View Full Version : New VE SS Turbo ... !
Fuck people dont waste time do they!
It ran an 11.3 @ 126 mph at Calder the other week .... on only 10psi, pump fuel and stock suspension! CRAZY !
VIDEO :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKzc4Jc6Rg
LINK to Street Commodores Thread
http://forum.streetcommodores.com.au/showthread.php?t=8482453&highlight=turbo+ve
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b376/GTBMad/VEDCEIVE.jpg
nice, i like these ve ss commys
bah
LS2s run 10s NA with bolt ons.
lovesil
26-09-06, 09:37 PM
nice! i like the new VE SS too! In fact, this is the first time a SS looks better than a HSV.
bah
LS2s run 10s NA with bolt ons.
Very true :) It'll be interesting to see how much faster this car goes though. Sure its not JDM in anyway, but ive always been interested in some of the faster / different drag cars. I can only imagine it wont be long till a heap of other new SS's are out on the drag strip --- much like the huge competition that occured when the XR6t's were released.
phwoar, an 11.6 sec car for a few g extra?
bargain
www.ls1.com.au
ls1s are runing 7s now.
they are big big motors.
but they arent a 2J :P
damn thats quick!
go the commos! :D :p
a little off topic, but here is some livery and looks for the 2007 taxi's. loving the flares.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/bigstalker/VEspy.jpg
mmm NICE... to me, its starting to look more like a TOCA car than a V8 Supercar :!:
wow ! a fast taxi :roll:
2 bad they drink petrol like no 2morrow and look like crap IMO !!!!
Justin Fox
28-09-06, 05:37 PM
I saw a black on yesterday in real life, man, it's pumped, su[er fat guards, it's mean. HOT HOT HOT!!! Looking forward to Ford's comeback. I love a muscle car!!!
http://img.netcarshow.com/Holden-VE_Commodore_SS-V_2006_800x600_wallpaper_02.jpg
http://www.haroc.1337thing.com/ls1/ghosn/RedSSV01nowing.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/Image179(edited).JPG
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b376/GTBMad/1dcd3648.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/BT1-187/VECustom4.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/BT1-187/VECustom1.jpg
http://images.cainer.net//uploads/378small.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b376/GTBMad/TTSSV.jpg
Justin Fox
28-09-06, 05:42 PM
Some choppin:
http://www.hrt433.com/images/creations/vessv.jpg
http://www.hrt433.com/images/creations/caprice-v.jpg
http://www.charous.com/uploads/70dc853dfb.jpg
i still think they look shit
they dont have any real lines to em
its just like a bunch of different cars thrown in the blender and thats what popped out
really looks like a big astra
BUT ON A BETA NOTE !! JDM CARS OWN BOTH OF THEM 8)
it's always stupid, simplistic comments like that which come from a majority of honda drivers.
Justin Fox
28-09-06, 07:02 PM
http://www.harwichwater.com/images/bucket.gif
Cool it guys, SHIFTY you sure do say some stupid things on this forum, since you're still in high school you're excused, please grow up though if you intend on hanging around!!!
:P
wow ! a fast taxi :roll:
2 bad they drink petrol like no 2morrow and look like crap IMO !!!!
You think a 11.6 second Jap Car chews less fuel? :lol:
wow ! a fast taxi :roll:
2 bad they drink petrol like no 2morrow and look like crap IMO !!!!
All powerful cars drink petrol...
Don't be so one eyed
IMO !
Lol.....
im saying thats how i feel, doesnt mean im correct.....
mx5s run 10s mark.
but thats not fast
mx5s run 10s mark.
but thats not fast
For a daily driven, near new street car ... id say that the SS is fast on such a mild tune, it'll be running 10s with no issues at all .!
Does that mean supercars arent fast either? :roll: What is "fast"?
If it were a rolling shell, tube frame / fg front end, drag only vehicle, sure, it could do a LOT better ... but thats not it's purpose!
PS. Shifty, if you arent correct when saying blatently stupid things .... please dont post, for the sake of this forum and its members.
Middle Man
29-09-06, 11:43 AM
wow ! a fast taxi :roll:
2 bad they drink petrol like no 2morrow and look like crap IMO !!!!
Yet VTEC is SOOOOOOOOO AWESOME :roll:
it's always stupid, simplistic comments like that which come from a majority of honda drivers.
