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WIL70S
20-01-11, 01:58 PM
Im not really into sex spec cars but i must admit there are some that are built really well.

My question is why is there so much hate or criticsms towards the sex spec community?

From what I've previously read on this forum, didnt sex spec derive from the JDM VIP scene? (large wheels, ridiculous camber etc)

I'll point out some examples of the hate towards the sex spec community and ask some sub questions below aswell

1. I've seen people complain about sex spec cars having LARGE HEAVY chrome wheels. Well, I've seen alot of JDM cars who put on ridiculously large rims for the size of their car aswell. Eg. Ek civic with 16x9.5 rims. would you say thats sex spec or is it not sex spec because the brand of the wheels is reputable among other car enthusiasts?

2. People complaining about pointless mods such as tv's in the back seat or subs filling up the whole boot. JDM cars also have pointless mods on their cars such as tow hooks, 'domos' hanging from the rear bumper or even defi gauges. Wouldn't you say these are all 'wank factor' mods and that these mods are all equally useless. But in saying that, why so much hate towards sex spec cars with those supposed useless mods? Once again, is it okay for us JDM people to do this just because the brand of these mods are from a reputable company among car enthusiasts?

I just find it stupid, that msot people ont his forum scream out 'yuck' or 'disgusted' when a sex spec car picture is shown ont his forum. Why all the hate when JDM styled cars are equally as disgusting or ridiculous?

PS this doesnt relate to ALL jdm or sex spec cars. This is just a generalisation. I'm not here to start an argument. Justw ant to know why all the biased criticsms towards that community and the reasons behind it?

blackthunder
20-01-11, 02:05 PM
in b4 lock

Prancer
20-01-11, 02:07 PM
+1

UFO8MYCAT
20-01-11, 02:08 PM
Im not really into sex spec cars but I must admit there are some that are built really well.

My question is why is there so much hate or criticisms towards the sex spec community?

From what I've previously read on this forum, didn't sex spec derive from the JDM VIP scene? (large wheels, ridiculous camber etc)

I'll point out some examples of the hate towards the sex spec community and ask some sub questions below aswell

1. I've seen people complain about sex spec cars having LARGE HEAVY chrome wheels. Well, I've seen alot of JDM cars who put on ridiculously large rims for the size of their car aswell. Eg. Ek civic with 16x9.5 rims. Would you say thats sex spec or is it not sex spec because the brand of the wheels is reputable among other car enthusiasts?

2. People complaining about pointless mods such as tv's in the back seat or subs filling up the whole boot. JDM cars also have pointless mods on their cars such as tow hooks, 'domos' hanging from the rear bumper or even defi gauges. Wouldn't you say these are all 'wank factor' mods and that these mods are all equally useless. But in saying that, why so much hate towards sex spec cars with those supposed useless mods? Once again, is it okay for us JDM people to do this just because the brand of these mods are from a reputable company among car enthusiasts?

I just find it stupid, that most people on this forum scream out 'yuck' or 'disgusted' when a sex spec car picture is shown ont his forum. Why all the hate when JDM styled cars are equally as disgusting or ridiculous?

PS this doesn't relate to ALL jdm or sex spec cars. This is just a generalisation. I'm not here to start an argument. Just want to know why all the biased criticisms towards that community and the reasons behind it?

Fixed. :)

JDM-20L
20-01-11, 02:12 PM
I dunno mate? I see what you are saying and agree, it doesn't seem matter what circle your in either? automotive style seems to separate people just like religion!

Best if you don't try and understand you will just give yourself brain damage! lol, everyone jumps on the bandwagon of hate no matter what!

I don't know why? Don't care!

Modified
20-01-11, 02:13 PM
This topic of conversation has been covered pretty often on this forum dude.

To use a qoute from nissansilvia.com

"Do a search noob"

EDIT: That was a pretty dick thing to say, but yeh, topic has been done to death before in te Sex Spec appreciation thread, plus others.

At the end of the day, who gives a flying fuck how people mod their car. I do see where you are coming from with the point you made on wheels though.

JDM Style seems to be the new sexspec. George St now has cars with candy paint, vinyl interiors and Tempe 'JDM Style Race wheels'. But then that ties in to the fake vs replica Points of View, which is another thing that has been discussed on here.

UFO8MYCAT
20-01-11, 02:13 PM
What car do you drive WIL-70S?

Prancer
20-01-11, 02:16 PM
f

brasher
20-01-11, 02:16 PM
before this turns into a shitfight.

Do what you want to your car, if you want a whales foreskin gearknob and a picture of Michael Douglas airbrushed on your bonnet, or a stripped out racecar that will never see a track then so be it. But putting people down over their pride and joy is just plain gay.

In short, Haters gonna hate.

Babalouie
20-01-11, 02:22 PM
I'll let this thread run, but keep it civil guys.

Prancer
20-01-11, 02:30 PM
The thing that confuses me is that you come here as a new member going oh hey lets join JDMST then wonder why we hate sex specced cars

Japanese Domestic Market Style Tuning

you could say sex spec derived from vip but the thing is that they use cheap copy parts which do not support the JDM scene at all

well thats why i hate on them, because all the sex spec cars are usually just made of cheap china copy parts or full sick chrome

Prancer
20-01-11, 02:37 PM
Ok boss

? this also confuses me

Justin Fox
20-01-11, 02:43 PM
Also, not EVERYONE on this forum hates Sex Spec. I personally don't hate it and last time I checked I kinda sometimes run this place!

harris
20-01-11, 02:43 PM
It's funny how people say they idolise Japan then bandwagon and hate anything with neons and scissor doors when the Japanese car scene has lots of respect and diversity.

