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trism
06-11-10, 07:53 PM
The biggest argument of all, and creates the basis for all subcultures.

Discuss.

bionikal
06-11-10, 08:33 PM
Function > form.

As if I want to spend that much money on what is essentially a statue.
I bought a car to drive it and enjoy it - not to park it in my driveway, take photo's of it and tell people how expencive the coilovers in it are.

I like my shit to look good but its far more important that it goes well.

Jays14
06-11-10, 08:46 PM
Doing both is the best way...

jason12
06-11-10, 08:48 PM
Function all the way. But i guess with an r31 its a given that you brought the car to be driven and not for its looks :P

But overall i guess it depends on the car... those with lower performance cars (honda oddysey or something of the sort) then form would be a lot better than function imo.

BURST
06-11-10, 08:48 PM
What are we discussing in reference to?

EDIT: Just saw this was a new subforum called Car Culture.

I think a mix of both, not too much form that'll take away from function, but then not all function that the car looks like ass.

RE99IE
06-11-10, 08:55 PM
IMO, we all start in "Form > Function" - in our Teens we always want to impress everyone, we want to look good, and it is mainly about image. Form can range to Blings, and Loud bits - exhaust, CIA or blowoff valve.

FORM has a quick ROI (return on investment) when one can see, and here your new upgrade. We eventually start going to Function >= Form when we start making money, especially when we start to find our way to Drags, and Trackdays. I too took this evolution, from $5k worth of sound system with total sound deadening to track-ready-daily-driven money pit.

I learned a lot during my "Form > Function", I learned how to use a jigsaw, solder, and confidence in car DIY. Rule for me is that as long as you learn something from it - it must be good.

lovesil
06-11-10, 09:04 PM
I say, its form = function. Both are part of the pride, where non can separate from each other.

Bantex
06-11-10, 09:08 PM
I'd much rather spend money on functional things, and if form is a byproduct of that (wider wheels, carbon rear diffuser) then that's fine with me :D

Call me a ricer, whatever, I like cars that look nice and go fast.

c0LL1n
06-11-10, 09:12 PM
I say, its form = function. Both are part of the pride, where non can separate from each other.

i agree with this statement. i think nowadays form is function and function is form they go both hand in hand. there a quite a few cars on this very forum that show both form and function such as Justin Fox's Golf GTI or biggie's 180sx.

munkaii
06-11-10, 09:22 PM
I would say that function first and then form. When you have an old rusty can which has the goods, you want to be able to show it to people and for them to appreciate the function. To show a car that has no function but purely as exterior goodies seems a little pointless to me. You can't put that "form" to use in a sense.

trism
06-11-10, 09:29 PM
i agree with this statement. i think nowadays form is function and function is form they go both hand in hand. there a quite a few cars on this very forum that show both form and function such as Justin Fox's Golf GTI or biggie's 180sx.

This holds true with alot of cars, but what about something like, say, HuHs old Keto? http://forum.jdmstyletuning.com/showthread.php?22491-HuH-s-KE70

Justin Fox
06-11-10, 09:45 PM
Got to love it when you blur the lines. I strive for that. I'm both an artist and a designer and juxtaposition is where it's at for me.

PA70NG
06-11-10, 09:49 PM
Form only is what Ive done with my car. the way I see it, I cannot afford to lose my license and prefer to hit the track on 2 wheels. So have built a slow cruiser that i think looks good but will be whooped sideways by most other cars out there :)

I guess there isn't a universal answer, rather, what the owner wants to achieve from their build :)

personally, I love seeing my car parked or rolling as it is on a bright summers day at the beach :)

OoSKYLINEoO
06-11-10, 09:50 PM
if: Function > Form
then: Rotas > RAYS ?

Babalouie
06-11-10, 09:52 PM
Hard one to call. Sometimes pure function (ie a hardcore motorsport/engineering approach) can be more visual porn than something that was designed to be purposefully beautiful.

munchhunch
06-11-10, 10:25 PM
I am all about function and form consolidated on the canvas most people call a car.

Like many people say, it as an art work in its own right, although tuning and modifying performance/handling to create and all round head turner of a certain style/culture is where is at for me.

Rad
06-11-10, 10:31 PM
Hard one to call. Sometimes pure function (ie a hardcore motorsport/engineering approach) can be more visual porn than something that was designed to be purposefully beautiful.

mmm very much so. In my opinion BYP's Civic is an example of this and is quite porno.. I'm not even huge on Civic's and Honda's in general, but this thing makes me salivate each time I see it. It's just simple badass.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4638553829_e9693328f3_o.jpg

mph
06-11-10, 10:35 PM
For me its about design purity. Something designed for a specific function without any consideration of its looks, is beautiful.
So I guess function is form.

kazman
06-11-10, 10:43 PM
Function is the epitome of form, a functional car will generally look damn good in it's own way. Which kind of form you prefer varies from person to person, but it's hard to disagree that a properly functional car (as in serious motorsports) looks good. A lot of cars that are modified for form do it to achieve a functional look, which to me seems to prove it. But they are pretty much one and the same, there's different forms for different functions

ido09s
06-11-10, 11:22 PM
If you build a car for function its form will come naturally as it will not only go well, but it will look good standing still :D

nobbs
06-11-10, 11:58 PM
In my opinion it comes down to the intended purpose of the car, if the goal of the owner is to have a hardparker that looks good then form would be of top priority; however function will play its part as well as the form is occuring (thats if they want to at least drive the thing)... if the intended purpose of the car is to be driven hard with good results then function will be the top priority and as function is worked on form will occur, so i agree that they go hand in hand, it just depends what the aim of the car is...

So what im trying to say is that it depends on what the owners goal is for the car and it really is to each their own, i find myself looking at cars and thinking to myself things like 'that car needs to be a bit lower' or 'he needs some fatter offset wheels' or 'that car needs some more power to match its look' but in reality the owners goals for the car may be the opposite of what i think the car should be... so it really is up to the owner, however i think there needs to be some resemblance of both function and form in each car...

Using BYP as an example: the purpose of the BYP civic now is to get fast lap times, its obvious that function is top priority (even though it DOES look good/bad ass) its not road legal and is 100% a track car, however there was one stage where WAS road legal and the goal of the car was more towards being a bad ass street car so we saw that the ratio of function:form was a bit more balanced out... (see pic below) and as the purpose of the car has changed then so has the function:form ratio...

As a personal preference i think they go hand in hand and its nice to have a balance of both function and form

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/fatboyz39/DSC_0004.jpg

.::F[L]Y::.
07-11-10, 12:38 AM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/fatboyz39/DSC_0004.jpg

LOL its funny seeing the civic once that immac!

Both can be achieved to a certain degree. Comes down to how much funds you have to splash around.