Champion :lol:
henrysan
29-09-06, 02:13 PM
a 2 door a la monaro version of this would be nuts. especsially with the chopped roofline. but if holden goes with the camaro as the basis for their next monaro i wouldnt be complaining either... coz that thing is nuts too!
lol.
it'd be nice if dodge brought in their charger.... *drools*
i dont mind them. holden wannabe jap
danielb
01-10-06, 07:30 PM
wow ! a fast taxi :roll:
2 bad they drink petrol like no 2morrow and look like crap IMO !!!!
ROFL mate you are clueless.
The newer model commodores are nothing like the old ones. They are becoming quite the decent car.
I'd drive one 8)
Powizzle
07-10-06, 02:42 AM
Hahaha shifty,
Be more like me man!! I'm in high school, less random shit = RESPECT YO =P
I reckon the new VE's look decent, i see a close resemblence to the older models, but they always have been.
That's really fast progress with the tuning of that Black car!! It's only been out for a couple of weeks/months? Top stuff
Fr3aKi3
10-10-06, 12:05 AM
I actually like the VE SS... lol
They look quite aggressive even if it is just a kitted commodore, the pumped wheel arches make a massive impact on the road pressence. Dunno if it's just me but I actually prefer the SS over the HSV offerings..... lol
I have no idea why people have to feel so compelled to declare that one car or type of car is better than the other, and that therefore the other must be absolute shit. They've all got their pros and cons, and it's perfectly fine to like both.
Muscle cars have a big place in automotive history, and it's a mark of their enduring position in the hearts and minds of men and women everywhere that they're still going strong today.
I think the new VE series are bloody fantastic. Holden are finally demonstrating themselves as a company capable of building cars that deserve a place on the world stage, with the Calais V, Statesman, and Caprice being real standout examples.
If I could only buy one car, it admittedly probably wouldn't be one these because I simply can't afford the fuel costs and so forth. That doesn't mean I don't love the cars, and if I wanted a respectable, attractive big car but couldn't afford a 5series BMW, the Calais V would definitely be on the top of my list.
really looks like a big astra
this is what i thought when i first saw it.
i like it tho. new SS is tough. standard commodore looks quite ordinary though.
oh i forgot to add that the new SS reminds me VERY much of the fake GTR concept:
http://www.stevelacerda.hpg.ig.com.br/_Carros/NISSAN%20GTR%20Skyline%20R35%20(1).jpg
note the grill etc.
i wish Nissan picked up this chop and went with it.. :(
Other than the heavily raked window sill, I was always a massive fan of that rendition.
lovesil
11-10-06, 01:41 PM
I think the thing is, Aussie glorified the Commodore to more than what it is. No doubt its a nice car, but magazines had made it looks like its the god.
Tell me if i'm wrong, but isn't VE the only update of their car's underlaying chassic or design since the last 15 yrs?? To me, they are one of the most profitable car brands in Australia and yet the lack of constant R & D?? Yes, the current VE spent 1 billion dollar, but if it's not because it's seriously outdated for the last 15 yrs, why the need to spend so much on a total redesign of the chassic.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents
look further than the mindset of just the chassis redesign.
this car is for the global market. here's a few things that come to mind with the overall billion tag - engineering for lhs and rhs for a global market, r&d for a v8 270kw/520nm with fuel econ to match it's rivals, robotics, their esp, marketing, p&r, advertising, and im sure at least 100 more items.
but what is even more cool are their standard features: bluetooth, dvd roof mounted system, aux plugs for audio/mp3, zone parking assist., etc how many cars have this all as a package?
remember 1 billion over 5 or 6 years, not 1 year. ;)
it's like, calculate how much u have spent on your car(s) over 5-6 period compared to 1 year - the though would make you cringe. i know i would!
Yeah, there's a couple things to keep in mind when considering the Australian automotive industry. Or "the indigenous race" if you prefer ;)
1) We have 20 million people. On a worldwide scale for "first world" countries, that's tiny. Certainly a lot if not most European countries have less people than that, but they're in Europe. Or more importantly, the Northern Hemisphere. They have exceedingly easy access to the largest market in the world; the afore-mentioned Northern Hemisphere.