In daikoku futo there are cars with neons scissor doors, airbrushing tvs.

I can appreciate a well done sex spec car minus the cheap parts they usually use so long as it's themed well.

Big 22 inch wheels on a sports car with a bodykit is not themed well but on a 300c or something like that it is. Why hate on that?

I don't see how a simple airbrushed bonnet or scissor doors is the most disgusting thing in the world when hella flush wheels, rust and sticker bombed gaurds is considered cool.

Australia needs to stop sack riding the latest trends and learn to respect cars for their theme and quality like Japan does.

I will also post a pic of some rice cars at Daikoku Futo just to stir things up.

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7752/daikokufutohondacivics.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/daikokufutohondacivics.jpg/)

CaptainColen
20-01-11, 03:09 PM
I reckon they (^) look pretty good, however, Australian ricer or sex spec cars (that you see on a day to day basis, NOT the rare, decent ones) are not done anywhere near as well as that. At least those Honda's are not trying to hide the fact that they are all show and no go.

Paoooul
20-01-11, 03:10 PM
Harris just broke so many fan boy's hearts. THE MOTHERLAND HAS BETRAYED US

*throws half cage, Rays wheels and defi's in the bin*

Prancer
20-01-11, 03:14 PM
*buys scissor doors

JDMScissorT

clutch-monkey
20-01-11, 03:25 PM
i just don't find sex spec cars appealing or good looking in any way. i don't begrudge their owners for spending their time and money doing what they want though.
although it does seem more "look at me"

xsoarerx
20-01-11, 03:30 PM
*Install's TV's into, headrests, sun visors, glove box, engine bay, on both sides of the single rear seat conversion and into the centers of my Crystal vault 17x7's.

jdmstV

:P

http://site.oohnohedidnt.com/images/ricer_civic_2.jpg
http://spf.fotolog.com/photo/47/13/48/maiicoll_16/1252895570719_f.jpg

The Panda
20-01-11, 03:34 PM
Its been said before, for the most part its not the cars that people rag on, but the owners of said cars.

A chromed out bimmer with a shit paint job and some pork chop leaning out the window yelling "wanna root" is about as appealing as nuclear war.

xsoarerx
20-01-11, 03:40 PM
lol... the appealing thing about it is chicks know that the sex spec cars cost alot of cash... and women like shiny things

remember watching/reading all the old high octane, hot 4, HPI etc... vids and mags and seeing the money that went into some of the cars.
sure guys did/do it on the cheap but building a car with pretty much custom everything adds up.

JDM Obsession
20-01-11, 03:44 PM
If you are building or modifying or buying a car purely to increase your appeal to women...

...you're doing it wrong.

WIL70S
20-01-11, 03:44 PM
[QUOTE=harris;860439]I don't see how a simple airbrushed bonnet or scissor doors is the most disgusting thing in the world when hella flush wheels, rust and sticker bombed gaurds is considered cool.

Australia needs to stop sack riding the latest trends and learn to respect cars for their theme and quality like Japan does.



thats exactly what im talkign about!! WHYYY IS THIS THE CASE

Prancer
20-01-11, 03:44 PM
i think the worst part is all the owners provide is the $$ without actually understanding anything about their cars or how things work

its like hey queen street get me chicks, heres money, then they hang out windows yelling at females

then drive past me and ask if its turbo and to give it a hit

WIL70S
20-01-11, 03:45 PM
What car do you drive WIL-70S?

i drive an 03 sti

WIL70S
20-01-11, 03:48 PM
i think the worst part is all the owners provide is the $$ without actually understanding anything about their cars or how things work

its like hey queen street get me chicks, heres money, then they hang out windows yelling at females

then drive past me and ask if its turbo and to give it a hit

although this is a bit stereotypical, you do have a fair point.

most of them have the cash to spend big on their cars however they do not think thoroughly on how they should spend that cash on their vehicles

clutch-monkey
20-01-11, 03:48 PM
lol... the appealing thing about it is chicks know that the sex spec cars cost alot of cash... and women like shiny things

haha that's sort of what i meant.. it's like they're building it for attention?

i think the worst part is all the owners provide is the $$ without actually understanding anything about their cars or how things work

and making the car functionally worse in every aspect.
which is fine for some lancer or commodore. but it makes me cringe when you see an rx7 or similar gone to 'waste' thanks to sex spec?

Paoooul
20-01-11, 03:53 PM
On second thoughts I can't be assed.

bluesprinter
20-01-11, 03:59 PM
fail thread, dont like, dont post...thread should be closed, both party will get no where...

Do what you want and people will judge you for better or worse, har har harden the F up

Prancer
20-01-11, 03:59 PM
although this is a bit stereotypical, you do have a fair point.

most of them have the cash to spend big on their cars however they do not think thoroughly on how they should spend that cash on their vehicles

Yes it is stereotypical but so was your OP

xsoarerx
20-01-11, 03:59 PM
If you are building, modifying or buying a car and women have an increased appeal to you...

...you're doing it right.

fixed :P Bahahahahaha

xsoarerx
20-01-11, 04:10 PM
i remember watching (correct me if im wrong with the name) Serious Performance DVD. they used to get guys with there show cars to come out to track....