Babalouie
07-11-10, 01:04 AM
Ok, let's see what ppl think....where do you think this car sits in the form vs function spectrum?

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m255/MX5_Dorifto/Lexus/b01b912d.jpg

VTECMACHINE
07-11-10, 01:10 AM
Form. Not because of the wheels/stance. But because it's a Lexus. It's a car that is meant to be luxurious to drive and look nice (ie: show off car).

tofuboy
07-11-10, 01:46 AM
through function comes form.

ae86_
07-11-10, 01:50 AM
Function wise: for me my car needs to be reliable enough to handle track driving and practical enough that I wont think twice about driving it to buy some milk.

This is because I like cars that can be enjoyed both on the road and on the track. A track only car would not be suitable for me because for now I can only enjoy one car at a time.

Form wise: I also care about style because I like to look cool as well. So form wise, I like a car that looks cool to me.

My taste in style changes from time to time. Atm I'm really drawn to that professionally modded by the factory look. Sort of the factory club racer look that the dc2r, 996 gt3 etc have.

My aim is to build my ae86 to achieve maximum performance while acting with style and grace.

AE092
07-11-10, 02:27 AM
Agreed with what is said above. I build a street car for the track and not vice versa. For me, it's predominantly about the function as I do alot of track days, no point making the car "look" good on the race-track if it will not perform or beat P/B's. So far so good, 9 track days; 9 PB's.

cobby
07-11-10, 03:08 AM
form.function.money...pick two.

The Stig
07-11-10, 03:20 AM
pick all three = baller

Songkla
07-11-10, 03:35 AM
form.function.money...pick two.

Fuction and money because with money, you can make buy all the go fast bits for your car, and all the expensive parts look good anyway. Its a win win.

bushtucker
07-11-10, 09:08 AM
having both will get you the win

clutch-monkey
07-11-10, 10:45 AM
form follows function.
doesn't mean you can't balance both though. you can do a lot of things to help 'form' that won't detract from function.

one11
07-11-10, 11:10 AM
some people like to look good, some people like to go fast and some people like to do both?
that's it.

Prancer
07-11-10, 12:26 PM
i believe this forum is mainly about form following function
thats what jdmst is all about, we spend big money on wheels, suspension, engine work etc and this is what looks good to us, i personally like a car that has been built to function right using quality parts

this is good form for me

a car is designed to be driven.

one11
07-11-10, 12:46 PM
every car is designed to be driven haha
but yeah i get your jist

DreadAngel
07-11-10, 01:05 PM
I like a balance of both, personally a nice clean (Some would say conservative?) exterior + interior with some well selected go fast bits (all racey or stealthy up to you) and you have something that people that will simply nod cause it's nice and balanced not extreme one way or another ;)

seventhskyline
07-11-10, 01:10 PM
Function > Form, but many of the greatest engineers have also had an artists eye.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3405/3430056367_4890f0bf60_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2297/2109574293_8392719c0e.jpg

Those are prime examples of where form follows function.


http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/qq231/lennyway/30/moto_raffa_030-yamahatw-streetracke.jpg

http://www.gravel-crew.com/uploads/photos/303.jpg

And here, inspired and informed by the imagery of the style of bikes in the first two images, these two eschew function for form, substance for style, and compromise original function to ape a look which is not backed up by ability.

Ditto cars -

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2158/011nf8.jpg

Form following function, informed by experience and observation.

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n628/70rolla/P8050843.jpg

Form dominating function, imitation without full understanding.

mrpham
07-11-10, 01:32 PM
I prefer Function over Form, but I can't say form doesn't have a part in the way I modify my car. The only appearance type mod I've done to my car are the wheels, all other mods are for performance or tune-ability. But that's not to say that I didn't try my best to make those mods look neat and tidy. Nearly everything in my life is neat and tidy, everything has it's place (bit OCD I guess) so that's reflected in my hobbies too, be it cars, electronics or Hi-Fi.

Chewbacca
07-11-10, 02:22 PM
Its all based on what 'function' you want your car to perform.. The Lexus posted on the previous page probably meets all the criteria for function that the owner requires whilst have the exact form they require. It's all about what your personal definition is of each.

03DC5R
07-11-10, 04:19 PM
i would rather function over form....which is the reason im selling my "flush" fitting wheels...they make the car look awesome, but also affect the way it drives in a negative way (ie, tramlining, and torque steer is more prevalent)...i would rather drive around on stockies and enjoy the drive than have my car look good and hate my life everytime i get in it for a drive. but thats just me...i still enjoy looking at cars with tough fitting wheels etc

SfS
07-11-10, 06:38 PM
It was mentioned earlier. Most people when you first get your car couldn't care less about how it performed you just want the thing to look good. I bought my first car for 800 lil 3cyl 1L. Spent at least 4k into a bodykit, rims, steering wheel, gear knob etc (although these days form is all you can do basically when you get your license) but then I started wanting function more, now I couldn't care less what my car looks like as long as it runs fine. But my next car will just be something to cruise around and look good in, too much $$ on cars and have other things to spend money on, at this stage in my life anyway.

Maybe its just a continuous circle that never ends? lol

Course_Out
07-11-10, 09:38 PM
Absolutely love the dirt track/flat track bikes. I think I've watched "On ANy Sunday" about eleventy billion times...

Back on topic, as has been said previously form and function are both subjective. I think 'function" as we in the JDMST community view it would be the ability to set fast times around a circuit, handle a winding road or be a controllable and responsive drift car. In these circumstance I feel that form follows function - when I think of cars that have made me stand back and go "wow that's hot" they have all been simple cars, with only necesary aero add on's and wheel sizes in the "big enough to fit the brakes under and thats all" category.

I think this is the aesthetic appeal of motorcycles to an extent - there is nothing superfulous, it is just distilled, pure function, a seat and some handlebars with a motor in between (for the most part of course!)

m0nty
07-11-10, 09:51 PM
Form. Not because of the wheels/stance. But because it's a Lexus. It's a car that is meant to be luxurious to drive and look nice (ie: show off car).

A luxurious ride with plenty of features like seat heaters, sat nav, leather, bi-xenon headlights, adaptive cruise control, B & O sound and electric seats is also functional. Function does not equal performance. That's where I think people always get this topic confused.

VTECMACHINE
07-11-10, 10:19 PM
A luxurious ride with plenty of features like seat heaters, sat nav, leather, bi-xenon headlights, adaptive cruise control, B & O sound and electric seats is also functional. Function does not equal performance. That's where I think people always get this topic confused.

True I never thought of it like that. I thought the reason why this thread was created was from a JDM point of view. ie: Function or Form (which on this forum means rice.)

Oxer
08-11-10, 12:36 AM
So If I were to track my civic exactly how you all have seen it what does that make me/my car?

