cars have been as eagerly anticipated or made as big an impact as Honda's Civic Type R. The British-built sensation saw off all-comers in a first test against key rivals in Issue 946, and established itself as Auto Express's favourite hot hatch in the process.

Now there's worse news for the opposition. The Japanese firm has created the Type R-R, an even more focused version of the class winner, and a spiritual successor to Ford's Escort Cosworth - and it looks set to kick the Focus ST into touch! We were first to put it to the test.

Its basis is a standard Type R, but a series of modifications swell engine power and reduce kerbweight.

Honda has stripped out the cabin, removing anything that isn't absolutely necessary in the name of shedding the pounds. Gone is the stereo, and for the moment sound deadening is absent, too. The standard seats have now been replaced with figure-hugging racing items, and what these lack in adjustability they make up for by giving a sportier, lower driving position than in the regular car. The racy feeling from behind the wheel is suitably amplified when you press the dash-mounted starter.

As the engine bursts into life, it sounds far more raucous than that of the standard model. Bosses were adamant the original Type R didn't need buckets of power, yet engineers clearly couldn't help themselves when it came to specifying the R-R's motor.

Thanks to careful tuning, this car kicks out a tyre-burning 260bhp. It's the same basic i-VTEC 2.0-litre unit, but Honda has reduced friction on the internals and redesigned the camshafts. However, the greatest power gains have come from electronic improvements made using the ECU to operate the VTEC system.

Now, the engine doesn't go into fuel-sipping mode at lower revs, improving throttle response as a result. Meanwhile, the VTEC set-up cuts in at 5,100rpm instead of 5,400rpm. So rather than the perceptible increase in power you get when VTEC is unleashed on the standard model, the R-R's engine feels stronger throughout the rev range thanks to a 30 per cent hike in torque. Combining a compliant ride with taut handling is one of the standard hot Civic's greatest attributes. And although this car's suspension has been revised to give it more focused handling, it still rides bumps surprisingly well.

Probably the biggest change is to the steering. It has been made even more responsive, so the smallest input to the Alcantara-clad wheel has an immediate impact on the vehicle's position on the road. However, you do have to put your faith in the system because it's lacking in feedback, particularly at low speeds. Still, the car's handling remains nimble and sure-footed.

Another area that doesn't fall short on the standard model is the gear-change. Yet while the original is a manual, this car gets a six-speed sequential unit. You use the clutch to start off, and then simply pull the lever back to shift up and push it forwards to go down through the box.

Changes are made in only 80 milliseconds, which gives a brutal edge to the Type R-R, particularly as the steering wheel writhes with every upshift. Considering how much extra power is going through the front wheels, traction is remarkable. You'd expect to spend a lot of time sitting in a cloud of expensive tyre smoke, but engineers have been careful to tune the suspension so that does not happen. Instead, the car gets on with the job of entertaining its driver with even more purpose than the standard car.

Our drive has left us in no doubt that Honda's Civic is the undisputed hot hatch champion. With more power, it just gets better!

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_434/car_photo_217024_5.jpg
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_434/car_photo_217023_5.jpg
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_434/car_photo_217022_5.jpg
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_434/car_photo_217021_5.jpg

[4agte]

thats awesome altho i think the first thing to go would be the roof scoop

[Jing]

its a racing prototype. if they build a RR it will be different, Certainly no sequential racing gearbox

[chuingbeans]

Reminds me a bit of that new Alfa hatch.

[lovesil]

And i bet they will put another $20K on top of the already expensive CTR for that RR.

Seriously, i can never understand why a manufacturer can cost people more money when there's less thing in it??

[[[d a n n y]]]

not a fan of the hatch looks shit i recon

[ntensity]

Agreed...it looks like a cross between a Ford Focus or and a Pug 206! lol

Although I dont mind the 4 door I still prefer the DC5s look.

[scathing]

JDM Mugen Civic RR (http://www.350z-tech.com/forums/240hp-Mugen-Honda-Civic-t30023.html)


It was rumored yesterday, and it's real today. Come September 13, Japanese enthusiasts will be able to order up the hottest Civic Type R yet. The already-impressive R gets the full once-over from Mugen, and the result is the Honda Civic Mugen RR. Designed to be perhaps the ultimate front-engined/front-wheel-drive performance car, the Mugen RR sheds an additional 10kg (22 lbs) off the standard Civic Type R's weight, coming in at 2733 lbs. In addition to the weight loss, the freer-breathing Mugen RR picks up 15 horsepower over the regular Type R. It's rated at 240 horses at 8,000 rpm and 160 lb-ft at 7,000 rpm.