Zkk7caFGr8w

clutch-monkey
20-01-11, 04:23 PM
lmao that vid is awesome. go the starlet! RB20 and CA18 'big guns' :D
lol swift, wheelie bars/parachute and 140hp hahaha

Zc1600
20-01-11, 04:24 PM
sexspec would look good if they had decent fitment! seeing 20x7 inch isnt appealing lol..

xsoarerx
20-01-11, 04:24 PM
and street driven with wheelie bar

EPIC LOL"S!!!

clutch-monkey
20-01-11, 04:27 PM
and street driven with wheelie bar

EPIC LOL"S!!!
props to the guy for putting it on the track though haha

xsoarerx
20-01-11, 04:35 PM
funnest bit was when he said "handles really well" while wheelie bar screams in the back ground.

hahahaha

hard to have wide wheels when you have 20's on a civic, a local tyre store had a VL turbo project and put 24's on it. air bags completely bottoming out and still sat at legal hight.

hawkeye
20-01-11, 04:35 PM
You have to admire his spirit i guess! lol at him not wearing a seatbelt

Dels
20-01-11, 04:38 PM
I can appreciate the work that goes into the cars, but it's just not my cup of tea.

There's always going to be a judgement war between the two extremes no matter which 'side' your on.
Its just a difference in opinion.

I've learnt to accept it, and whenever the debate between the modifying worlds arise, I simply bite my lip. Its usually not worth the effort.

DreadAngel
20-01-11, 04:44 PM
OOOooo hate is a strong word to use...

Try, "Not my taste" or "Wouldn't tap it"...

Though kinda hard to express ourselves with words... Now if someone when "I ****en HATE sexspec" then yeah, hate there otherwise people just sayin' they don't like it. You're kinda kidding yourself to 'fit' into an specialised forum with something you know doesn't sit very well with that crowd.

Sterotypical/Generalisation Hypothical: It's like a Silvia owner rocking up to EvolutionOz and saying why you bashin' my drift pig...

That's why people claiming others to be Haters don't make sense to me, they make themselves different/oppose to the masses then cry foul when they don't get accepted. Stupid if you ask me...

And yes, I don't like Sexspec (My idea of it)... But I like Bippu, go figure that out, its not hard ;)

bluesprinter
20-01-11, 05:29 PM
pussy or asshole? kinda runs with this topic ay? lol

046
20-01-11, 06:13 PM
I agree with OP...

what shits me most is the hypocritical attitude of some people, on either JDM or sex spec 'side'....

both styles have stupid, pointless aspects...... but you get people from either side hypocritically bagging out the other, while they themselves have similar crap.

THAT'S what I hate.

can't we all just get along??

The Stig
20-01-11, 06:23 PM
This will most likely end up like the "Sex Spec Appreciation Thread" - Closed...

philz
20-01-11, 06:57 PM
can't we all just get along??

No, the world doesn't work like that.

sinista
20-01-11, 07:49 PM
Though the trends have changed aswell.....people have gotten over this sex spec fad that went about just like the fad of veilside kits on R33s etc. People are now after a clean looking car that absolutely anyone can appreciate even the police (to some extent). I personally never ever got into sex spec and its not my thing and the stereo typical owners that emerged from it.

The_Giefster
20-01-11, 08:45 PM
I know which one I would rather drive!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/Rolla_Boy/Toyo%20Drift%20-%20Eastern%20Creek/IMG_2924copy.jpg

http://www.alien2nrs.com/blog/uploaded_images/1229804296-701030.jpg

llama_au
20-01-11, 09:08 PM
You have to admire his spirit i guess! lol at him not wearing a seatbelt

That's it. He's certainly determined, you've got to give him that.

dimi_108
20-01-11, 09:20 PM
After Ryan's post, nothing else needs to be said.

philz
21-01-11, 12:38 AM
Wow that was 2006... I thought it was 99

harris
21-01-11, 01:29 AM
haha that's sort of what i meant.. it's like they're but it makes me cringe when you see an rx7 or similar gone to 'waste' thanks to sex spec?

That's the thing I don't get.
Yeah its kinda a waste of a sports car but the thing is importers bring in cars all the time just to totally a disasemble and destroy it to sell for parts but nobody has a problem with this. Why?

And it's not just importers that do this either.

Someone can make a sex spec show car out of a car that is on it last legs and nearly ready for the wreckers and people will still go "oh no you ruined that poor car."

I'm not a fan of sex spec cars but this is just my point of view.

Car entusiasts will always be divided.
Someone who belives in function disliking a sex spec car is like a restorer hating hotroders in a way.

sinista
21-01-11, 07:07 AM
Go I love the D CUPS RX7...absolute perfection

brasher
21-01-11, 08:22 AM
off the top of my head, that Green RX7 posted has a 600+rwhp Rotormaster engine in it. It's quite an animal.

Modified
21-01-11, 08:54 AM
Go I love the D CUPS RX7...absolute perfection

The following is just my opinion. But I've got my flame suit on, so cut sick.

Dude, D CUPS was built with a SexSpec mentality. Chester never took it to the track, never really drove it on the street at all. It was a show car.

The only difference is, he used parts from Japan.

I've never met the dude, but reading through his build thread, 'getting new wheels so I can have a magazine shoot', just seems like a sex-spec mentality to me. It was all about the attention the car recieved, not about the actual car itself. But becuase it has JDM parts, its exempt from the 'show cars arent cool on this forum' mentality.

Blows my mind. Dont get me wrong, if Biggie rocked up to me and said 'We want your car on the cover' I wouldnt say no. But to go and build a car just so you can get a magazine cover is a concept I dont understand.

And thats really the biggest problem I have with SexSpec cars/builders. The majority of them all seem to build a car only to get attention, from other drivers, females, where-ever.

