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Justin Fox
31-07-09, 03:50 PM
The JDMST rules (http://forum.jdmstyletuning.com/announcement.php?f=14) have been updated and simplified.

Whilst some rules have been removed, one new rule is against "spamming".

Please re-read the rules. If you have any concerns or questions please feel free to comment.

Have a nice day.

Rkds
31-07-09, 04:08 PM
cool JF hope this help's keep the trash talk away from jdmst

Shiri
31-07-09, 07:20 PM
All for it! Welcome back Justin

IcemaN
02-08-09, 01:34 AM
cool JF hope this help's keep the trash talk away from jdmst

what, are you seriouse!

Rkds
02-08-09, 01:39 AM
what, are you seriouse!

yeh I guess jf is giving mods more power?
because alot of members questioned why certain people got banned

JaCe
02-08-09, 02:27 AM
Hmm good update IMO


3) Avatars/Signatures/Images - Keep them clean, nothing that would be Not Safe For Work (NSFW). Absolutely NO ANIMATED GIFS. Signature images to be no larger than 450px wide and 100px tall.

Very much appreciating this after the other day I had a lot of looks at work due to someone's avatar being two Asian girls in bikinis "bouncing around". That's my own fault for letting JDMST run in the background, Windows doing it's usual thing and randomly switching windows, and me not sitting at my desk.


4) No SMS/TXT style language - You are expected to make an effort with your spelling and grammar. Check your grammar and punctuation before posting and try to make sure that your posts are legible. Please realise that this is for the greater good of the entire JDMST forum. If everyone takes the time to communicate well there will be a whole lot less misunderstandings, which is a good thing.

I'm presuming that this doesn't totally eliminate use of well known short forms of words/phrases (e.g. "pls", "np", etc...) right?

Mike.V?!
02-08-09, 02:59 AM
I'm presuming that this doesn't totally eliminate use of well known short forms of words/phrases (e.g. "pls", "np", etc...) right?

Use your own judgement here. If you think the post makes you sound like a 16 year old maybe consider revising it.

cazSW20
02-08-09, 10:47 AM
Read and understood. *nods*

radism
02-08-09, 04:05 PM
can no concessions be made for spamming in one's own thread or those of other consenting members?

Babalouie
02-08-09, 04:11 PM
can no concessions be made for spamming in one's own thread or those of other consenting members?

That is ESPECIALLY not allowed.

The reason is that 2 mates might be having some light-hearting ribbing of each other's choice of car (ie the sort that might be fightin words if you weren't friends), but what it does is encourage others to do it for real.

Mike.V?!
02-08-09, 04:21 PM
That is ESPECIALLY not allowed.

The reason is that 2 mates might be having some light-hearting ribbing of each other's choice of car (ie the sort that might be fightin words if you weren't friends), but what it does is encourage others to do it for real.

Not only that, but it's not really in the spirit of the whole community thing. Those guys made 99% of their posts in their member's ride threads. They just come on to pat each other on the back and make private jokes.

radism
02-08-09, 04:35 PM
but can someone explain to me why thats such a criminal offence? i mean, this isn't school. if two mates are having a go at eachother for choosing two different types of cars in a light-hearted way, and two other guys who aren't mates catch onto it and decide to have a go at each other, what substantiates a course of action to cut out the fun between the two mates?
if one was to apply the same logic, heterosexual blokes should be outlawed from cracking homosexual jokes and attacks at eachother (good luck with that), the world would cease to know combat sports, the list could go on for days!

and mike, explain to me how coming on "to pat each other on the back and make private jokes" isn't in the spirit of the whole community thing? am i mistaken in my understanding that one of the purposes of this JDMST "community" is to bring people of a similar interest together to interact and socialise and share knowledge? sure there's alot of useless posting that goes on in particular threads, but at the same time its highly entertaining for alot of members on here (myself included), the topic of cars is still paramount and some of those members are quite knowledgeable.

bleh, i'm probably wasting my time with this. never mind me.

VTECMACHINE
02-08-09, 04:38 PM
Nice new rules. *clap clap*

Modified
02-08-09, 04:51 PM
im with radism. if they are obviously mates (which it was pretty obvious), then it its sweet.

that, and it was brilliantly funny.