1A) Because of our relatively small population, everything is scaled down. Every move Holden and Ford Aus make has to be almost guaranteed to be a success, purely because the R&D costs can only be offset/justified if the end product sells. And when you've got 20 million people compared to - for example - America's 280-300 million people, the parameters for success and justifiable expenditure are a hell of a lot tighter. American companies can afford to make a piece of shit and sell it, because they can almost rest assured that out of 300 million people, there will still be enough people who will call it a masterpiece. Therefore, their costs are almost always covered.
1B) Because of the above points, Holden and Ford Aus can't be constantly developing the platform and releasing major changes and so forth, because the market support simply isn't there. There are not enough car buyers in this country for them to safely assume that any major regular investment into R&D can be recouped. And remember: of our 20 million people, only a percentage of those people are car buyers, and then only a percentage of those people are in the market for a big car, and then that percentage is split up across Holden, Ford, Toyota, and Mitsubishi in the main part.
2) Australians glorify the Commodore and Falcon because they're ours. Admittedly the Commodore has always been largely built on Opel's work, and most noticeably in recent years - GM's engines. But even with that in mind, consider the options the average patriotic Aussie has: Admit we've got "nothing" truly ours when it comes to big sedans, or rally behind the one thing that we can say our boys have put a hell of a lot of work into. The Commodore and the Falcon. As I said before; sure, we can't 100% claim them as entirely ours, but damn man. You gotta hang onto some national pride, you know?
But now, with the VE, that's entirely ours. And not only that, the platform/chassis - the Zeta platform - was designed entirely in Australia, and it's intended to be used in just about all of GM's large sedans, and I believe in the Camaro as well. Can you see how major this is? Yeah it's a billion dollar investment, but it's not just the Aussie market that will pay for that. It's every GM car and GM subsidiary that uses the platform.
damn you are good van. well said.
i feel so much smarter reading what you just said van :D
i feel so much smarter reading what you just said van :D
haha same :P
BUT... the engine isnt Australian isnt it ?
i thought it came from the Corvette ( the V8 ) ??
or are they australian engines they use now (sorry i dont really know much about aussie cars)....
Justin Fox
11-10-06, 11:03 PM
Thanks for the input van, much appreciated.
BUT... the engine isnt Australian isnt it ?
i thought it came from the Corvette ( the V8 ) ??
or are they australian engines they use now (sorry i dont really know much about aussie cars)....
You're right, well pointed out! That was my bad to forget that. Yes, the engine is the Global V6 designed at GM, and is being used in most of their cars.
I guess the bottom line at the end of the day is that nobody outside of the luxury manufacturers really has an all-internally designed car anymore. Heck, even Saab have their 2.0ltr turbo engine manufactured right here in Australia by Holden! Not to mention the Saabaru that came out a year or two ago. It's simply not cost-effective for one GM subsidiary to have its own internally designed engine, and another GM sub to have its own, and so on. There has to be global parts sharing, because that's how smart business works.
So, long story short - absolutely, you're right. It's not an Aussie designed engine. But just like the engine was designed overseas and is used all around GM's subsidiary companies, the opposite is true of the body. The chassis for the VE was designed 100% here, and is being used across quite a few GM cars now and into the future. So in effect, what's really happened is that Holden have demonstrated that they are a very important and vital part of the global GM empire, which is a heck of a feather for Holden's hat.
I was reading about it more on a flight tonight, from Adelaide to Melbourne (home at last!), and the amount of ingenuity and dedicated involved in this project is - and I do not use this term lightly, trust me - absolutely astounding. The entire project started mere weeks after launch of the VT, back in, what, 1997? So it's been underway for 10 years. When it first started, GM wanted Holden to use the existing "Sigma" platform, which the Cadillac is built on. Holden checked it out, and decided it simply wasn't good enough. Not good enough! I like their spirit.
The Holden CEO at the time was pushing for Holden's designers and engineers to use as much of the VT/VX/VY/VZ chassis and components as possible, and the designers (Mike Simcoe especially) and engineers really pushed hard and said that no, what Holden needs is a brand new clean-sheet Commodore. And that's what they got, and that's why it cost a billion dollars. Because for the first time in Holden's history, they designed and built a car from the ground up. They looked toward Audi and BMW as their inspiration, and built the closest thing to a BMW or Audi that they could sell for $35k (in terms of overall build quality. Obviously the Calais is a heck of a lot closer!).