That, and I cant see whats so innovative about putting a TV in the front bar. Otherwise, the paint that goes into SexSpec cars is generally beyond impressive. Some of the paintjobs (not the airbrushing and all that, but the actual paint, like candys and things) are actually fucking cool.

RB_LOVE
21-01-11, 09:17 AM
Its been said before, for the most part its not the cars that people rag on, but the owners of said cars.
A chromed out bimmer with a shit paint job and some pork chop leaning out the window yelling "wanna root" is about as appealing as nuclear war.

In my opinion, you hit the nail on the head with that first line.

Most of the "Lulz" in the sex spec appreciation thread was had over things like "OMG Uleh" rather than "those wheels make the car impractical".

People feel a sense of ownership over Japanese cars on this forum, and eventually as "teh fully sick boys" catch on to the JDM "Style", people will get off it because they don't want to be viewed in the same socioclass as those guys.

Very simple (in my opinion anyways), most people who hate on sex spec just do it because they feel they are of a higher caliber than "teh fully sick boys" -and have a need to express that.

Andy Wana
21-01-11, 09:40 AM
As a general question, does it have to be tracked to be appreciated?
The thing that separates the good cars and your average Ricer/Sex Spec is this thing called TASTE and PURSUIT FOR QUALITY.
Not everyone gets it and money won't buy it. It's acquired through creativity and understanding of the lingo/visual/culture of the modded car world.
For this very reason I can appreciate the JDM cars (not all of them, mind you), Hot Rods and yes, even some Sex Spec/ Show cars.

It's about understanding how the aftermarket/OEM parts will contribute to the overall look and feel to the car.
It's the minute details like the colour of the toggle switches, the colour scheme of the wheel to the car, the offset of the wheels, the design of the wheel, the perforated leather and red stitching on the steering wheel, the way the carbon dashboard blends with the interior, the quality of the body kit fitment, the colour of your seats, the material of your seat, the colour scheme of your gauges, the feel and look of your gear knob, etc.

Even if the car is a pig spec underground dorifto special, the good examples have a COHESIVE and APPEALING (very loosely termed here) visual language that most enthusiasts can appreciate. Everyone loves cars like JF's GTR32, Bab's Hako and Chester's D Cups RX7 because of these very reasons. They go to the minute details and they make the visuals work. They make driveable arts on wheels. They understand the culture, they understand the style, they go for quality parts .... am I making sense at this point? They take something stock and make it better from all aspects, and majority of people who are into JDM will recognise them as great examples.

No one disputes the quality of some Sex Spec cars, especially the leather work or the paint jobs .... but do most of them go for the details? I am afraid not. Colour schemes are thrown out the door. Ergonomics? Forget it (i.e. LCD screen at your crotch), Details? Big ass brake boiler chrome wheels ruin driveability I am afraid. Disco ball and strobe lights in a Mitsubishi Evolution? What's the point? Cheap wheels that fractured after a minor pothole or 1-2 yrs of use? Why skip on quality?

Good modified cars still have some value when they are sold second hand, the ones we critique and 'hate' usually have little value in the second hand market. The public ain't dumb.

Proof of good Sex Spec "look at me" car? This ...

http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20101007/bmw_m3_09.jpg

http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20101007/bmw_m3_03.jpg

http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20101007/bmw_m3_13.jpg

http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20101007/bmw_m3_04.jpg

http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20101007/bmw_m3_05.jpg

http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20101007/bmw_m3_11.jpg

If the Sex Spec mob can fathom and understand what makes a good sex spec car, I am sure we can appreciate it.

wal32r
21-01-11, 09:45 AM
How are Defi gauges as "equally useless" as TVs in headrests?

bluesprinter
21-01-11, 09:49 AM
^ what he said (andy wana) ...this is the very clear bottom line to this JDM vs Sex Spec thread

RB_LOVE
21-01-11, 09:59 AM
Andy, very well put!

Babalouie
21-01-11, 10:10 AM
off the top of my head, that Green RX7 posted has a 600+rwhp Rotormaster engine in it. It's quite an animal.


As a general question, does it have to be tracked to be appreciated?
The thing that separates the good cars and your average Ricer/Sex Spec is this thing called TASTE and PURSUIT FOR QUALITY.


^ what he said (andy wana) ...this is the very clear bottom line to this JDM vs Sex Spec thread

These guys have it. Plenty of hyper-engineered drag cars are done in a sex spec style, so you can't really generalise that they are all about show rather than go. And I would think that an owner of a sex spec car with sunken wheels, shakes his head when he sees the mangled wheelarches from a JDM-styled car with lots of dish. And you have to admit, that when it comes to certain things, there is a lot about our scene which is highly impractical and more about looks than function.

It's really all about the aesthetic...you guy simply don't like the way the look, and there's nothing wrong with that, we're all allowed to have preferences.

harris
21-01-11, 10:38 AM
Hot4s magazine has jumped onto the offset and stance loving bandwagon now to.
So yeah the whole stance thing is becoming so much less unique.

WIL70S
21-01-11, 11:18 AM
funny how people are complaing about the way sex spec cars look..thought you guys were more into the functionality of these vehicles?
the engine work put into these cars are just as good if not better than the quality builds we have in jdm cars!

WIL70S
21-01-11, 11:23 AM
fail thread, dont like, dont post...thread should be closed, both party will get no where...

Do what you want and people will judge you for better or worse, har har harden the F up

why did you post then

WIL70S
21-01-11, 11:24 AM
I agree with OP...

what shits me most is the hypocritical attitude of some people, on either JDM or sex spec 'side'....

both styles have stupid, pointless aspects...... but you get people from either side hypocritically bagging out the other, while they themselves have similar crap.