EDIT: Half the posts in the For Sale thread are Spam, with people saying,

Nice Car, good luck with the sale!

http://thefuntimesguide.com/images/blogs/thumbs-up-matt.jpg

Shiri
02-08-09, 06:02 PM
Those posts should be outlawed IMO

but a lot should be outlawed according to me. lol

Babalouie
02-08-09, 06:34 PM
im with radism. if they are obviously mates (which it was pretty obvious), then it its sweet.

that, and it was brilliantly funny.
Well it may be funny to the ppl involved, but to the rest of us it's just 50,000 lines of:

"You Fuckin Gaylord!"
"Haha LOL"

:lol:

radism
02-08-09, 06:42 PM
Well it may be funny to the ppl involved, but to the rest of us it's just 50,000 lines of:

"You Fuckin Gaylord!"
"Haha LOL"

:lol:

who cares what the rest of everyone else thinks though?
don't read it or log into those threads if its that monotonous for you.
and if it's that harmless, why interfere with the fun that's being had?

felixR
02-08-09, 06:55 PM
who cares what the rest of everyone else thinks though?
don't read it or log into those threads if its that monotonous for you.
and if it's that harmless, why interfere with the fun that's being had?
well a convo like that could have easily been done over msn/gtalk/etc instead of in a build thread maybe?

Queenie
02-08-09, 06:59 PM
Its a forum. More people than just those in a clique can read what goes on in threads.

The fact is, if it is a build thread, people will be interested in reading it. How annoying is it to have to sift through 20000 posts of shit before you start to read what you opened the thread for?

The whole 'don't read it if its monotonous for you' attitude is getting really old.
People log on because they are intersted.
People log on to see what others have done with their cars.
People DONT log on to have to read the BS that you can say to your mates on MSN while trying to see what you've done to your ride - that's why we're here right? The common interest of cars? Keep the interest 'paramount' as you say and just deal with the new rules.

Use some common sense.

jeffske
02-08-09, 07:00 PM
well a convo like that could have easily been done over msn/gtalk/etc instead of in a build thread maybe?

+1
no one needs to read bs msn style conversations in a thread

Rkds
02-08-09, 07:17 PM
some other forums have a special lock that only you can post in your build thread?
maybe that would work for jdmst?
but then that would eliminate public feedback or questions...

Modified
02-08-09, 07:25 PM
The fact is, if it is a build thread, people will be interested in reading it. How annoying is it to have to sift through 20000 posts of shit before you start to read what you opened the thread for?

I agree. the 20000 posts in Foxs GTR thread of people going

'wow cleanest gtr evah!' and other such kiss arsing irritates the bejesus out of me.

so following the thought train that you are, lets set it up so only the person who started the build thread can post in it.

Andy Wana
02-08-09, 07:25 PM
Its a forum. More people than just those in a clique can read what goes on in threads.

The fact is, if it is a build thread, people will be interested in reading it. How annoying is it to have to sift through 20000 posts of shit before you start to read what you opened the thread for?

The whole 'don't read it if its monotonous for you' attitude is getting really old.
People log on because they are intersted.
People log on to see what others have done with their cars.
People DONT log on to have to read the BS that you can say to your mates on MSN while trying to see what you've done to your ride - that's why we're here right? The common interest of cars? Keep the interest 'paramount' as you say and just deal with the new rules.

Use some common sense.

Quoted again for JUSTICE.

radism
02-08-09, 07:30 PM
^ someone explain to me how that was a constructive post?

and Toby's right. how is what goes on in some build threads that's classified as 'spam' any different to those that Toby's mentioned?

but only allowing the thread owner to post in it eliminates the feedback and technical help element...

meh. i've said all that i can and that's needed.

felixR
02-08-09, 07:36 PM
isn't there a difference between feedback and msn convos?

Andy Wana
02-08-09, 07:37 PM
It's constructive because I agreed with her.
There's no need for me to re-word it, so I just quote it.

Dude, if you (or anyone else) are unhappy with the way JDMST is gonna be run from now onwards (i.e regarding spamming), the log out button is near top right hand corner.

Use it well.

radism
02-08-09, 07:52 PM
Thanks for that buddy. Next time you've got something else that's that informative and constructive, start a thread about it.