Everyone who has seen pics automatically assumes Im the type of guy that builds cars with the intention that form > all. But If I were to track my car as it sits with 9/9.5" wide wheels on a car that came out with 5" wheels, does that make me a complete idiot to all those who only see big wheels and -6 camber?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4154/5032868992_de751cfbde_b.jpg

Only 3 or 4 people have ever commented on the 5 stud conversion, with dc2 type r complete trailing arms, and the full brake conversion out of a dc2 type r.... If modifying cars, to me, was all about the form, why would I bother doing all that? Cause you sure dont see much past the face of those wheels.

The fact is, you cant always judge a book by its cover. People will/have called me stupid, but I will be taking this out on the track. Sure Ill also bring along my set of dc2r wheels with semis on it, but none of the settings will change, and I will take it out on the ccw's, just to see how far off the times are.

Ill be sure to get a mate to take pics, and although It wont be the fastest car out there on the day, Ill be sure to make mechanical adjustments here and there to improve the next time I go out.

A good friend of mine once said, Low is a lifestyle, and to me my civic sits too high, so Ill be addressing that in the new year.

I have a wager going that Ill be able to crack below a 1:55 at winton. No engine mods at all... anyone interested in loosing money, Place your bets :D

VTECMACHINE
08-11-10, 12:41 AM
I have to admit, if I saw that on a race track i'd LOL.

Oxer
08-11-10, 01:03 AM
I have to admit, if I saw that on a race track i'd LOL.

And thats the difference between some one who is open minded and some one who is closed minded, with yourself being the latter.


I didnt build this car with the intention of putting down awesome track times for bragging rights, hell at the end of the day thats just a figure. I built it with the intention to turn heads and have a lot of fun while doing it.

So far I have done both without even seeing a track ;)


I wasnt going to, but for a bit of pun, whats the bet I could drive this through the corner with more momentum then the car in your avatar? Body roll can be helpfull... but thats a bit extreme :D

Wink
08-11-10, 01:08 AM
the type of guy that builds cars with the intention that form > all.
Is that a bad thing?

VTECMACHINE
08-11-10, 01:19 AM
I'm just saying that i'd LOL if I saw that on a track like that. I'm sure most people would. If it was faster than an F1 car around a corner, i'm such people would still smile and have a chuckle - it's funny to see a Herra Frush Civic on the track with chromes and all.

I actually don't get your post. You say you built the car for it to turn heads on the street, and I wouldn't disagree. The fitment of your wheels are cool. I'm also positive you would take a corner much flatter than my car as i'm sure you have used all of your suspension travel to get your car that low. Sure you'd generate some g-force too, those Nankang tyres are suppose to grip amazingly.

If you have a wager to crack 1.55 at Winton as is, go for it, don't talk about it.

Downshift
08-11-10, 01:19 AM
Function>Form and Form>Function are just argued by people who only have one or the other. Why is it impossible to do both?? Sorry but a fully track dedicated car that isn't some form of a super car or full prepped race car is idiotic to me, I would find SOMEWAY to drive it on the road. Race cars have Form because everyone stares at that shit, but they also have function. Why does everyone classify Form as Autosalon 24" wheels and stuff?? Even if all those guys rolling on badass wheel fitment went to the track they could still race.

Obviously no one has ever heard of two setups, must be some type of black art :lol:

Oxer
08-11-10, 01:25 AM
Is that a bad thing?

Not at all! Never said it was :)

But whenever people automaticaly assume that people like myself, or others alike, only have form in mind, its an instant example of the closed minded. I guess the internet/forum world has created that online persona called "haters"... Its nothing more then people not being able to broaden their view. Sure we can all look at a car and nit pick the things that WE, as individuals, dont like, but that doesnt give anyone a reason to segregate that person into a seperate section of the automotive scene.

In saying that, rediculous modifications like a gt wing and a canon on a ford telstar with stock suspension and chrome wheels should be burned.

Oxer
08-11-10, 01:29 AM
I'm just saying that i'd LOL if I saw that on a track like that. I'm sure most people would. If it was faster than an F1 car around a corner, i'm such people would still smile and have a chuckle - it's funny to see a Herra Frush Civic on the track with chromes and all.

I actually don't get your post. You say you built the car for it to turn heads on the street, and I wouldn't disagree. The fitment of your wheels are cool. I'm also positive you would take a corner much flatter than my car as i'm sure you have used all of your suspension travel to get your car that low. Sure you'd generate some g-force too, those Nankang tyres are suppose to grip amazingly.

If you have a wager to crack 1.55 at Winton as is, go for it, don't talk about it.

I retract my previous statement.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/7/4/df16a8a7-e657-4d5a-8ed8-f4c83e97e002.jpg

:lol:



Obviously no one has ever heard of two setups, must be some type of black art :lol:

What the hell are you talking about? There is no such thing.

VTECMACHINE
08-11-10, 01:31 AM
Not sure what happened ^^^^

G54B
08-11-10, 01:42 AM
Seriously, I think that form=function. You can have a functional car that looks epicly baller, it just depends on what particular function you built it to perform. If you built it to look good and it does, then is it not performing it's intended function? Vice-versa works too, you can have a badass looking track car that's been built with no consideration to form that still looks great.

It's all about the car's intended purpose. Everything has a function to perform, whether it be VIP, bosozoku, track-spec or whatever.

Oxer
08-11-10, 01:43 AM
Not sure what happened ^^^^

You said you'd lol at my car on track, I called you closed minded, you expanded your theory on your first post, I retracted my statement since you seem to actually have quite an open mind.

That just happened.

http://webpages.csus.edu/~tr245/shakeandbake.jpg

dave2221
08-11-10, 09:46 AM
this is a pointless thread?

its pretty obvious if you want a racecar.... Function > form

if you want a daily driver, then Form > Function....... cause lets face it... around our capital cities, a spoiler really doesnt do much, and your Bride bucket.... well there isnt much hard cornering down the easter distributer at 8am

Justin Fox
08-11-10, 10:16 AM
Still waiting for more people to do this on street cars:

http://blog.webridestv.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Chris-Rado-Scion-tC.jpg

clutch-monkey
08-11-10, 10:19 AM
after that subway hang ring shit it wouldn't suprise me if that's the next trend lololol

Babalouie
08-11-10, 10:26 AM
Still waiting for more people to do this on street cars:

"But officer...it isn't illegal to have a GT Wing on the FRONT of your car...it's only illegal to have one on the BACK."

S30Mike
08-11-10, 10:39 AM
I like a balance of function and form, HOWEVER if there is a modification im considering just for looks and it happens to affect the performance of the car i wont go through with it. However this has developed over time as i cant claim that i thought like that a few years back, looks was high up on the list back then!

pbk1776
08-11-10, 11:03 AM
through function comes form.

I think you cannot separate both, which in a way I agree with you.