Complementing the added power and and decreased weight are a new bodykit, upgraded brakes all around, a retuned suspension, new wheels and tires, and logo-emblazoned Recaro sport buckets. Availability is limited to 300 cars, all in the Milan Red finish shown, and the pricing in Japan has been set at &#165;4,777,500 ($38,750 USD).

Mugen's official website has a video of the car lapping Japan's Tsukuba circuit in 1:06:68, which is worth a look if you're interested in seeing it in action.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/06/img4_20070628_17482974_5_l.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/06/img4_20070628_17482974_1_l.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/06/img4_20070628_17482974_2_l.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/06/img4_20070628_17482974_3_l.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/06/img4_20070628_17482974_4_l.jpg

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

JDM Mugen Civic RR (http://www.350z-tech.com/forums/240hp-Mugen-Honda-Civic-t30023.html)


now that is niice...

ive been disappointed with most of the new civic's lately but this has impressed me...

im just hoping they dont botch up the new crx :twisted:

[scathing]

Its basis is a standard Type R, but a series of modifications swell engine power and reduce kerbweight.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_434/car_photo_217023_5.jpg

Is that God awful, afterthough, probably faux, roof scoop a part of the "kerbweight reduction"?


Even though the UK one has more power, I'd still take the JDM RR over it.

[Jazzle]

i heard honda has been considering to participate in rally, if from the look of that type rr :rolleyes: :rolleyes: , it actually makes sense to have a roof scoop on it

[NO10VE]

How heavy is the oz ctr compared to the jdm ctr?

[tez]

How heavy is the oz ctr compared to the jdm ctr?
Honda australia says 1345kg for the hatch type r. Not sure about the jdm one.

[scathing]

i heard honda has been considering to participate in rally, if from the look of that type rr :rolleyes: :rolleyes: , it actually makes sense to have a roof scoop on it

If they participate in a rally, and if that hood scoop actually works, then yes it would make sense to have it.

But if its anything like NSX-R GT (http://www.supercars.net/cars/3148.html), then its just a ricey component made to look like a working item on the race car is mirroring.

At least the Impreza STi etc etc spec C's roof scoop is actually functional.

[llama_au]

Spotted one of the Type R hatches driving around today. I can't warm to the rear end of them, looks like a dog squatting with it's arsehole pointing upwards.

[van]

I just watched the July issue of Best Motoring Japan. They check out the new Japan-only Civic Type R sedan. Tsuchiya was in love the car, comparing the driving feel to a race car. More importantly, the car's best lap time at Suzuka Circuit of 2:35.20 is faster than a number of former Japanese performance machines such as the BNR34, NSX S Type Zero, Evo VI etc. Awfully impressive, plus the idea of a Type R sedan is awesome. I can't wait to see these things in action next year, and to see whether or not Japan's tuners will be able to improve on this "factory race car".

http://www.auto-otaku.com/home/2007/06/new-civic-type-.html

[chuingbeans]

JDM Mugen Civic RR (http://www.350z-tech.com/forums/240hp-Mugen-Honda-Civic-t30023.html)

Very nice~! [/borat]

I'd much prefer we get the Sedan Type R then the Hatch. I'd say Honda will probably sell more of the sedan...but that just my opinion.

[lionhart87]

MUGEN RR IS SO DAMN F*^KIN HOT!!!
I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

[Jay]

yeah seen mugen rr on the mugen website damn so niceeee....

[NO10VE]

Speaking of the Mugen CTR R, check out its timeattack at tsukuba,

http://www.mugen-power.com/street/RR/

sorry if its a repost.

[Cappuccino]

NO10VE awesome clip... sounds awesome and pulls a nice respectable time as well. I want one!!!

[VTi_b0i]

damn i want the CTR Sedan!!! is there anyway of getting one?

[rupewrecht]

Just not a fan of the sedan. It looks like a stillborn Odyssey mated with a shovel.

The TypeR does look...'better', though

[NO10VE]

damn i want the CTR Sedan!!! is there anyway of getting one?

unfortunately no.

[IcemaN]

damn i want the CTR Sedan!!! is there anyway of getting one?

there is a way to get it here ofcourse, road registering it is another thing.

[IcemaN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3bPlvEgM2I&NR=1
a nice clip i found. no translation tho:(
rev happy k20 to over 9k AHHHH!!!!!!

[NO10VE]

damn f20c and k20a hybrid engine, sounds sweet too.