I'm just clarifying the term 'spamming' as its a very blurry line these days. If you or anyone else is unhappy with what I consider to be constructive discussion in this thread, feel free to practice what you preach (logout).

kre
02-08-09, 07:54 PM
Its a forum. More people than just those in a clique can read what goes on in threads.

The fact is, if it is a build thread, people will be interested in reading it. How annoying is it to have to sift through 20000 posts of shit before you start to read what you opened the thread for?

The whole 'don't read it if its monotonous for you' attitude is getting really old.
People log on because they are intersted.
People log on to see what others have done with their cars.
People DONT log on to have to read the BS that you can say to your mates on MSN while trying to see what you've done to your ride - that's why we're here right? The common interest of cars? Keep the interest 'paramount' as you say and just deal with the new rules.

Use some common sense.

while i generally agree with what is being said here, i wish the mods luck drawing a consistant line in the sand as to what does and doesn't break these rules. i've seen similar rules try to be enforced on other forums with very, very messy outcomes.

Andy Wana
02-08-09, 08:05 PM
feel free to practice what you preach (logout).

Will do buddy.

Pras
02-08-09, 08:06 PM
Guys Gals may I suggest a like and dislike button next to a post and a list of people next to it... if the fourm software allows it.

This eliminates for all that "spam" and still allows people to interact.

kre
02-08-09, 08:09 PM
Guys Gals may I suggest a like and dislike button next to a post and a list of people next to it... if the fourm software allows it.

This eliminates for all that "spam" and still allows people to interact.

opens up to the possibility of a group of people ganging up on others, seen that tried before too. doesn't work well for the 'community spirit'.

Gorilla
02-08-09, 09:40 PM
Radism, you are spamming this thread...i think it might be time for you to go too....

End of the day, the section is for your build/ride. I read the title:
"Brett Monster Jam S14 build. Post in this thread or you're nobody"

There was a build for the first few pages...after that 8 continuous pages of talking garbage...no build info, no build pics...so, I felt it was the right decision to close the thread, continue talking their spam in the dedicated spam thread, and if they really want a build thread create a new one without the spam. Heck I dont even know who owns the car!

shi shi bog
03-08-09, 12:03 AM
True with what mods and some are saying about the build threads, I log on to read how someone has modified their ride or read their experience with a mod, but then get rather disappointed when i see pages of rubbish. Some posts were just pictures of a piece of sh*t with something along the lines of "this car is sh*t" captioned below it, that's what i consider spam.

As others have mentioned too, convo's between 2 or three people could have been done elsewhere. General public don't want to read and view pictures about your car then read about how smashed you got on the weekend (i sure as heck don't).

My 2c

Mr Happ
03-08-09, 09:09 AM
Queenie summed it up nicely i think. In jokes and banter are best left on MSN.

Buddy
03-08-09, 09:11 AM
End of the day, the section is for your build/ride. I read the title:
"Brett Monster Jam S14 build. Post in this thread or you're nobody"
Heck I dont even know who owns the car!

Everyone knows who owns this car

Gorilla
03-08-09, 09:30 AM
Everyone knows who owns this car

Obviously I'm not everyone.

Queenie
03-08-09, 10:57 AM
Obviously I'm not everyone.

+1

Buddy
03-08-09, 11:58 AM
Reaper is from the Movie Superbad, Seth

JaCe
03-08-09, 02:08 PM
Maybe it should be upto the owner of the thread on Builds to post/specify whether he wants feedback/comments... for the most of us, there aren't going to be that many people who reply to Build threads and it's nice to hear others say stuff and feel free to ask questions about parts/experiences.

In a way I see the build thread as a way to communicate with the car's owner in an open environment.

EDIT/Suggestion: maybe it's time to introduce some kind of blog feature into the forums (i.e. posts with 'commenting')? I've seen other forums try and implement blogs but they haven't really had any real purpose hence why they usually fail, but for JDMST, I can see the car blog feature actually working for the Builds thread.

kre
03-08-09, 02:24 PM
^ that's a good idea, that way you can read the 'blog' part (ie. the build) and you don't have to read the comments if you don't want to - best of both worlds :)

The Panda
03-08-09, 05:30 PM
I agree. the 20000 posts in Foxs GTR thread of people going

'wow cleanest gtr evah!' and other such kiss arsing irritates the bejesus out of me.

so following the thought train that you are, lets set it up so only the person who started the build thread can post in it.