But you can buy a good looking car (which is form already) and do your function mod, then you have both worlds

haha this is funny its like asking which comes first egg or the chicken

Babalouie
08-11-10, 11:11 AM
Its all based on what 'function' you want your car to perform.. The Lexus posted on the previous page probably meets all the criteria for function that the owner requires whilst have the exact form they require. It's all about what your personal definition is of each.

That's pretty much what I was getting at.

A big luxury car's function, is to be refined, comfy and to waft its occupants from A to B with the least stress possible. IMHO, things like handling and grunt are only important to a luxury car to the extent that it makes the journey effortless. Eg if it's underpowered, it will be stressful to drive, so it should be powerful enough to be effortless, without being so powerful (or having a spiky power delivery) that it becomes less comfy to drive. Eg it shound handle, but only to the extent that poor handling will make navigating such a big barge more effort. Ride comfort is more important. So my point in posting that VIP'd Lexus was that it's ride quality may be compromised by the coilovers it is running, and those big heavy wheels will definitely make the riede quality less plush. It may handle a little better, but by sacrificing ride quality and harshness, it is actually going against its intended function. And the bodykit and ride height might make journeys less relaxing if you're constantly stressing about steep driveways and having to go over speed humps at an angle, etc. So from the perspective of its intended function, the VIP treatment has quite possibly made it go backwards.

But then again...if you define "function" as being pure performance, then its function may actually be enhanced by the bigger tyres and stiffer/lower coilovers. It's probably slightly faster than a stock one around a circuit, and if you are a trackhound, you may consider this to be an improvement in function.

...which gets back to the point that lots of you are making...that forms vs function is highly subjective because the definition of function is gonna vary from person to person :D

Sharpy
08-11-10, 11:14 AM
if: Function > Form
then: Rotas > RAYS ?

well no, because RAYS are a forged lightweight rim, they are practical in motorsport with both strength and weight reduction.

whereas rota's are just trying to be something they arent.

evil86
08-11-10, 11:14 AM
mixed opinions here, but id have to say. id rather have a car thats pigged out and drives like an f1 than a chromed out box sitting on chopped springs that steers like a boat

VTECMACHINE
08-11-10, 11:47 AM
So I think we have established that the Function or Form topic is purely based on personal preference, and that it is possible to have both.

Tonba
08-11-10, 12:42 PM
That's pretty much what I was getting at.

A big luxury car's function, is to be refined, comfy and to waft its occupants from A to B with the least stress possible. IMHO, things like handling and grunt are only important to a luxury car to the extent that it makes the journey effortless. Eg if it's underpowered, it will be stressful to drive, so it should be powerful enough to be effortless, without being so powerful (or having a spiky power delivery) that it becomes less comfy to drive. Eg it shound handle, but only to the extent that poor handling will make navigating such a big barge more effort. Ride comfort is more important. So my point in posting that VIP'd Lexus was that it's ride quality may be compromised by the coilovers it is running, and those big heavy wheels will definitely make the riede quality less plush. It may handle a little better, but by sacrificing ride quality and harshness, it is actually going against its intended function. And the bodykit and ride height might make journeys less relaxing if you're constantly stressing about steep driveways and having to go over speed humps at an angle, etc. So from the perspective of its intended function, the VIP treatment has quite possibly made it go backwards.

But then again...if you define "function" as being pure performance, then its function may actually be enhanced by the bigger tyres and stiffer/lower coilovers. It's probably slightly faster than a stock one around a circuit, and if you are a trackhound, you may consider this to be an improvement in function.

...which gets back to the point that lots of you are making...that forms vs function is highly subjective because the definition of function is gonna vary from person to person :D


Win...

/end thread

Downshift
08-11-10, 03:35 PM
So I think we have established that the Function or Form topic is purely based on personal preference, and that it is possible to have both.

Could end the thread with this right here. Summed up perfectly.

Alexx
08-11-10, 03:48 PM
Obviously no one has ever heard of two setups, must be some type of black art :lol:

Damn, someone smart must have introduced you to this idea :P

Why have one when you can have both. Simple.

Intense
08-11-10, 05:21 PM
I've always been a function over form type of guy. I really don't care how a car looks so long as it's quick, or rather, an improvement on what it was before performance wise. I draw the line at mods when a mod is noticably detrimental to the performance of a car. I mean what's the point in having a car that looks quick but can't actually back it up with any performance? I've never given a second thought to what other people think of my car becuase at a glance they have no idea about what it's like to actually drive and just how enjoyable it is. On the flip side when you see a car that's completely slammed with little to no gap between the tyres and guards, it's pretty easy to tell a car like that will handle like shit and won't be enjoyable to drive. But if people care so much what other people think of them that they're willing to spend thousands of dollars on a material possession to impress others then I can't help but feel sorry for them. You should always do things to impress yourself, not other people.

Which brings me back to my core beleif in modifying cars, you modify a car to impress yourself. Everytime I hop into my car and take it for a spin, it always puts a smile on my face, not other peoples.

Oxer
08-11-10, 05:48 PM
Damn, someone smart must have introduced you to this idea :P

Why have one when you can have both. Simple.

Why have two set ups for one car when you can.....








..... simply buy another car! Or 5.

Downshift
08-11-10, 05:54 PM
Damn, someone smart must have introduced you to this idea :P

Why have one when you can have both. Simple.
yeah some queerass Honda Fanboy :lol:


Why have two set ups for one car when you can.....








..... simply buy another car! Or 5.
"wanna be a...balller. Shot caller, 20" blades on the impala"

Justin Fox
08-11-10, 06:46 PM
Babs - you're such an asset!!!

chaRwie
08-11-10, 07:09 PM
This is why i have two cars
One for function, other for form...

Wink
08-11-10, 07:11 PM
This is why i have two cars
One for function, other for form...

We could've had that AZ1 Charlie.... AZ1!!!!!!!!

chaRwie
08-11-10, 07:23 PM
If we did wink, no one be hating on us

xclusive
08-11-10, 10:19 PM
im on my green p's so no function for me, but i remember the first time i driven a turbo, man i loved it, cant wait to get a turbo.
well road rules restrict us from push our cars to its potential and not everyone has money or time to go track frequently,
so i guess im leaning towards form, if you cant go sideways around roundabouts or hit 150+ down a road without getting your ass kicked by the popo's might aswell show your car off.

m0nty
09-11-10, 08:53 AM
Funny that people who see function as performance and mention drift pigs as functional also go all moist over novelty oversize gearknobs and shit that hangs off of rear view mirrors. Drift pigs also have a certain look which doesn't fit in with function too so I think again, that some people misinterpret function as something that fits into a category such as drift as purely functional. All cars have a function. It doesn't have to be performance. This discussion would be better called performance and aesthetics - how much importance do you place on them when modifying a car?