[Jay]

wen i was in japan in april i saw few ads for new CRT sedan... damn so niceeee.... i wanted to visit honda dealer while i was der so i can check it out but they r so hard to find. so many toyota & subaru dealers tho hehehehe :)

[Frogger]

And to think we finally got the 'hot' Civic into Australia...

[MaxZmus]

Speaking of the Mugen CTR R, check out its timeattack at tsukuba,

http://www.mugen-power.com/street/RR/

sorry if its a repost.

HOLLY FARK!

that shet looked TIGHT!!!

WTF is honda doing!!!

[Otaku]

"According to Carview, the Honda Civic Mugen RR, which is limited to a 300 production run, sold out in 10 minutes. The car went on sale September 14 at 9:00 am local time in Japan and by 9:10 all 300 reservations were placed.

Pricing for the Honda Civic Mugen RR was set at &#165;4,777,500 ($38,750). Deliveries of the car begin in January of 2008."

[Andy Wana]

For 4.7 million yen (AUD 48,373.10 at today's rate), there are MANY other great cars (JDM and non-JDM) that are probably better.
And it will be heaps more than AUD 48,373,10 should it ever hit our shores.

[kula]

just making sure you arent confusing the regular japanese typeR and the mugen version.. the mugen RR is like an sti of an sti. almost like a Ztune GTR.

48k isnt too bad

and if the jap spec R comes here i rekcon it would be 5-8k max more than the UK one..

[Quacker]

http://asia.vtec.net/Reviews/8GCivicRLaunch/index.html

have a read of this
imagine if this could happen here in AU

[scathing]

Top Gear has a short article on the Mugen Civic Type RR Experimental Spec:

http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/2547/

http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/2547/images/1/large.jpg

[minix3]

the type RR is absolutley hideous. however i don't mind the 2.2L k20 or the I-TCMS or the brembo brakes. but i would still never buy one.

http://www.nihoncar.com/en/news_pics/700/gallery/Mugen_Type_RR_Exeperimental_Sp_002.jpg

http://ucarmagazine.com/mugen-honda-civic-type-rr-experimental-spec/
http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/2547/

[eug4emi]

chicks like round bubbly cars only :D

[Cazal 856]

the type RR is absolutley hideous. however i don't mind the 2.2L k20 or the I-TCMS or the brembo brakes. but i would still never buy one.

http://www.nihoncar.com/en/news_pics/700/gallery/Mugen_Type_RR_Exeperimental_Sp_002.jpg

http://ucarmagazine.com/mugen-honda-civic-type-rr-experimental-spec/
http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/2547/

Do they sell them in auto?

[llama_au]

chicks like round bubbly cars only :D

Really?

[m0nty]

the type RR is absolutley hideous. however i don't mind the 2.2L k20 or the I-TCMS or the brembo brakes. but i would still never buy one.

http://www.nihoncar.com/en/news_pics/700/gallery/Mugen_Type_RR_Exeperimental_Sp_002.jpg

http://ucarmagazine.com/mugen-honda-civic-type-rr-experimental-spec/
http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/2547/

Carbon front end, Brembo 6 pots, RE55s, Time Attacks????

It's drool material if you ask me. Alot of shots I've seen from Tokyo AS seem to feature alot of unpainted carbon panels. I like it.

[scathing]

I am curious as to why the guard extension is painted.

[minix3]

Carbon front end, Brembo 6 pots, RE55s, Time Attacks????

It's drool material if you ask me. Alot of shots I've seen from Tokyo AS seem to feature alot of unpainted carbon panels. I like it.

they are "exclusive mugen wheels". carbon front end with aluminum bonnet as well as car roof, centre console, door panels and Recaro bucket seats all containing carbon-fibre.

http://www.nihoncar.com/en/news_pics/700/gallery/Mugen_Type_RR_Exeperimental_Sp_013.jpg

[m0nty]

I am curious as to why the guard extension is painted.

Would look a little better if it continued along the front lip. Kind of like a border.

[llama_au]

I am curious why minix3 and Scathing always happen to post at the same time?

[Brian_J]

happened with minix3 and kaotik, so why not scathing

[llama_au]

Yes, but it almost sounds like one person posting on two accounts now. Not two completely different people :P

[chuingbeans]

Perhaps they have access to each other's accounts?

Back on topic. The unpainted carbon fibre doesn't really work well I think. Like Scathing, I'm curious as to why they only painted the guard extensions, just doesn't seem quite right.

[Shiri]

her posts suddenly became a lot more technical too... you are the company you keep i suppose

Anyway Top Gear paid out the New Type R in a recent review, saying it's nothing like the model before and they would prefer to own the older one.