Yeh im sorry, there is no difference between

"Sweetest *make* ever" for 20 pages
and
"Your a gaylord" for 20 pages

And most of the spammorzored threads are hilarious even to outsiders. Lacking a sense of humour is not an excuse to alienate those who do.

scathing
03-08-09, 06:31 PM
People log on because they are intersted.
People log on to see what others have done with their cars.
People DONT log on to have to read the BS that you can say to your mates on MSN while trying to see what you've done to your ride - that's why we're here right? The common interest of cars? Keep the interest 'paramount' as you say and just deal with the new rules.

Cool. "Common interest in cars".

Does that mean we can ban all the threads asking for help with choosing mobile phones, cameras and other non-car stuff? That would cut down on the 8+ pages of new threads I get when I search every morning, and I'd stop missing thread topics I might be interested in among all the irrelevant clutter.

They can always go ask mobile phone questions on a mobile phone forum, and there's probably more photography forums than car forums on the Internet.

The Off Topic forum (i.e. the stuff not relevant to our "common interest in cars") has the most number of posts of any forum. Maybe we should just delete it, to keep the car focus paramount, since its presence is evidently diffusing the "car-ness" of this place.

rodent
03-08-09, 08:06 PM
The problem Alan is that the spammage is happening in the car-related sections of the forum. They're welcome to post garbage in the spam thread in the O/T forum, that's why it's there.

Take out the O/T forum and you'll be left with spam EVERYWHERE :(

felixR
03-08-09, 09:40 PM
Yeh im sorry, there is no difference between

"Sweetest *make* ever" for 20 pages
and
"Your a gaylord" for 20 pages

And most of the spammorzored threads are hilarious even to outsiders. Lacking a sense of humour is not an excuse to alienate those who do.
There's no difference between feedback and a msn convo? are you for real? :lol:

The Panda
03-08-09, 10:36 PM
There's no difference between feedback and a msn convo? are you for real? :lol:

Hahahaha! Fair point.
But i mean more on a reading point - to the creator of the thread there may be a difference, but to the reader, well, I find harmless wit far more interesting than shameless ass kissing, and i feel that anyone who likes the former more is unlikely to contribute anything meaningful ever.

Just me though.



Take out the O/T forum and you'll be left with spam EVERYWHERE :(

I think the problem being raised is that it is everywhere anyway?

Shiri
03-08-09, 11:18 PM
Everyone should agree that banter within a thread is acceptable, but the problem arises when people abuse that. Mods are well within the right to set black and white rules to avoid it all together.

Rkds
03-08-09, 11:32 PM
Justin fox updated the rules
he is god on jdmst
THE CREATOR
and thats it
end of story
no discussions needed

radism
03-08-09, 11:55 PM
It's mindlessness like that that allows rules to be created or bent to suit a certain group of people and their likings. Justin Fox created JDMST. JDMST is a community. This is the voice of the community discussing the governing of the community. Take your useless and incorrect post elsewhere.

I am still of the opinion that if a group of mates banter away in THEIR OWN build threads, in which no-one outside of that group of mates feels attacked, then it should just be left alone.
If people who log in actually want to see what's progressing of the build of the car, then they should have to sift through unrelated banter just like those that have to sift through useless "awesome car" and "needs more low/spray paint" and "this build really captures the essence of building a car even though what's being done is the complete opposite of building up a car, but still, it captures the essence of what building a car is all about. i love it. good luck with it." style posts. not to mention the "great car", "can vouch", "goes like the clappers" and "good luck with the sale" style posts in basically 100% of the for sale threads here.
can anyone see the underlying contradictions here?

Rotary_rockeT
04-08-09, 12:13 AM
Those who have a problem with this, voice your disapproval once. If it doesn't change, it's because not enough people have your view and well there are plenty of other forums that tolerate spam.