THAT'S what I hate.

can't we all just get along??

STI owners should stick toegther right? haha :p

bluesprinter
21-01-11, 12:11 PM
why did you post then

cause im entitled to do whatever i like and say whatever i want...nothing wrong with what i said otherwise it would have been removed by the mods or i would of gotten banned from the forum..

perfect example of another 2cents that is said and no one really gives a tuts about..

exactly why you do what you want with your car and people will talk about it or just wont even bother, in this case, i bothered =]

Andy Wana
21-01-11, 12:21 PM
funny how people are complaing about the way sex spec cars look..thought you guys were more into the functionality of these vehicles?
the engine work put into these cars are just as good if not better than the quality builds we have in jdm cars!

I'd like to think that most (not all) of us here do care about the functionality of our vehicles.
Engine work in sex spec cars is one thing, but put it in a turd of a body with no thoughts for its modification/aesthetics ... and it becomes a half arsed excuse of a car.

Andy Wana
21-01-11, 12:25 PM
Case in point:

Interior for a Mustang ...
http://www.stupidvehicles.com/images/2009/march/mustang_interior.jpg

Who cares if it theoratically has 800hp on tap, the thing will be dismissed as rubbish from the moment someone looked at its interior.

Andy Wana
21-01-11, 12:35 PM
http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/1968_Toyota_Sports_800_Coupe_Grid_on_Track_1.jpg

On the other hand, this car may have 80hp on tap but I'd drive this any day over a poorly thought out and executed 800hp sex spec monster. The colour choice is a homage to the Toyota 2000GT that ran the 1967 Fuji 24 hr, period correct wheels, cheeky mods and lights ... but all in all ... it's somewhat fitting to what the car is.

Jays14
21-01-11, 01:06 PM
Of cause a good car is better if it looks good.

People like a track car that looks good more than they like a track car that dosent look good.

Peope like a show car that's tracked more than one that just looks good.

You can argue it all you want but people like diffrent things and it's the way it is, no point thinking too much into it.

mig
21-01-11, 01:37 PM
Clean, comfortable, simple cars FTW!...nothing too extreme.

- Basic lip kit
- decent wheels
- 1-2 inch drop (not slammed)
- quality engine mods, not some horrible and loud Ebay milo can.
- And other small bits and pieces to finish your ride off nicely.

KEV248
21-01-11, 02:13 PM
If everyone had the same taste in cars, the scene would be a very boring place to be. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and tastes in cars. Just cause you dont like something, doesnt mean you can slag the fuck of it?

The funny thing is the term "Sexspec" was started out as a joke amongest a group of mates who enjoyed modifing cars to take to shows like Autosalon. The whole fancy, flashy paint job, big chrome wheels, stereos which have higher db then the cars hp, etc....its just funny how mainstream that terms has become now.

At the end of the day, i respect all walks of the modifiying scene cause im a car enthusiast. Just cause i dont like something in particular doesnt mean im going to hate on it, i respect that the owner has built the car the way he wanted to go with it. All true car enthusiasts would be in the same boat. I love JDM style cars as much as i love Sexspec.

Problem is today though, people are taking these JDM style cars and trying to turn them into Sexspec and failing! To me, Sexspec belongs on certain cars, like Audi's, BMWs, Mercs, etc. JDM is for jap performance cars. Cars which belong on the track, built for performance. They dont have to look good, but they have the balls to go good!!

Ive only seen a small handful of cars in the scene who have tried to mix the 2 and have succedded!! 3 off the top of my head now would be Chester's old RX7 "DCUPS", Aaron's "FAT78U" RX7 which was recently re-done by Queen Street Customs and Natalie's "MISSR" Integra. The only reason i say MISSR is that she has been doing the Autosalon show series for a number of years now and is always doing well at those shows!

Ive had my fun in the "Sexspec" scene with my Audi, but im selling it and moving onto something more practical, and to be honest, the JDM bug is starting to catch on with myself and im wanting to do something JDM. Times change, people change. Unfortunately the whole "Sexspec" scene is starting to die out as much as i admit to hate it. Its full of these young, hetick, P Platers that chop springs, throw big chrome wheels and dump a massive stereo on their car and they are cruising around, giving cops attitude, etc. That and the whole workshop vs. workshop bullshit which is completely childish.

At the end of the day, i have the upmost respect for JDM like i do with Sexspec, Street Machine, Classic, Muscle etc...you can see some crazy things in the different genres, but at the same time, u can see some really horrible things as well.

Thats just my 2c on the topic!

clutch-monkey
21-01-11, 02:26 PM
That's the thing I don't get.
Yeah its kinda a waste of a sports car but the thing is importers bring in cars all the time just to totally a disasemble and destroy it to sell for parts but nobody has a problem with this. Why?
it's like if i bought a GT3RSR, a car built for a purpose, and put chromies/tv's on it until it's no longer fit for it's intended purpose.
this doesn't apply to cars meant for cruising; as kev says, audi's, commodores, all types of saloons etc are not really hampered by the modifications. they can still do what they were built for.
although as said, yeah, you see cars modified up the shitter to full track spec/jdm style or what have you, and all the action they see is parking at the local meets..

If everyone had the same taste in cars, the scene would be a very boring place to be. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and tastes in cars. Just cause you dont like something, doesnt mean you can slag the fuck of it?