Sharpy
09-11-10, 01:02 PM
im on my green p's so no function for me, but i remember the first time i driven a turbo, man i loved it, cant wait to get a turbo.
well road rules restrict us from push our cars to its potential and not everyone has money or time to go track frequently,
so i guess im leaning towards form, if you cant go sideways around roundabouts or hit 150+ down a road without getting your ass kicked by the popo's might aswell show your car off.

So you're saying you can't have function without a turbo?

Non turbo can also do the illegal things you are talking about, as well as do it on a track, sometimes better than turbo's.

wassup hi-power CRX

Prancer
18-11-10, 01:28 PM
showing your car off can still get u fines/defects

Biggie
18-11-10, 02:01 PM
Form is Function

Function becomes form

work that out if you will

As somone raised erlier outside of a pure race car you be hard picked to find anyone who dosent sacrifice a little bit of Function for form
my wheels are to big and my car is too low and i dont care becuase thats the way i like it

That said it was interesting to look at some of the pointy point end Time attack cars and noticing the fact they stilled cared enough to do lots of little things to make the car look a little bettter/

D.K.C
18-11-10, 02:32 PM
Form is Function

That said it was interesting to look at some of the pointy point end Time attack cars and noticing the fact they stilled cared enough to do lots of little things to make the car look a little bettter/

Yes, but in that scenario, there is sponsorship dollars at play.... which i guess is a classic example of function is form... the function is to have an attractive looking car that sells your sponsors products as well as possible. (i recognise that this is slightly removed from the original argument however)

Biggie
18-11-10, 02:43 PM
Yes, but in that scenario, there is sponsorship dollars at play.... which i guess is a classic example of function is form... the function is to have an attractive looking car that sells your sponsors products as well as possible. (i recognise that this is slightly removed from the original argument however)

kind of i dont think it even that.

Its more about having pride in what you are doing have built.

D.K.C
18-11-10, 02:58 PM
That's true (and how it should be).. I was taking the more cynical viewpoint.

VTECMACHINE
18-11-10, 03:02 PM
Form is Function

Function becomes form


Best way to put it! This is the actual answer to the question. /thread.

Taz_
20-11-10, 09:40 AM
"Perfection is a myth..." Nakai-San, Rauh Welt.

/ Thread.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb287/Taz_79/8.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb287/Taz_79/IMG_1232.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb287/Taz_79/rear.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb287/Taz_79/3final.jpg

RE99IE
20-11-10, 09:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryW_kXjUJqw

"If you analyse the function of an object, its form often becomes obvious." - Prof F.A. Porsche

azzagray
25-11-10, 01:00 PM
showing your car off can still get u fines/defects

So damn true.

clutch-monkey
25-11-10, 01:08 PM
raugh welt is considered function now?

odd

Mr Happ
25-11-10, 01:26 PM
^ Rauh Welt = Porsche Hipsters

Mattio
25-11-10, 02:10 PM
Mmm functional on a racetrack maybe..

Dunno about Porsche hipsters though....i can't imagine a stereotypical Porsche owner wanting to hold his/hers together with zip ties and paint it matte black

clutch-monkey
25-11-10, 03:57 PM
Mmm functional on a racetrack maybe..

not as much as you think.. widebodies on 911's have quite a few disadvantages.
went on their website and half the cars have standard engines. seems like they're for show, rolling art.

eg:
http://www.carsensor.net/usedcar/detail/CU0005725669/index.html

looks great, but slower than stock..

full fat, widebody 911's that sit squarely in the 'function' camp tend to look kinda like this, and push a lot more power..

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7382/zpowerslidetrackdayamnu.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/zpowerslidetrackdayamnu.jpg/)
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7382/zpowerslidetrackdayamnu.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/zpowerslidetrackdayamnu.jpg/)

Sicarius123
25-11-10, 04:34 PM
I sit squarely in the middle of this argument.

Not a fan of cars that look like shit but "do their job"

Not a fan of massive show ponies that can't be driven but look pretty.

I like a car that does it job and keeps a decent level of presentation.

Cars are there to be driven, but some people really have a lack of respect for their property. For something that costs you thousands of dollars and is typically your second most expensive asset next to a house, or for a young person, their most expensive asset, why would you purposefully ruin it and then pretend that it's cooler that way? I don't understand it.

BURST
25-11-10, 04:54 PM
I think the function of a modified car should be to put a smile on your face. Whether you like something that can kick it sideways, run sub-1.10 at Wakefield, or drag frame along the ground; if it makes you happy then it's serving its purpose.

Downshift
25-11-10, 05:08 PM
"Perfection is a myth..." Nakai-San, Rauh Welt.
/ Thread.

RWB essentially use the Function look to serve a Form purpose. Only one of their cars has the engine and suspension build to live up to the look, and the Stella Artois one has an engine swap from memory. The one that actually lives up to the name is of course the one that made them famous in the first place. Not that matte black street on SP1's, but instead this one.

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/2010/June%202010/Idlers-P1/AY0F9452.jpg
If memory serves correct it runs 57-58sec around Tsukuba.

RWB are in hindsight Form>Function

clutch-monkey
25-11-10, 05:59 PM
RWB essentially use the Function look to serve a Form purpose. Only one of their cars has the engine and suspension build to live up to the look, and the Stella Artois one has an engine swap from memory. The one that actually lives up to the name is of course the one that made them famous in the first place. Not that matte black street on SP1's, but instead this one.

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/2010/June%202010/Idlers-P1/AY0F9452.jpg
If memory serves correct it runs 57-58sec around Tsukuba.

RWB are in hindsight Form>Function
+1
if that's the one i'm thinking of it's NA 3.4 with carbs and would be faster without the flares.(edit nvm that's the matte black one i'm thinking of)
RWB doesn't even offer engine work, just $22k bodywork conversions iirc.
which is fine, as burst said, as it depends what 'function' you're after..

i'll translate that into nissan: it's like getting an R34 GTR with a hot JGTC look widebody kit on it, except then you find it has an RB20 under the hood

Downshift
25-11-10, 06:54 PM
+1
if that's the one i'm thinking of it's NA 3.4 with carbs and would be faster without the flares.(edit nvm that's the matte black one i'm thinking of)
RWB doesn't even offer engine work, just $22k bodywork conversions iirc.
which is fine, as burst said, as it depends what 'function' you're after..

i'll translate that into nissan: it's like getting an R34 GTR with a hot JGTC look widebody kit on it, except then you find it has an RB20 under the hood

The one with Stella Artois on the side...seen above. Is the one with the 3.4, used to roll on the bronze SP1's. FUCKING LOL AT EXAMPLE, that will definitely make more sense to now Porsche minded folk on here.

Mattio
25-11-10, 11:28 PM
I sit squarely in the middle of this argument.