I joined JDMST (at the time 05) because it was full of members who can type properly and seemed mature. I'll refer to that as the 'it' factor. I felt there was a decline of 'it' over the years and i think the OWNER of this site feels the same and is just doing something about it. I'd have done the same. It's the mature thing to do.

p.s. Theres a site/app for everything.
*goes off to spam on msn*

Gorilla
04-08-09, 12:24 AM
Radism, no contradiction. On one hand you have appreciation, positive and negative feedback. On the other hand it's garbage, shit and spam. Usless posts that have nothing to do with the build. It's not the right area to discuss Things like "my ex is hassling me". WTF does that have to do with a build? Seriously man this is a community. Every post should be able to be clicked on by any member. What's the point in joining the forum if there are threads in a members ride section which is basically a spam/chat thread in the wrong section? If you have the arrogance to say " if you don't like the chat in the thread then don't click on it" then Use the spam thread or keep it to msn or create your own shit talk forum.

Rotary_rockeT
04-08-09, 12:30 AM
Agree with the big monkey. (see? a joke that isn't considered spam and is related to the thread. Take note.)



can anyone see the underlying contradictions here?

only people who have interest in buying something look up those threads (lets say 10-15% of members). I'm sure that a (much) higher percentage of people would be clicking on build threads compared to sale threads.

Anything is better than lolomgwtflmaobbq. You seem to type well, so maybe we just have different tolerances to gibberish and i'll leave it at that.

If Justin can keep this forum as clean as his cars, then i'm all for it.

lukecivic
04-08-09, 12:40 AM
If Justin can keep this forum as clean as his cars, then i'm all for it.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2537/3771212238_74cf095698_o.jpg
we're all doomed!

OVTEC
04-08-09, 12:54 AM
things like "my ex is hassling me" could be used in certain context maybe, like someone asking for help and that person cant help because "my ex is hassling me"

BUT we dont see the full story since we arent a part of that group of friends who hang out outside the forums

and in regards to build threads being full of spam look at Vtecmachine's new car

im sure that thread isnt 100% true and the posts in there are of similar essences to that of the one that got locked but the majority of those who posted are of a different group of friends who happen to get a long with mods compared to the other thread where it just got locked up and people got banned



im not taking any sides here but this is just how i see the situation, ive remember reading mods post on this forum saying things like "this place isnt a democracy if you dont like it GTFO" "we make the rules whether you like it or not", it just the little things that i seem to notice that makes some mods sound like pricks

TONTON
04-08-09, 12:57 AM
+1 agree with OVTEC

Shiri
04-08-09, 01:51 AM
Well it isn't a democracy. None of us have voted in mods and none of us vote on new rules being implemented. At the end of the day the choice lies with the owner and the mods and exactly as you say OVTEC, whether you like it or not. We agreed to the rules when we signed up and those with the power reserve the right to change those rules with new ones that reflect the constantly changing community.

They aren't being pricks for just using that power to stop delusion of those values.

OVTEC
04-08-09, 02:12 AM
fair enough but why enforce the rules on one group of members only as i pointed out another thread with similar posts in it and nothing happened to those members?


PS. not picking a fight here just trying to clear things out

Shiri
04-08-09, 02:33 AM
Just reading that thread I can only justify it for the following reasons:

1: The thread is obviously made to take the piss in regards to a member that the majority of the community knows owns a DC2R rocking up to an EOMM in a different car.

2: The banned members one follows a different path in relation to a detailed build that became so filled with rubbish posts it was impossible to track the progress.

3: VTECMachine isn't building anything nor is he tracking his ownership of the car. Thread was made just to show the car.

4: The general consensus is that the contribution made by the banned members towards the community is minimal to none therefore constant flouting of the rules justified their ban.

I see where you are coming from, but I think the threads contrast too drastically to use as contradictions.

scathing
04-08-09, 07:23 AM
I just went through the EOMM pic thread (http://forum.jdmstyletuning.com/showthread.php?t=17925). Its 7 pages long, and most of the posts do not contain pictures.

The posts contain lots of back slapping about how good someone's cars look, which should apparently be in the build threads, plus various "hey it was nice to meet you" filler that could easily have been done over MSN.

If I want to look at pics of cars, the focus of the "Appearance/Gallery" subforum, of what interest is it to me that person A was glad to meet person B? It's almost as irrelevant as finding out that person B was also glad to meet person A.