Problem is today though, people are taking these JDM style cars and trying to turn them into Sexspec and failing! To me, Sexspec belongs on certain cars, like Audi's, BMWs, Mercs, etc. JDM is for jap performance cars. Cars which belong on the track, built for performance. They dont have to look good, but they have the balls to go good!!


agree completely!

Kin
21-01-11, 02:53 PM
The following is just my opinion. But I've got my flame suit on, so cut sick.
Dude, D CUPS was built with a SexSpec mentality. Chester never took it to the track, never really drove it on the street at all. It was a show car.
The only difference is, he used parts from Japan.
I've never met the dude, but reading through his build thread, 'getting new wheels so I can have a magazine shoot', just seems like a sex-spec mentality to me. It was all about the attention the car recieved, not about the actual car itself. But becuase it has JDM parts, its exempt from the 'show cars arent cool on this forum' mentality.
Blows my mind. Dont get me wrong, if Biggie rocked up to me and said 'We want your car on the cover' I wouldnt say no. But to go and build a car just so you can get a magazine cover is a concept I dont understand.
And thats really the biggest problem I have with SexSpec cars/builders. The majority of them all seem to build a car only to get attention, from other drivers, females, where-ever.
That, and I cant see whats so innovative about putting a TV in the front bar. Otherwise, the paint that goes into SexSpec cars is generally beyond impressive. Some of the paintjobs (not the airbrushing and all that, but the actual paint, like candys and things) are actually fucking cool.

Since you asked for it:
DCUPS was built with intentions of it being a show car; it has nothing to do with Sexspec.
Please define sexspec mentality and contrast that with showcar mentality.
Does every driver have to thrash their car at the track in order to get JDM brownie points?
Does every person have to have cable ties tying their dog ugly cars together to be a sick drifter?
Are JDM cars not permitted to be on covers of magazines because it isn’t the correct mentality as it is now a sex spec mentality show car?
Your opinion is flawed and imho just plain rubbish.

What really gets to me on this forum is so many ppl here think JDM is defined as this this this this. So many ppl think if u have a show car that never sees the track, then you’re not real JDM. And then that JDM is the best and only way to style your car, otherwise it is shit. The rubbishing of other styles annoys me. The way ppl carry on on their high horse thinking this and that sux and isn’t the best and isn’t JDM when really, their own car isn’t much better.

There is no one way to style your car, learn to appreciate other styles too. This is a JDM style forum, fine but please, don’t act so ignorant and intolerant to other styles too.

harris
21-01-11, 03:16 PM
it's like if i bought a GT3RSR, a car built for a purpose, and put chromies/tv's on it until it's no longer fit for it's intended purpose.
this doesn't apply to cars meant for cruising; as kev says, audi's, commodores, all types of saloons etc are not really hampered by the modifications. they can still do what they were built for.
although as said, yeah, you see cars modified up the shitter to full track spec/jdm style or what have you, and all the action they see is parking at the local meets..


agree completely!
Yeah it woulld be bad as hell to see one molested but not as bad as seeing one sex speced.
That car also looks like it's on a completley different level to a common mass produced s15 or something like that.

Tacky trends like hella flush and veilside bodykits come and go but a nice clean and tastefully done car will always look good.

Did you hear the owner of R baby saying that car will go to his son oneday?
I bet he had no idea that in 10 years time or so the car would be considered ridiculous looking and completley out of style.
The 180sx and r32 still look good to this day though.

People will be looking at hella flush car's one day and asking themselves "WTF were the owners thinking?"
Just give it time.

KEV248
21-01-11, 03:35 PM
People will be looking at hella flush car's one day and asking themselves "WTF were the owners thinking?"
Just give it time.

As soon as i saw the "hellaflush" trend starting to take off, i thought that at first...but then i was like....thats fuckin HOT!!!!! I love that trend...

BURST
21-01-11, 03:35 PM
Why do people care so much about what everyone else is doing? Do you own thing and if it makes you happy, thats what matters.

Prancer
21-01-11, 03:39 PM
i very much doubt that hella flush cars will be looked at in that way,

stephen8512
21-01-11, 03:54 PM
lol not this shit again...

sexspec is a loosely defined term. To me, it can also mean those crazy done up cars in Japan with subs and LCD screens

it's probably more like "LebDM". my good lebbo mate agrees with me (and for the record, he hates them).

Candy paint, big chromies, subs and LCD's doesnt constitute it as being LebDM. What makes it LebDM is the shit execution. I.e using ridiculous 22" tempe tyre classics lowered on king springs with a crazy candy paintscheme, chromed engine bay, on your mums toyota camry, retrimmed with snakeskin leather with embossed flames and Isotta steering wheel and gearknob. Execution of this car is shithouse. plain and simple. most of these parts (namely the rims from tempe, or any other place that sell crazy huge heavyass chromies) are usually fake cheap copies. Thus, quality is shit, making the rest of the car look shit, making everyone slag off at it (doesnt give you the right to keep slagging on about it, but you still do it)

Compare that to, say, a JZX100 with 18/19" wheels chrome dish with brushed face lowered on, say, tein monoflex (dunno if there is one for the JZX100 but just for argument sake), candy wine red paintscheme, chromed engine bay on the parts that matter (i.e not the whole bloody thing), interior retrimmed with some black leather in the backseat, maybe 2x bride gias at the front retrimmed in black leather or some shit. Suddenly, everyones having a fap. Why? Execution has been done well with quality mods. Note the word QUALITY.