Not a fan of cars that look like shit but "do their job"

Not a fan of massive show ponies that can't be driven but look pretty.

I like a car that does it job and keeps a decent level of presentation.

Cars are there to be driven, but some people really have a lack of respect for their property. For something that costs you thousands of dollars and is typically your second most expensive asset next to a house, or for a young person, their most expensive asset, why would you purposefully ruin it and then pretend that it's cooler that way? I don't understand it.

Will have to +1 this

I know i for one am selling my multiple sets of wheels to go into one set that serves most purposes because i'm just sick of having one that sits in the garage all the time and rarely gets worked on let alone driven (when it works)

RA23GT
25-11-10, 11:42 PM
^^id agree with that too.
i guess a bad metaphor would be not mowing your front lawn because the house still does its job.
i guess it also depends what the owner want from the car too, as too how much importance each play.
i like a nice balance :) goes well, but doesnt look like something you put together from 6 different wrecks at a scrapyard.
unless thats what your going for, in which case, kudo's, more power to you :)

just cos i wanna join in on the fast porsche picture spree :)
the "moby Dick"
http://www.butzi.cz/modely/78_935-78_coupe_moby_dick/78_935-78_coupe_moby_dick_2.jpg

Jays14
26-11-10, 07:24 AM
What biggie said.... That is all...

banhmithit
27-11-10, 11:50 AM
It's all just opinions never will be anything clear cut for this case.
For me it depends on the situation; daily wise yes I would like my golf to look good and what not, though on the track I wouldn't really care how my ae82 looks but more so performance.
But hey I still think it looks good :P

jaytamm
14-01-11, 01:16 AM
Dislike the chrome wheels on the lexus. Has a body kit and is lowered. It is not doing its function - meant to be easy/luxurious driving but instead you will have to worry each time you go over a speed bump whether you will damage the car.

jaytamm
14-01-11, 01:20 AM
It really depends on what the function of the car is. For instance, if it is a lexus (as posted before) - the function of the car will be based more on luxury driving. So why stiffen the suspension, lower it and put chrome wheels on it?

Personally I dislike chrome wheels on any car. However, I think if you want to lower your car etc. it is more suited to race cars. Just my opinion.

Also dependent on what function the car has for you.

Sicarius123
14-01-11, 06:19 PM
So when I lower my 2GS on tein comfort sports to legal height with works SC1 wheels where does that sit? It's a Lexus, not a limited edition car, why leave it standard?

danielb
17-01-11, 05:34 PM
It really depends on what the function of the car is. For instance, if it is a lexus (as posted before) - the function of the car will be based more on luxury driving. So why stiffen the suspension, lower it and put chrome wheels on it?

Personally I dislike chrome wheels on any car. However, I think if you want to lower your car etc. it is more suited to race cars. Just my opinion.

Also dependent on what function the car has for you.

Could also be argued that half the appeal of a car like a lexus is the outward image it projects, ie. how it looks. Most cars look better lower and with non-OEM wheels, and as such some owners would be prepared to sacrifice some comfort in order for the car to look better

ras
19-01-11, 07:16 PM
depends on what kind of car you're building. for me form > function as it is for most people who modify their cars just for the street. but anyway, as someone mentioned, function can come with form in most cases.

as for that lexus, definitely form more than function.

stephen8512
26-01-11, 10:42 AM
depends what car you have
depends what you're gonna use it for (odd track day, full on track monster, street car with no track days)
depends how much money you have

with enough funds you can probably achieve both. But that is a costly exercise.

Something like a bodykit is functional but usually more often than not, most get it because it looks good or it matches their tastes with how they reckon the car should look. So form plays a part as well. So long as you use quality parts and execute it right, as someone said, form will usually follow with that function to the eyes of both yourself and any other third party.

Glocker
26-01-11, 07:50 PM
As long as you like what you did to your car it is both function and form.

Intense
27-01-11, 02:35 AM
Nope. If I were in the state of mind that 18" rims and a lift kit would look good on my ae86 and had done such a ghastly set of modifications to accomodate it, the car's function would waver. In fact I would have directly altered the performance of my car for worse and in the process made it look shit to the rest of the world, just because I'd hypothetically like it doesn't mean for the slightest instant that it has both function and form. This is a petty way of justifying LOOK AT ME mods.

I think the question people need to ask themselves is this: "What is my cars function?"

Depending on the answer, how you mod it should be clear.

If you intend to improve the performance of your car in order to make it faster and more enjoyable to drive then it's quite obvious how you should modify it. Personally I subscribe to this camp.

Of course if you perceive your car as a fashion accessory in the same vane as an Ed Hardy t-shirt where it's function is to turn heads and get you attention, then the cars function is to look good and you should mod appropriately.

Of course this won't stop me laughing at people for blatently expressing how materialistic they are, but then again, who am I to judge people and what they do with their money.

Jet200
27-01-11, 05:09 PM
A car should be good at what its designed to be good at. I don't mind Lexus and BMW VIP/show cars etc but a S15 on the deck with wheel tuck or ridiculous off-set that ruins the handling makes the car perform worse. In my eyes, if something makes a car slower, its ugly. Off-set is fine to a certain point but once it effects tyre fitment and wheel alignment its just poser spec wank. Same with ride height. If you lower it too much, it will handle worse, mcuh worse ( unless you engineer it that way like a race-car, which lets face it, most dont) so I think cars that are "hella sick low yo" are hardparking junk statues.

But, like I said, bagged, blacked out BMWs , Mercs of Lexus VIP cruisers look ,mad. I like them because theyr'e not trying to be performance cars, they're just being better poser cars.

Form follows function. The "JDM Style" and "Hellaflush" styles started from the look of Japanese race and drift cars, which were built to function. Now people make them "look" like they function, but really they are all form. Best example is the current US show cars. They have every top shelf part you can buy for a race car, but polished to perfection and never driven. Brings a tear to my eye. What a waste of performance parts.

If you want to pose, buy a poser car to begin with. If you want to drive, then buy a drivers car and make it drive better.

but then again, just do whatever makes you feel good

kaivearn
27-01-11, 08:01 PM
A quote i read from somewhere...
"Performance trumps looks everytime. Just ask the next woman you sleep with."

cobby
27-01-11, 11:33 PM
I'm with the Function = Form theory. I also believe that this is one of the biggest influences to the "stance" movement. A time attack car is built with the sole purpose, or "function", to go fast on a track. When this car fulfills its purpose, it takes on a certain form, only truly achievable by means of this function.
Same theory applies to any car. A drift car, either a daily or a competition-built car, takes on it's own form when it's in action. Even show cars aren't solely form, as it is their function to catch the attention of onlookers at shows and what not. Cars with fully sick sub woofers and stereos don't get missed out either. A lot of these cars "function" at sound offs. But the amount of sound equipment in a car is often organised so that the owner is happy with the looks.