Now let me be clear: It's been many years since I've been a Holden fanboy. I haven't owned a Commodore since the 1984 VK Calais I was driving around in about 6 years ago. I went straight from that to my Supra, and it was around then that I started to pay more attention to international - Euro and JDM and US - manufacturers. And I can gladly tell you in my honest and now quite unbiased opinion that the Commodore is very likely the best car in the world for its price range and size right now. Simple as that.
Im sure this wont help Holden with sales over the next month!
"HOLDEN has been forced into an embarrassing recall of its top-of-the-line new Commodores amid fears they leak fuel."
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20607413-2,00.html
The company said today there was a chance of a misalignment occurring during the hose-assembly
Commodore sales are the lowest in 12 years
Justin Fox
19-10-06, 02:05 PM
Darn! Embarassing...
I drove a rental VE Calais yesterday - they have more power than the cheaper models due to a dual exhuast system. I didnt hammer it too much cos the boss was in the passenger seat ;) Overall, i was deeply disappointed by the 'cheapness' i felt when sitting in it. THe Calais was ALWAYS a cheaper luxury car, and i dont think they are anymore! The doors felt light, and yukky, the plastics felt cheapish, the leather felt like vinyl seat covers, and the overall build quality up close of smaller things (particularly the rear tail lights) left a lot to be desired.
They'll sell cos they're a holden .... but would i buy one ? No way. Im much happier with my Sohc 4cyl Lancer wagon!
danielb
29-10-06, 05:30 PM
I'd buy a new SS-V
I reckon they look good :oops:
Never thought i'd say that! Can't argue with an aussie car that does a 13 second quarter mile standard.
More news about the potential exporting of the VE SS to the US as a Pontiac Grand Prix.
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/BA7DC0BABB8018A0CA25722E0014F7BE
The_One
25-07-07, 10:26 PM
Hi there,
I need to buy new wheels to my new caprice 2007 the only thing I have found is a picture posted by Justin Fox for the caprice-V can any one help me to order those online.
Gorilla
25-07-07, 10:42 PM
all i want to know, is shifty and filo in high school, but both drive more expensive cars then me!!! WTF haah
On topic, ive driven a few of the late models, ss-v was awesome.
Hi there,
I need to buy new wheels to my new caprice 2007 the only thing I have found is a picture posted by Justin Fox for the caprice-V can any one help me to order those online.
Perhaps you could link us to the picture you're talking about.
Damn talk about digging up an old thread ! :P
The_One
28-07-07, 05:41 PM
Van thanks a lot this is the picture I am talking about
http://v9v9.net/uploads/980c6c0060.jpg (http://v9v9.net)
Kikkoman
28-07-07, 05:53 PM
RX4 was a funny chap... whatever happen to him?
/offtopic
Van thanks a lot this is the picture I am talking about
I doubt you'll be able to order those online mate, they're genuine Holden rims so you'll have to go through a dealer.
The_One
28-07-07, 06:08 PM
Van,
One of my friends is going Australia this month and I hope if I can get more information on those rims so I can ask him to get it for me.
Oh you're not in Aus? Where are you? Somewhere in the Middle East?
The_One
28-07-07, 06:45 PM
Unfortunately yes, so please can you help me to get those rims.
Well let's see how your friend goes first, he might be able to sort it out for you. If not, I can make a phone call or something :)
V8 fanboys will love it. I still think a debadged black Caprice with a blower sounds better.
...If not, I can make a phone call or something :)
van, a phone call!? how low tech of you... dont you know everybodies communicating via mental telepathy now?
though you are old skool at heart:lol:
on side note, the caprice wheels, in fact all VE chassis wheels will not fit on anything other than a VE chassis.
no more hektik VK or VN commodores with HSV wheels any more...
Thank fuck for that, finally a bit of exclusivity! I hate seeing VNs with VX Clubsport replica bodykits and rims - at least now they won't be able to have the rims!
you not the only one... apprently holden got the shits with it too, and thought this will fuck them up real good...
but i have seen some VE SS wheels on VT -VYs? or does it only apply to HSV?
man, i still think the VE commos are great, big improvement!
Could be replicas I guess.
no no, they were not replicas. geniune VE SS wheels
black200
29-07-07, 04:54 PM
i think you need special wheel nuts to hold them on
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