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satanic
26-02-10, 05:57 PM
Hi to the mods,

A few years back on SAU where I was once an executive member of the NSW club, I put forward a notion to clamp down on NSFW avatars... we all know the type of images I'm talking about and for those who don't, I'm referring to the pictures of tiny little girls who like pulling down their bras / panties.

Naturally there was a bit of a back-lash from the sexually deprived individuals of SAU who felt that the only way to instill an impression of sexual dominance in front of other members was to post up such photos. However, the majority of members did agree that most were not appropriate for work / family / females.

Recently on JDMST the decision was made to remove signatures; again not the most popular of choices but one with its merits... most if not all members have acted on this without question.

Also recently on JDMST, I think there's been an emergence of more and more avatars that are NSFW. Many of us enjoy JDMST at work, where there are in some cases pretty strict policies on such things (not just internet abuse, but sexual harassment).

I personally work within the HR department where the rest of the team is female, and if they weren't the cool type - words would probably have been said by now.

So a request to the moderators, can we start clamping down on this stuff before it gets out of hand? If people really feel the need to look at soft-porn, they can really just ask their girlfriend/sister/mum/porn site etc right?

satanic
26-02-10, 05:59 PM
example

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2374/leahdizon12.jpg

SUROK
26-02-10, 06:16 PM
Agreed.

Tropical G
26-02-10, 06:35 PM
I just had a flick through a few threads and I don't see that many avatars being NSFW at all.

m0nty
26-02-10, 06:42 PM
Agreed.

Disagreed... as usual.

When will this shit stop? I'm waiting for the day some femenist flannell wearing bitch complains to HR because she saw a billboard with a lingerie model on the drive to work. No offence, but if you think that image could be offensive then you need to start giving people at your work skin grafts.

I'm going to have to see more examples before thinking this case has any substance. The latest ASM has a model in short shorts and a skimpy top on the cover. Should they remove the models in case I leave the mag on my desk at work?

SUROK
26-02-10, 06:47 PM
case and point

person a is working at a highschool
person a is perusing jdmst forums. and a nsfw avatar is on the screen.
student A walks in and sees said NSFW avatar.
student a then goes and tells everyone in their class that person A was looking at porn. their teacher overhears and reports it to the principal.
person A is investigated, and probably loses their job.

now do you see why its an issue?



I'm going to have to see more examples before thinking this case has any substance.
lol

also monty, why is it you chose to quote me saying i agree and say that you disagree with me as usual instead of addressing Stan and saying you disagree with him?

SupraWei
26-02-10, 06:51 PM
example

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2374/leahdizon12.jpg

In all honesty, what is big deal here? that was my avatar, well fair enough if some of u dont liek it, ill change it but seriously, wats this gonna take us to? wats the offence?

satanic
26-02-10, 06:53 PM
Disagreed... as usual.

When will this shit stop? I'm waiting for the day some femenist flannell wearing bitch complains to HR because she saw a billboard with a lingerie model on the drive to work. No offence, but if you think that image could be offensive then you need to start giving people at your work skin grafts.

I'm going to have to see more examples before thinking this case has any substance. The latest ASM has a model in short shorts and a skimpy top on the cover. Should they remove the models in case I leave the mag on my desk at work?

You'd be surprised at how far reaching HR policies are and how easy it is for an employee to have a case against the company. A company can get into a lot of trouble for not taking each complaint seriously; financially and recently it seems, criminally.

And re comment on ASM magazine with models; the keyword is context... photos of a girl next to a car in a car magazine is going to be a no-brainer when deciding if anyone has done anything wrong. Having a photo of a girl doing nothing but half pulling off her bra is a different matter.


case and point

person a is working at a highschool
person a is perusing jdmst forums. and a nsfw avatar is on the screen.
student A walks in and sees said NSFW avatar.
student a then goes and tells everyone in their class that person A was looking at porn. their teacher overhears and reports it to the principal.
person A is investigated, and probably loses their job.

now do you see why its an issue?

Mitchee on here works for a school, and to my knowledge he's on JDMST on work computers so yes, a live example.

m0nty
26-02-10, 06:53 PM
case and point

person a is working at a highschool
person a is perusing jdmst forums. and a nsfw avatar is on the screen.
student A walks in and sees said NSFW avatar.
student a then goes and tells everyone in their class that person A was looking at porn. their teacher overhears and reports it to the principal.
person A is investigated, and probably loses their job.

now do you see why its an issue?


lol

I'm going to need something better than your silly hypothetical. There isn't a chance in hell a teacher would lose their job over avatar content on JDMST like the example above.

SupraWei
26-02-10, 06:54 PM
and i wana add another point here, ppl shouldnt be doin stuff on recreational forums while at work in the 1st place. this is for home use and at home, this isnt anywhere near "not safe" :S

SUROK
26-02-10, 06:56 PM
when and where you access this forum is your choice, dont restrict other peoples access and enjoyment of this forum just because you want soft porn as your picture.

somos
26-02-10, 06:56 PM
Sounds like a great idea. +1 to getting rid of NSFW avatars.