[/attemptatwiseasscomment]

dori-slut
12-05-11, 05:26 PM
i think its about having both, in say a drift car you want a lightweight shell you would strip out the interior, but that dosent mean you cant paint it nicely inside, being both form and function, form is to have nice looking parts but you can balance what looks nice and performs its function correctly, a set of carbon fiber dash and door cards look baller as fuck while having the function of being lightweight, also having big wheels that have a nice offset look great but defeat the purpose if there heavy, i gess its mostly about the cost of things, when you buy a proper part that costs more its comes with its own form as people recognise that its "the good shit"
in my opinion its form and function together, or drive a Nissan Tida

dave2221
12-05-11, 05:37 PM
is this thread the dumbest shit going around or what?

The JDMST needs to get off their high horses and grow up.

FORM plays just as much a part in motoring as FUNCTION....

Next stupid topic: Sportmaxx or Equip? AKA the JDM or non-JDM made part

JDMST as a community in general has such a big chip on its shoulder towards anything that is not part of the JDM holy land, and quite frankly its getting tired and cheap.

JDM "style" tuning is NOT a way of life, just a basis of influences that the majority of our cars have, with more emphasis these days on the origin on the car than tha actual modification.

This community would go alot better without these sort of discussions, as they serve no purpose except to create arguments about personal opinions, NOT FACTS.

I see nothing good come out of any of these type of threads on this forum (or any other forum for that matter)

[ IV 23 VI ]
16-05-11, 12:03 AM
A car should be good at what its designed to be good at. I don't mind Lexus and BMW VIP/show cars etc but a S15 on the deck with wheel tuck or ridiculous off-set that ruins the handling makes the car perform worse. In my eyes, if something makes a car slower, its ugly. Off-set is fine to a certain point but once it effects tyre fitment and wheel alignment its just poser spec wank. Same with ride height. If you lower it too much, it will handle worse, mcuh worse ( unless you engineer it that way like a race-car, which lets face it, most dont) so I think cars that are "hella sick low yo" are hardparking junk statues.

But, like I said, bagged, blacked out BMWs , Mercs of Lexus VIP cruisers look ,mad. I like them because theyr'e not trying to be performance cars, they're just being better poser cars.

Form follows function. The "JDM Style" and "Hellaflush" styles started from the look of Japanese race and drift cars, which were built to function. Now people make them "look" like they function, but really they are all form. Best example is the current US show cars. They have every top shelf part you can buy for a race car, but polished to perfection and never driven. Brings a tear to my eye. What a waste of performance parts.

If you want to pose, buy a poser car to begin with. If you want to drive, then buy a drivers car and make it drive better.

but then again, just do whatever makes you feel good

Good post!

HKS200
16-05-11, 08:07 PM
I agree with jet200's post, people don't realise that sometimes when a car is modified/adjusted to a point that its not getting any better but worse. Modifying a car is like a bell curve, you can only mod so far before you fall off the other side of the curve. It's finding that fine balance that is the hardest part. I was speaking to a long standing member here the other night. He had said to me that so many people do a 5 stud conversion on their hondas not realising that if their car is built for performance that your actually stepping backwards in wheel choice as wider wheels in the required diameter is only available in 4 stud. I've always believed in function over form however the trend at the moment is a form bias. Why do race cars have both? they are designed to have both. Their suspension systems are designed to compensate for the ride height so that the geometry is correct and the adjustment that you can get in those cars are a million times more sophisticated then a 3k set of tein coilovers that just give you damper adjustment and height adjustment. Basically what i'm trying to say is, if a car is designed to roll for maximum lateral grip in corners, why stop it? why drop it to the floor for the suspension components to rub against each other and possibly cause damage just so it feels stiff.

but yeah each to their own, some fight for the best form, some fight for the best function, some pursue the fine line in between.

evlgurl
17-05-11, 11:06 AM
I'm with function. I've seen people spend big on building a motor and then not even take it on to the track. Seems like a waste to me if you are not even going to even take it to the drags and just want to brag about the power output.
But I do like a car to look good too.

WIL70S
17-05-11, 11:50 AM
for me its FORM.

i drive my car daily, to & from work plus more..

as much as i want my car to be the power hungry beast it was built to be, I cant justify the amount of money to input in order to gain alot more power just for the streets.

id much rather make my car look nice so I can feel good driving in it..worry about power later on as it is enough for now

ido09s
17-05-11, 12:20 PM
There is no reason you cant have a 750hp street car which can be used on the weekends :D

I believe in both to some degree but driveability is a priority. Its no use having stretched tyres and poking wheels if you cant go round corners at more than 20kph due to tyre/wheel scrub, or the car has wheel alignment angles that create a lack of grip. A car can look good and perform, you just need to be smart about it. Which is why i agree with JET200's comments :D

brasher
17-05-11, 01:51 PM
I thought JET-200 had stickers and decals all over it? Or am I mistaking it with something else. Stickers are not functional, unless they are holding your bodykit on.

big fat paulie
17-05-11, 02:18 PM
I thought JET-200 had stickers and decals all over it? Or am I mistaking it with something else. Stickers are not functional, unless they are holding your bodykit on.

They can serve another function.
They can get you $$ or free shit from the compays whos stickers you have placed on your car.

brasher
17-05-11, 02:41 PM
t(d)ouche paul.

Jays14
18-05-11, 07:24 AM
Half of you all are over thinking it. It's simple do what ever mods or style and build your car the way that it makes you happy and fuck the haters...

Well at lest that's what I do and my way of thinking...

justinspiderholden
18-05-11, 08:13 AM
Half of you all are over thinking it. It's simple do what ever mods or style and build your car the way that it makes you happy and fuck the haters...

Well at lest that's what I do and my way of thinking...

Amen

Do it to make youself happy if your doing it for any other reason well your doing it wrong

Justin Fox
18-05-11, 06:37 PM
I can't wait for the day where I can just concentrate on form and forget "less is more" and "form follows function".

I've been itching to do VIP for years. I want to bag a ride too and get my chassis rails on the ground. I also want to go crazy with graphics on the car. I'm a graphic designer after all!

130iguy
18-05-11, 07:14 PM
I can't wait for the day where I can just concentrate on form and forget "less is more" and "form follows function".

I've been itching to do VIP for years. I want to bag a ride too and get my chassis rails on the ground. I also want to go crazy with graphics on the car. I'm a graphic designer after all!

DO IT

sekii
18-05-11, 07:49 PM
As long as you like what you did to your car it is both function and form.

Nice and simple :)

sekii
18-05-11, 07:50 PM
I can't wait for the day where I can just concentrate on form and forget "less is more" and "form follows function".

I've been itching to do VIP for years. I want to bag a ride too and get my chassis rails on the ground. I also want to go crazy with graphics on the car. I'm a graphic designer after all!