[minix3]

it is more coincidence really. we don't purposely try to post at the same time.

they left it unpainted to emphasize its "light-weight nature".
it also has a titanium exhaust to reduce another 7.6kg.

[llama_au]

her posts suddenly became a lot more technical too... you are the company you keep i suppose

That's exactly what I was getting at, just seeing if anyone picked up on it. Certainly not a bad thing.

Continuing with the thread - that carbon creation looks pretty ugly. Paint the front end and it'd be functional and better looking.

[minix3]

That's exactly what I was getting at, just seeing if anyone picked up on it. Certainly not a bad thing.

Continuing with the thread - that carbon creation looks pretty ugly. Paint the front end and it'd be functional and better looking.

i have been reading alot more these days since hsc has ended.
i think if the car is painted it will be a pretty decent looking car. with the engine and the electronics i think the car will be good but still not all that great.

[m0nty]

That's exactly what I was getting at, just seeing if anyone picked up on it. Certainly not a bad thing.



Dating Alan would do that to you though. Imagine dinner table discussion about weight transference and distribution of different drive types. :P

I welcome minix3's new posting habits. The more informed viewpoints here, the better.

[llama_au]

I was going to say, it's a Civic sedan, it'll never look pretty. But then I didn't want to upset the Honda owners on here. Civics aren't meant to be pretty, but that's just making something that looks mediocre look worse.

[llama_au]

Dating Alan would do that to you though. Imagine dinner table discussion about weight transference and distribution of different drive types. :P

I welcome minix3's new posting habits. The more informed viewpoints here, the better.

Do I have to imagine that? My discussions with my other half would be just as nauseating to someone who wasn't into cars that listened to us :cool:

[minix3]

I was going to say, it's a Civic sedan, it'll never look pretty. But then I didn't want to upset the Honda owners on here. Civics aren't meant to be pretty, but that's just making something that looks mediocre look worse.

i imagine it to look better than the current FD's when it is painted; more 'mean' looking i guess. And it will at least have some sort of performance parts to back up the "sporty" appeal that honda tried to market.

[scathing]

Anyway Top Gear paid out the New Type R in a recent review, saying it's nothing like the model before and they would prefer to own the older one.

That was the British Type-R (the one we get here, unfortunately), not the JDM Type-R.

They weren't happier that it got heavier, softer, and a torsion beam rear end with no extra power. I think if they were to drive the JDM Type-R, with its stronger engine and better chassis, they'd love it.

[scathing]

Apparently it runs a sequential box, as well.


Another area that’s been improved is the gearbox set-up. The standard model’s manual ‘box has been replaced with a six-speed sequential unit, which shifts gears in a blistering 80 milliseconds. The car still retains a clutch but this is only used when launching from a standstill.

http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/honda/mugen-type-rr-experimental-spec-and-22l-k20a-engine/#more-4420

[minix3]

they put in a LSD as well.

[m0nty]

they put in a LSD as well.

FD2R already had an LSD, just like DC5. The FN2 is the CTR without an LSD.

[eug4emi]

dunno why they didnt give me the lsd :(

[eug4emi]

That experimental carbon RR is being tested again, hot fucken...

http://i1.hk/u/attachmentslocal/day_081210/20081210_df5ff0c95b30401720c2K0NNUKEPxJJr.jpg

http://i1.hk/u/attachmentslocal/day_081210/20081210_12e6028a429b51de7e7713DW5dmARmxF.jpg

http://i1.hk/u/attachmentslocal/day_081210/20081210_6901001863305846fe05bGnrkNEWzCn7.jpg

[dopey]

that rear bumper and exhaust setup looks awful!

[RobSSS]

The front isn't that great either, especially with the Porsche LED copies. :(

[Yo-Yo]

that rear bumper and exhaust setup looks awful!

a perfect compliment to the awful taillights

not a fan of the chrome lined bonnet vents, looks very random with all the black and carbon going on
I am so going to powdercoat my stockies black now though, looks tough

[Taz_]

Looking very fast and furious with that front bar...just looks ricer to me.

I appreciate it's light weight and has some awesome development, but that front bar needs to die a quick death and be replaced with something that actually works with the lines of the car.

[van]

I'd like the Civic more if the side mirrors didn't come up off the doors like retarded Shrek ears. Mirrors should always come from the corner of the window. ALWAYS.