Better go clean up and/or lock that thread.

radism
04-08-09, 10:21 AM
4: The general consensus is that the contribution made by the banned members towards the community is minimal to none therefore constant flouting of the rules justified their ban.

On behalf of one of these said members, I would like to ask Justin Fox to take down the picture of his car (red S14a) that he is shamelessly using in his blog. This member was banned for no reason whatsoever, and the picture is being used to promote the "JDMST Community" on another site when this member isn't a wanted member of the community. Weak. Either get in touch with the owner of this car and pay him duely for the use of pictures of his car, or take it down.

I imagine that the owner of a certain build thread with a certain car that countless members on this forum get there rocks off to will request the same.

I'm sorry but no-one can convince me and other members of this fact: a successful and thriving community can and will only be run by an 'elite' group of moderators with certain likings and tendencies. If you want members from a variety of facets in the car modification world, you're going to have to deal with the different ways of enjoying and interacting. This isn't a democray, it's clearly a dictatorship.

Someone please respond to OVTEC's very valid point about VTECMACHINE's 'build thread' in the member's ride area. Why is it there and why isn't there a new whole handful of banned members? contradictions contradictions contradictions...

And based on the above posts (thanks OVTEC for helping to clarify this), do you see the underlying contradictions I mentioned Gorilla and other mods? In your response, you didn't even address the contradictions I mentioned in my post Gorilla.


only people who have interest in buying something look up those threads (lets say 10-15% of members). I'm sure that a (much) higher percentage of people would be clicking on build threads compared to sale threads.
Are you deluded?

Bronald McDonald
04-08-09, 10:25 AM
On behalf of one of these said members, I would like to ask Justin Fox to take down the picture of his car (red S14a) that he is shamelessly using in his blog. This member was banned for no reason whatsoever, and the picture is being used to promote the "JDMST Community" on another site when this member isn't a wanted member of the community. Weak.
I imagine that the owner of a certain build thread with a certain car that countless members on this forum get there rocks off to will request the same.


I never knew that, weak indeed.

Using a banned members car to promote the site? lol.

Also, +1 with Steven (OVTEC)

Gorilla
04-08-09, 11:34 AM
Radism,
'This member was banned for no reason whatsoever

How do you know this? You know why i banned him? I dont need to clarify that to you, but if Jays14 wants to know, its due to him creating a duplicate account, when his original "JustinS14" was permanantley banned.

As for VTECMACHINE's 'build thread, i saw it as a stock Civic, and I havent checked it since...

radism
04-08-09, 11:53 AM
Radism,
'This member was banned for no reason whatsoever

How do you know this? You know why i banned him? I dont need to clarify that to you, but if Jays14 wants to know, its due to him creating a duplicate account, when his original "JustinS14" was permanantley banned.

Thanks for clarifying Gorilla.

May I ask why did you ban him? Had he acted conversely to what is stipulated in the rules? Did he offend anyone? Did he cause any distress? No. Fair enough he was banned in the past. But that was years ago. No consideration was given to his banning this time round. You banned him now because you banned him before, and no consideration was given to his demeanour this time round. I don't know but that doesn't sound like a good display of governance.

And to top it off, the owner of the site goes and starts putting pics of his car on his own blog to promote his community.


As for VTECMACHINE's 'build thread, i saw it as a stock Civic, and I havent checked it since.

What is the relevance of this point. So because you haven't checked it, the spamming and useless posts, the similar of which other build threads have been closed and members banned, can continue? How about you practice some consistency and you go check that thread?

VTECMACHINE, if you read this, I'm not having a go at you what-so-ever so don't take any of this personally. I don't think anyone means this to be a personal attack. Just for clarification.

Pras
04-08-09, 11:54 AM
opens up to the possibility of a group of people ganging up on others, seen that tried before too. doesn't work well for the 'community spirit'.

How's that? I mean it's just a list of people who liked or disliked a post.

Anyhow everyone always wants to have their 2 cents on these kind of things so here's mine

The owners and moderators have a common understanding of what is acceptable behaviour on this website, they warn and ban people accordingly, with a locked thread explaining which posts led to the disciplinary action as perviously done end of story.

Unless you are a financial memeber or sponsor then this really shouldn't even be up for discussion. It's just a website, don't take it all too seriously. Obviously they know what they are doing around here...