The guys that drive these LebDM cars are mainly wogs, or rather, those of lebanese, or similar ethnic background. (not to offend anyone who is of that ethnicity here by calling them by such a derrogatory term like "wog" but you know its true. I'm just saying what you're all thinking) And they've all been doing the same thing with every single car (from S2K to RX7 to GTRs to even the excels, barinas and astras) that it all looks the same. Quality speaks for itself. You put quality mods on, it will look good. Not 100% of the time, but perhaps 99.99% of the time. (e.g putting on 17/18" fat chromies on a NA8 MX5 compared to, say, 15" BBS RS or Simmons wheels or Work Equips....all with some dish....even watanabes......instantly the car looks 10000% better)

2GU UP on this forum with his old R32 was a car which he built himself how HE wanted it to. It was a blend of "sexspec" and JDM, which personally i thought was awesome. (ive never met him before and Ive only seen his car from the pics posted on this forum + build thread). From memory he had an RB26 with various JDM parts, interior retrimmed in tan or white leather or something and 19 or 20" genuine AME modelart chromies (JDM wheel). Now, it didnt appeal to everyone even though it had some awesome parts and thing done to it but most respected it because it had JDM functionality with his own touches regarding the candy red paintjob and also interior retrim. Why is that?

Basically, JDM "sexspec" is alright and LebDM "sexspec" is shithouse. This is the argument and has always been so since forever.

At the end of the day, if you dont like it, you dont like it. Simple.

stephen8512
21-01-11, 04:09 PM
The following is just my opinion. But I've got my flame suit on, so cut sick.

Dude, D CUPS was built with a SexSpec mentality. Chester never took it to the track, never really drove it on the street at all. It was a show car.

The only difference is, he used parts from Japan.

I've never met the dude, but reading through his build thread, 'getting new wheels so I can have a magazine shoot', just seems like a sex-spec mentality to me. It was all about the attention the car recieved, not about the actual car itself. But becuase it has JDM parts, its exempt from the 'show cars arent cool on this forum' mentality.

Blows my mind. Dont get me wrong, if Biggie rocked up to me and said 'We want your car on the cover' I wouldnt say no. But to go and build a car just so you can get a magazine cover is a concept I dont understand.

And thats really the biggest problem I have with SexSpec cars/builders. The majority of them all seem to build a car only to get attention, from other drivers, females, where-ever.

That, and I cant see whats so innovative about putting a TV in the front bar. Otherwise, the paint that goes into SexSpec cars is generally beyond impressive. Some of the paintjobs (not the airbrushing and all that, but the actual paint, like candys and things) are actually fucking cool.

I should really read the thread before posting. hahaha!

Agreed 100% with this.

KEV248
21-01-11, 04:22 PM
Basically, JDM "sexspec" is alright and LebDM "sexspec" is shithouse. This is the argument and has always been so since forever.

there is a middle to that as well...perfect example would be SUBLIME...

The owner of SUBLIME is a lebo (and a good mate of mine, he is one of the decent one i know!!) but if you take the time and look at the build quality in that car, is not nowhere near this "LebDM sexspec" style...

The car is built on a Street Machine level, paintwork is flawless, no crazy ass tvs all over the place, a simple stereo setup...he is also probably the only crazy one to do a 20b on a s15 s200sx in the world! Not to mention the tub work, 4 link, 3/4 chassis, etc...i could go on with this car!

There are others out there in which are in this middle, im not arguing with you, im just saying there is more to the sexspec scene then the JDM and the LebDM styles...im aussie/pom and look at my Audi (BALLR), cops are surprised when they see me driving it LOL

Snoop G
21-01-11, 04:31 PM
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/KEV248/Summernats%202011/2cddb7fb.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/KEV248/Summernats%202011/5773ee63.jpg

Woodzy
21-01-11, 04:42 PM
That rear wheel looks horrible.

stephen8512
21-01-11, 04:46 PM
there is a middle to that as well...perfect example would be SUBLIME...

The owner of SUBLIME is a lebo (and a good mate of mine, he is one of the decent one i know!!) but if you take the time and look at the build quality in that car, is not nowhere near this "LebDM sexspec" style...

The car is built on a Street Machine level, paintwork is flawless, no crazy ass tvs all over the place, a simple stereo setup...he is also probably the only crazy one to do a 20b on a s15 s200sx in the world! Not to mention the tub work, 4 link, 3/4 chassis, etc...i could go on with this car!

There are others out there in which are in this middle, im not arguing with you, im just saying there is more to the sexspec scene then the JDM and the LebDM styles...im aussie/pom and look at my Audi (BALLR), cops are surprised when they see me driving it LOL

THeres the key word again : QUALITY. Yes, I agree with you. Sublime truly is...sublime! Quality in every sense of the word. But how many times do you see a sexspec car like this on george st? Next to none. He (your mate) fits in that category where he's done something original with quality craftsmanship. (theres that word again). As I said before, candy paint and interior retrims does not constitute it as being "sexspec". It's the execution of the mods on the car which either make it good or a pile of dogshit

What people have beef about is the common mods that a LebDM sexspec car has (i.e 20x7 fake chromies from tempe or someshit like that lowered on king springs or chopped springs, with crazy airbrushing, massive subs and LCD everything) It's these type of cars we see normally on the roads, not like your mates. Not only that, its done on cars ranging from R34 GTR's to cars like a toyota corolla or a hyundai excel. And THIS is what people are slagging off. Theres TOO MANY cars (big and small) which all exhibit the same shithouse mods with the same big 20-22inch chrome rims etc. If the "sexspec" cars all had the quality and craftsmanship of sublime, I doubt there would be THIS much bashing going on...