SUROK
26-02-10, 06:57 PM
I'm going to need something better than your silly hypothetical. There isn't a chance in hell a teacher would lose their job over avatar content on JDMST like the example above.
you obviously know nothing about "reportable conduct"

dopey
26-02-10, 06:59 PM
You know you can disable avatars in your User CP if you're that worried, right?

User CP > Edit Options (to the left) then scroll down and untick "Show Avatars". Save changes - done and done. If you're taking the risk of looking at forums at work then it should be up to you to manage the situation.

Be a man. Do the right fing.

m0nty
26-02-10, 06:59 PM
also monty, why is it you chose to quote me saying i agree and say that you disagree with me as usual instead of addressing Stan and saying you disagree with him?

Because it's the first time I've disagreed with Stan. I have never understood anything you have said here. That's just me. Your case with resulting dismissal is ridiculous. The book is wrong and if were going to solve a teacher shortage in Australia such preposterous systems need to be thrown out. Don't even get me started on corporal punishment and discipline in schools. That's the reason kids are so lacking in respect these days.

SupraWei
26-02-10, 07:01 PM
well i only use it at home so not my problem. i aint stopping no 1. who started this thread lol. when ur at work, u work, u dont do forums. and i think whoever gets in trouble is the fact they taking the time doin forums instead of working, it has NOTHING to do with wateva is on the screen. so now u answer me this, if u get caught for accessing youtube watching some top gear while at work, will you not get in trouble bcoz it has no sexual references?

UFO8MYCAT
26-02-10, 07:01 PM
Thats not bad, ive seen worse.

SupraWei
26-02-10, 07:02 PM
You know you can disable avatars in your User CP if you're that worried, right?

User CP > Edit Options (to the left) then scroll down and untick "Show Avatars". Save changes - done and done. If you're taking the risk of looking at forums at work then it should be up to you to manage the situation.

Be a man. Do the right fing.

totally agreed

m0nty
26-02-10, 07:03 PM
you obviously know nothing about "reportable conduct"

You wanna know the other reason? Because you always condescend to people.

That image on a car forum would never end in dismissal in a world where common sense prevails. Sadly, that world is destined to be extinct in a few short years the way were headed.

Why don't people just disable avatars? What about animated gifs of cars drifting? Is that NSFW? It condones hooning on that logic.

Iain
26-02-10, 07:05 PM
and i wana add another point here, ppl shouldnt be doin stuff on recreational forums while at work in the 1st place. this is for home use and at home, this isnt anywhere near "not safe" :S

My thoughts exactly..


Surok wouldnt complain if the images were like ..

http://ne2ss.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/sexiest_gay_photo04.jpg

SUROK
26-02-10, 07:06 PM
different workplaces have different ethical standards.

mechanics garages sometimes have calenders featuring scantily clad girls. in that industry it seems this is acceptable.

in a government department, if someone has that same playboy calender on the wall. they would be very heavily reprimanded if not sacked.

if you cannot accept that people on jdmst work in a diverse range of industries and environments , and thus cannot make an allowance for them to be able to enjoy using the jdmst forums while they are at work, then you are very selfish.

SupraWei
26-02-10, 07:08 PM
m0nty, i dont tihnk this was even a problem in the 1st place aye. i really think this thread should not have even existed lol.

m0nty
26-02-10, 07:10 PM
Selfish? Why censor the majority to please the minority? There are settings in the boards to switch off avatars. Why are we still discussing this?

SUROK
26-02-10, 07:10 PM
ok how about this reason.

JDMST RULES - PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING!

5) Avatars/Signatures/Images
- Keep them clean, nothing that would be Not Safe For Work (NSFW).

SupraWei
26-02-10, 07:11 PM
LOL i know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its too simple to understand haha

SupraWei
26-02-10, 07:12 PM
LOL wateva, its only an avatar on forums im over it. this is waste of my time having this debate :)

van
26-02-10, 07:15 PM
Well, I think we're all a bit guilty here.

1) It's already in the forum rules, so those of you that haven't read the rules; I wonder what you'll do next and then be surprised when you get banned for it?


5) Avatars/Signatures/Images
- Keep them clean, nothing that would be Not Safe For Work (NSFW).
- No commercial advertising in signatures.
- NO ANIMATED GIFS.

2) I want to be clear: 'NSFW' has grey areas. For the sake of ensuring nobody gets in trouble at work - something all JDMST members should be respectful of lest they contribute to a fellow member getting a complaint against them - we consider it a black and white rule. If your avatar has a person in it, they should be full clothed or not posing in a remotely, vaguely seductive way.

2) I genuinely recommend you don't bother arguing with me on this point. Arguing semantics will get you banned; I simply don't have the patience for shitheads.

3) Us moderators need to stay mindful of what our jobs are, and delete NSFW avatars. If it's in the rules, we have to uphold them. Threads like this shouldn't need to exist, because we should be doing our job.

Thread closed. Anyone with a vaguely NSFW avatar is advised to change it. If you can't handle this rule, there are other forums out there.