Wanna show a few websites who have let things get out of hand and fallen over, PM me.

Andy Wana
04-08-09, 11:56 AM
This issue is becoming bigger than Ben Hur.
From this time forward, I think we just need to exercise common sense into our posts and threads a little bit more.

If you think it won't contribute to one's thread, just leave it out.
I am guilty of spam myself in the past, but I am all for a more positive JDMST in the near future.
I say a little OT comment (i.e. joke, praise) is OK from time to time, but if it blows out to a few pages, then it really needs some moderation.

scathing
04-08-09, 12:05 PM
How's that? I mean it's just a list of people who liked or disliked a post.

No, its a list of people who clicked on a button associated with something a specific user did.

If a group wants to gang up on someone they just sit there neg-repping the shit out of every post that person makes. The merit of the post's content is irrelevant if people have an axe to grind....and this is the Internet, after all.

The whole reason the "lets get rid of malcontents" thing came up in the first place was because some people were jumping down all these n00bz' throats. Whether it was deserved or not, it happened and it turned a lot of people away.

Then you get the random guys who smell blood in the water, and decide to get a few free kicks in as well since they know the pack won't turn on them for it.

Think about JOK3R's various threads looking for help with buying a 350Z. Now imagine all those people also having the option of like/disliking all of his posts.

At the same time you get packs just repping each other up so they've got bigger e-wangs.


It's just a website, don't take it all too seriously.

The problem is that people weren't taking the web site seriously, and so their threads got locked and their accounts got banned.

kre
04-08-09, 12:15 PM
How's that? I mean it's just a list of people who liked or disliked a post.

Anyhow everyone always wants to have their 2 cents on these kind of things so here's mine

The owners and moderators have a common understanding of what is acceptable behaviour on this website, they warn and ban people accordingly, with a locked thread explaining which posts led to the disciplinary action as perviously done end of story.

Unless you are a financial memeber or sponsor then this really shouldn't even be up for discussion. It's just a website, don't take it all too seriously. Obviously they know what they are doing around here...

Wanna show a few websites who have let things get out of hand and fallen over, PM me.


ok i guess i misunderstood what you meant at first. i've seen systems where if a certain amount of people 'dislike' a post, the post gets hidden (but users can still choose to have 'hidden' posts switched on regardless if they like).

radism
04-08-09, 12:19 PM
I like that idea. Following on from it, what about implementing/creating a system where the poster can elect to have their post classified as spam by selecting a radio button or something, and other users can choose to have spam hidden or shown when they log into a thread.
View the banter if that makes you happy, view the contstructive posts without banter if that makes you happy. And this system will provide mod's more of a grounds for disciplinning members for not considerately using this option.
Everyone will be happy.

Pras
04-08-09, 12:22 PM
No worries Kre

Andy Wana,
I'm guilty of spamming too, I think the posting stupid pictures may have been directed to me too. But if that's going to lead to escalating behaviour then I'll just refrain.

Scathing
When i first came to JDMST I got flamed for my dumb posts too, but I guess in a way I also respected that it was a community of people not as nooby as me.

Thanks for the replies guys, I'm gonna step outa this one thou. Just going to close with;

I like JDMST and think that overall it has been getting better, though there is a bit of crap here and there, nothing over the top for a site that is growing at such a rapid pace.

Gorilla
04-08-09, 12:33 PM
You banned him now because you banned him before
There is your answer. Do you think its normal for someone to get banned, and to just create another account? Seriously..think about it.



And to top it off, the owner of the site goes and starts putting pics of his car on his own blog to promote his community.
This can be discussed with the owner of the car and the owner of that blog.



What is the relevance of this point. So because you haven't checked it, the spamming and useless posts, the similar of which other build threads have been closed and members banned, can continue? How about you practice some consistency and you go check that thread?

The relevance is, I have a life outside JDMST, and so do the other mods & members. Do you really think I click on every single thread here? When eggbox created that thread with those pics, I saw them before any replies..and I really did think its vtechmachines new car. I saw it was a bog stock honda civic and havent been interested to open the thread again..(No offence to the original owner :P) So how about YOU start reporting that thread and any others you think is innapropriate, seeing as you have the time to go through every thread here. Like you dont get paid to be a member, I dont get paid for being a mod.