[m0nty]

The FN2 goes on sale in Japan next year. That was why we saw Mugen treatment last month and Honda Japan releasing pictures of it with the FD2 wheels and Championship White. In Japan it will come with an LSD also and there's talk of an IRS revision. The FD will remain but only in Type R from what I've heard. The FH??? coupe looks quite nice. I'd like to see it as a DC5 replacement.

[VTECMACHINE]

Alot of you guys are quite funny.

Here we are talking about the Mugen RR, and you guys talk about front and rear bars and paint. How come all the Honda haters are posting in here anyways.

On another note, I find the bonnet on a Z-Tune GTR is rather quite fugly.

[Andy Wana]

On another note, I find the bonnet on a Z-Tune GTR is rather quite fugly.

I don't disagree there.

[eug4emi]

The FN2 goes on sale in Japan next year. That was why we saw Mugen treatment last month and Honda Japan releasing pictures of it with the FD2 wheels and Championship White. In Japan it will come with an LSD also and there's talk of an IRS revision. The FD will remain but only in Type R from what I've heard. The FH??? coupe looks quite nice. I'd like to see it as a DC5 replacement.

Finally :)

[m0nty]

Finally :)

http://a816.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/63/l_c10e2a0c10eeb27c45091a77dcba7b27.jpg

If they make this in a Type R with the LSD and IRS I WILL buy it. I've wanted a replacement road car for my DC5 and I quite like the look of it.

[eug4emi]

Just finish your car ffs...lol

[VTECMACHINE]

I know... Sam is a soft cock. haha.

[Mr Happ]

MOTOR is saying that OZ will be getting the FN2 in Championship White and LSD this year.....also has the FD2 white wheels on it too (as per Montys post on Japan release) Will be a new model at a premium to the regular type R......i wonder how much $$ more.

[jeffske]

who would pay more for a FN2R...so many better cars out there for the money
Honda needs to take a look at their market and think about the prices they charge (which are already a premium over their domestic prices)

they are basically charging extra for things that should have come standard
shame shame shame

[Sp33dY]

who would pay more for a FN2R...
Rich international students :D

[Mr Happ]

who would pay more for a FN2R...so many better cars out there for the money
Honda needs to take a look at their market and think about the prices they charge (which are already a premium over their domestic prices)

they are basically charging extra for things that should have come standard
shame shame shame

this is all true.....but to answer your question, honda fan bois.

[jeffske]

Rich international students :D

obviously not that rich

[m0nty]

Word from Murakami-san is that the FN2 has been indefinitely postponed for the JDM market. J's Racing were originally going to have an FN2 imported from Australia to get their hands on one early but due to the global financial meltdown they had heard the FN2 has no release planned for their market. There goes the tuning potential again.

[Mr Happ]

^ yeah i was just out for a drive got thinking about the FN2 situation, if it was released in Japan it might be a bit of Ok as there would be a good number of quality tuning parts released for it.........however there goes that theory.

[Vashcat]

Honda australia says 1345kg for the hatch type r. Not sure about the jdm one.

Man thats heavy for a hatch>?

[wasabi]

this is all true.....but to answer your question, honda fan bois.

just to let you know i'm a "honda fan boy" and i still wouldnt buy it.

[Mr Happ]

^ in that case they've really farked up.

[LiNkStA]

guys my mates got one of these and wants to do some mods. he wanted to do the cams exhaust and such but theres nothing out for them yet.

anyone in the know, have any idea of which exhaust size would be best, if we got one made up custom.

[R0yalT]

Man thats heavy for a hatch>?

Compared to honda's past type r line up, this has to be the heaviest, and no improvement in power what so ever :mad:

[DreadAngel]

They went backwards with the FN2R period...

Lets make our sporty lineup more comfortable, heavier, slower, handle worse, etc etc

I love my Hondas but fark man the FN2R was BS... Its heavier BUT it'll still do the same times the EP3R does lol

When you have no driver and using remote to control it maybe...

[jeffske]

it doesn't deserve the type R badge, type S at most

[Mr Happ]

Looks like LSD is now standard and Champ White a no cost option......however the white wheels are out.

http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/Honda.com.au/Home/Showroom/Civic+Type+R/

[S30Mike]

Mmm.. damn that Mugen RR sedan is nice.

[Philip Lee]

Looks like LSD is now standard and Champ White a no cost option......however the white wheels are out.

http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/Honda.com.au/Home/Showroom/Civic+Type+R/

well at least spraying the wheels are much cheaper than spraying the whole damn car....

it's a nice (altho small) step forward.

[Mr Happ]

^ yeah, LSD at no cost is a reasonable step forward.