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thetunersgroup
12-05-09, 07:51 PM
http://www.tunersgroup.com/images/gallery/gallery967.jpg

Without doubt some of the coolest racing technology I've ever seen :)

Article and more photos here ...

http://www.tunersgroup.com/TunerWire_Live/Turbonique.html

- Adam

anth
13-05-09, 09:31 AM
a couple of years ago this old guy at work brought me a print out of that thing, craziest shit ive ever heard of. i love old school mods, they just didnt care about personal safety, it was all about speed!

rupewrecht
13-05-09, 11:36 AM
I want the VW one :lol:

cazSW20
13-05-09, 12:14 PM
I love how safety in motorsport in those times was an afterthought.


Adam, is it true that formula one at one stage had certain entrants with cars powered by gas turbines/turbojet? (i bed most of you have seen photos of 60's era F1 cars with huge fan jets mounted alongside the driver)

boiled
13-05-09, 12:35 PM
http://8w.forix.com/fancar.html

boiled
13-05-09, 12:35 PM
http://8w.forix.com/fancar/2j-js.jpg
who knew jackie stewart drove this thing?.. i didnt!

Yen
13-05-09, 01:46 PM
NICE POST!

I did a bit of foraging but am still a bit confused about powertrain.
The rocket/jet engine does not rely on thrust propulsion, instead it turns gears to deliver power through the wheels?
And the system is stand alone, basically making the stock motor redundant?

thetunersgroup
14-05-09, 12:07 AM
a couple of years ago this old guy at work brought me a print out of that thing, craziest shit ive ever heard of.

This comment sums it up nicely ...

"Not only did people do crazy shit back then; actual U.S. Senators cheerfully pitched in to help them do crazy shit." :)

This comment had me laughing so much ...

"Recall Acme, that enigmatic mail order purveyor of catapults and jet skates to cartoon coyotes? Pikers, compared to Turbonique."


Adam, is it true that formula one at one stage had certain entrants with cars powered by gas turbines/turbojet? (i bed most of you have seen photos of 60's era F1 cars with huge fan jets mounted alongside the driver)

I'll ask around - I don't know of a gas turbine / turbojet F1 car. I have heard of a couple of jet powered carts (apart from the one in the article).

A few years ago there was also a home built go kart in Sydney which had what was rumoured to be a ZZR 1100 Kawasaki bike motor in it. It made occasional appearances in various industrial estates on the northern beaches in Sydney.


NICE POST!

I did a bit of foraging but am still a bit confused about powertrain.
The rocket/jet engine does not rely on thrust propulsion, instead it turns gears to deliver power through the wheels?
And the system is stand alone, basically making the stock motor redundant?

The Turbonique Auxiliary Power Supercharger is this one ...

http://www.tunersgroup.com/images/large/large963.jpg

It jammed air into the car's engine, but instead of that supercharger being driven by a belt from the car's crankshaft, the supercharger had it's own spark plug and was powered by a kind of dedicated engine of it's own which ran on liquid oxygen and a rocket fuel named Thermolene.

So basically it was a small engine driving a supercharger which fed compressed air / fuel mixture into the car's main engine. Then the car's main engine fed that power through the car's gearbox to the rear wheels - really interesting engineering.

The other option was the Turbonique Drag Axle. That's this one ...

http://www.tunersgroup.com/images/large/large967.jpg

I found an an article about the Turbonique Drag Axle that says it "was, in fact, a rocket engine providing direct drive to the rear axle. When not in use, the car would drive under conventional power through the front drive shaft. When the driver hit the "panic button," the rear mounted rocket would immediately engage and begin channeling One Thousand Three Hundred Thermolene-addled rocket horsepower to the rear skins."

Here is a photo of the Turbonique Drag Axle mounted to a car ...

http://www.tunersgroup.com/images/large/large966.jpg

- Adam

thetunersgroup
14-05-09, 12:23 AM
The other option was the Turbonique Drag Axle. That's this one ...

http://www.tunersgroup.com/images/large/large967.jpg

Here's a couple of photos of a car with one installed ...

http://img2.image.hotrod.com/f/10214238/0512_HRDP_01_z_028-29-WHERE.jpg

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/03/Turbonique-Rocket-Drag-Axle.jpg

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/03/medium_2368597815_4264eef35b_o.jpg

thetunersgroup
14-05-09, 12:32 AM
In terms of if the drag axle was purely thrust or if it put power through the rear wheels, the article at http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hrdp_0403_turbonique/buy_a_drag_axle.html reads ...


But as many users quickly discovered, there was too much power. Extreme tire spin (even on the best slicks of the day) made Drag Axle-equipped cars difficult to control. Full-quarter-mile smoke shows with impressive trap speeds, but mediocre elapsed times were the rule, not the exception.

So that sounds like it fed the power generated by the drag axle through the diff and to the tyres, rather than being purely a thrust motor.

geeang
14-05-09, 02:48 AM
"McClure, who later ran 5.95 at more than 240 mph in a rocket-powered go-kart, reportedly had less than $2,000 invested in his Turbonique-powered cart."

That would have been a sight to see, sub-6 second go-kart!

Person driving it would have to have HUGE balls though, completely open disregarding any type of safety :mrgreen:
I wouldn't want to be going 240mph sitting on a couple of coat-hangers with a rocket strapped to the back.

wilch
14-05-09, 06:21 AM
I love how safety in motorsport in those times was an afterthought.


Adam, is it true that formula one at one stage had certain entrants with cars powered by gas turbines/turbojet? (i bed most of you have seen photos of 60's era F1 cars with huge fan jets mounted alongside the driver)

Do you mean the old Brabham's?

They had huge fans used to increase downforce.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabham_BT46