DO IT

+2 :D

rehevoli
06-06-11, 12:23 AM
done form, only did it because i was on p's and no point making my civic go fast, was dumped on bags and dished rims

off my p's, got another car and heading towards function, trackspec ftw!

but driftspec = function & form in harmony?

BURST
06-06-11, 12:52 AM
To everyone that says function, the function of a car CAN be to go fast, handle well around corners, be comfortable and easy to drive. Note the word 'CAN', because this isn't the only function of a car. The function of a car can also be to look good, to have something you enjoy, or a form of self expression. Function does not equal performance. There's more than one way to build a car.

cobby
06-06-11, 07:38 AM
To everyone that says function, the function of a car CAN be to go fast, handle well around corners, be comfortable and easy to drive. Note the word 'CAN', because this isn't the only function of a car. The function of a car can also be to look good, to have something you enjoy, or a form of self expression. Function does not equal performance. There's more than one way to build a car.

/thread

dlai
06-06-11, 02:24 PM
Compromise Function and Form.
You need good performance while looking good :D

bigbaby0223
06-06-11, 11:40 PM
What function? form gives you 10000 million horse power, and faster than the Stig!!

maikulz
16-06-11, 12:12 AM
if: Function > Form
then: Rotas > RAYS ?

function SHOULD = form otherwise the above is righteous =/

dave2221
16-06-11, 09:32 AM
I can't wait for the day where I can just concentrate on form and forget "less is more" and "form follows function".

I've been itching to do VIP for years. I want to bag a ride too and get my chassis rails on the ground. I also want to go crazy with graphics on the car. I'm a graphic designer after all!

Yup

On an black toyota century..... PIMP

jem
12-09-11, 06:16 PM
i reckon it depends on what the owner wants, how much money they have and what type of car they own as well

spamdos
18-09-11, 10:23 PM
Too many factors to sum up, but i guess the what car someone gets would tell us perhaps if they are a form or function guy/girl. But problem is, it's all subjective hence why i think i have both form and function even though i'm sure other people would think i have neither. Not everyone thinks the Rcolt is a looker...hehe, but then again i don't particularly like the dumped and ultra-cambered look. To each, their own. :)

dazz1808
16-02-12, 04:00 AM
Form + Function = Perfect

A mix of both but generally your car has to look good and clean to be liked by yourself. Unless you like Ghetto style cars?
I find function as part of form though... mostly when someone tells you to pop your bonnet open.

gulrez
27-02-12, 09:56 AM
Depends what you do with your car really...if you just love hardparking and want "street cred" then sure you can have all form and really both much with function. For me personally, i think a properly built car should follow the mantra "Form follows Function".

d16ej8
29-02-12, 10:20 PM
form for me, im happy to slow for speedbumps :)

Scandrew
29-02-12, 10:36 PM
Function is form for me. Nothing sexier than a utilitarian street car.

MR2
06-03-12, 09:03 AM
Depends what Function your after... a 100% race car even if you got it rego'd would be irritating and not worth driving on the street. there are different pre-requisites for what's fast on the street and on the track.

I think building a fast street car is the ultimate challenge...so many things to get right, so much to loose if you get it wrong :)

MobiTechi
01-12-13, 04:11 PM
I prefer the best of both worlds.. But I lean towards Form abit more :/

Etho_7
06-01-14, 05:07 PM
I think this topic is being argued the wrong way. If you stick to the definitions of form and function you'll find it hard to differ from the two. Form is how it appears, so if you intend to make it look good, then you want it to perform (function) that way. Whereas a car built for performance will have the form because no matter what, as soon as people see it function they will see its true form.
I think people confuse function with performance and form with style/looks.
Form is how it is perceived, but if it's intended to look good then that is the desired function.
A car does not need to be fast to function, only to do what the owners desire. You can build a car to do a great many things, you can't universally classify what is function in a car. A car does not function if it does not fulfill its purpose.
Style vs Performance will always be up to the individual. I won't compromise performance for something that looks better. But I know plenty that will. But each to their own.
I want my cars to do what I want them to do. They will function how I want, others be damned

SuperSaiyanPenguin
07-01-14, 02:53 AM
^ agree with this

TRPLSX180
07-01-14, 03:21 AM
my car was definitely built for looks over performance.. Stupid low, stupid camber.. pretty much asking to get pulled over, but its how i wanted my car to be.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n106/luke_mclellan/giddyup_zps4801c4f4.jpg

Prancer
07-01-14, 08:10 AM
why did you want to build your car for looks?

CookieMonster
07-01-14, 11:11 AM
why did you want to build your car for looks?

you dont pull bitches with function dont u know

iQlimax
07-01-14, 01:39 PM
Form>function

Bitches love it when you take 10 minutes to crawl over the speed hump at your local maccas drive through.

macaroni
07-01-14, 04:45 PM
I think the younger guys will lean towards form and older guys towards function. Although I've always leaned more towards function, I find myself not giving a crap about stance at all anymore. And not being able to get over speed humps gives me the shits.

sn00ze
07-01-14, 06:59 PM
who gives a fuck really? u can't realistically has a vs between the two, you just build what you want for yourself, I've always had functional cars but now I'm giving the other end of the stick a go, because its what i want to do. I'm a young guy, only 24, but I've seen and reaped the benefits of a functional setup, just wanted to try something new this time round. i don't think age or maturity always has a lot to do with it.

Prancer
07-01-14, 10:37 PM
Yea just brain capacity

How is it a challenge to create a stancey car. Just buy wrong fitting rims and lower till its un driveable

Drifter995
13-01-14, 06:50 PM
I wouldn't say brain capacity has much to do with it... else you could say function is for half wits as well, by means of those bogans who go out with stockies on the ass end, drop massive power in their car, only to do skids and/or go fast, and then end up killing people (obviously, killing and/or crashing doesn't always happen, but it seems to be pretty common)

So, in that sense, it's almost using more brain capacity dropping it on it's tits.
But still, I'm still going both. make it look nice, and drive well as well. It shouldn't be too hard to get it handling nicely at the height I want. wheels and tyres will be the major killer of how it drives

Lekic
22-01-14, 02:09 AM
Improving a cars function improves its drivability and joy while using it for its core dependency - driving. The form does offer the car its own persona in a way, and is truly what distinguishes each car from the rest. Two cars may be tuned down two different avenues, both achieving a grade of performance, but they still seem to be one and the same in their function. Whereas with form, the combinations are limitless.

You can't really have one without the other. For street purposes however, there is only so much function you can have before it's just unusable (unless you're building a track car, of course). Personally, I believe you need a tasteful balance of both, but if I had to choose, I would pick a great looking stock car with killer function upgrades over a nugget that looks sick.

BOSSR
17-03-14, 11:40 PM
Best of both worlds.