RB_LOVE
21-01-11, 04:46 PM
LOL @ Stephen regarding "lebDM" - taking the literal perspective of the term reminded me of a funny article I once read:

http://www.onlineweblibrary.com/blog/?p=940

VTECMACHINE
21-01-11, 06:49 PM
I prefer Sex Spec tbh.

mig
21-01-11, 07:08 PM
wtf...is that rear wheel like -50 offset or something?

tiksie
21-01-11, 07:10 PM
wtf...is that rear wheel like -50 offset or something?

........................................ :facepalm:

mig
21-01-11, 07:12 PM
........................................ :facepalm:

lol.. I have no idea to be honest...so what are the specs of that rear wheel?

llama_au
21-01-11, 07:31 PM
Negative offets sit the wheel out not in :P

Oxer
21-01-11, 07:38 PM
Negative offets sit the wheel out not in :P

Just because the wheel is inside the guard doesnt mean its positive offset. :rolleyes:


That wheel would be around -20 to -30 easily.

harris
21-01-11, 08:41 PM
i very much doubt that hella flush cars will be looked at in that way,

Just like the owner of R BABY wouldn't of thought his car will look bad ten years later.

KEV248
21-01-11, 08:56 PM
That rear wheel looks horrible.

whats horrible about it? just asking...

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/KEV248/Melbourne%20Autosalon%202010/IMG_4899.jpg

as u can see, it sits right in there, there are massively wide!!

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/KEV248/Melbourne%20Autosalon%202010/IMG_4901.jpg

llama_au
21-01-11, 09:09 PM
Just because the wheel is inside the guard doesnt mean its positive offset. :rolleyes:


That wheel would be around -20 to -30 easily.

That's not what I was saying. Nevermind.

INVSBL
21-01-11, 09:46 PM
sex spec, at least in melbourne is usually just a cheap, poor thought out attempt at bringing jap VIP cars to aussie shores.

biggest outside difference from vip cars and sex spec is that the people who builds sex spec cars dont have the balls to run demon camber and still be flush.

and before you say thats bullshit,

have a proper look at vip,

their interiors are decked out 'Bentley' style, and the cars are all low as fook.

RA23GT
21-01-11, 09:52 PM
i half agree with the OP, when i first joined here i was very tempted to just leave because all it seemed like was a big bandwagon, admitedly, a substantial part of it is, but an equally large pertion is made up of people with a genuine interest in JDM "Style" (if that is actually definable)
maybe its the same with sexspec, all we see are copycat douches acting like tools and a huge lack of....Automotive sympathy, but i bet there a guys in the scene with a real love of the style aswell, its all relative.
the term sex-spec makes me cringe though...wtf, who came up with that

obs55v
21-01-11, 09:55 PM
meh who cares opinions are like bum holes everyones got one
its been said many times over and over again if you dont like it and its not ures look away simple
:)

The_Giefster
21-01-11, 10:37 PM
Hi KEV248. I find your A4 and the Sublime S15 absolutely horrendous. I'm not have in a go at you or your friend, I just really do not like the style and modifications of those cars.

I think it is the fact that the Sublime S15 has doors that open the wrong way and a boot that opens the wrong way. Why would you do that? The wheels look really silly.

I really love the colour though. The green is superb.

But what is the purpose of the car? Is it a drag car? Does he drive it on the streets? Or is it a show car where he spent alot of money for a few trophies.

Woodzy
21-01-11, 10:39 PM
whats horrible about it? just asking...

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/KEV248/Melbourne%20Autosalon%202010/IMG_4899.jpg

as u can see, it sits right in there, there are massively wide!!

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/KEV248/Melbourne%20Autosalon%202010/IMG_4901.jpg

Looks like it could be used as a small swimming pool

stephen8512
21-01-11, 10:40 PM
sex spec, at least in melbourne is usually just a cheap, poor thought out attempt at bringing jap VIP cars to aussie shores.

agreed with this. not all of course, but vast majority


biggest outside difference from vip cars and sex spec is that the people who builds sex spec cars dont have the balls to run demon camber and still be flush.

Its not that they dont have the balls to, but most of the fully hektiks that have lebdm dont know and/or dont care about camber or offset......if you havent noticed, they interested in SIZE....20, 22, 24....camber, offset and all that bullshit is piss to them. (again, generalising, but vast majority dont give a rats arse about the technicals behind a wheel)

They generally dont care about the mechanics and rather they spend their time on learning about subs, interior retrims and colour schemes. I bet you the lebdm sexspec boys are far better at that than JDM attention seekers. Main reason (again, generalising massively) is that they like to pull chicks with these sorts of cars. what do chicks like? someone said it before...big shiny things and a candy paintjob, something like turqoise or watever the fk that colour is....baby pink/blue metallics, candy apple red, lime green. etc etc.

Guys interested in JDM are interested in functionality are more interested in just that....function over form. learning how something works, camber, offset, all that stuff. Im prepared to say that someone who is into that stuff (studying up on camber, flush fitment, etc) will more often that not, have a more mechanically sound mind than one whose aim is to get the fattest chromies on with the wildest paintjob..

clutch-monkey
21-01-11, 10:59 PM
Just like the owner of R BABY wouldn't of thought his car will look bad ten years later.

exactly
i can easily see some of the herrafrush cars, narrow tires stretched over wide rims (that 195 on 10" wide rim comes to mind..) being ridiculed in a few years..

saad
21-01-11, 11:04 PM
The s15 is horrible. Really, I mean wtf. There are some FANTASTIC sex spec cars, liek that purple IS250, but most of them show that money doesnt buy taste. 'SUBLIME' is far from such, and Im sure the owner dropped well over 100k into his ride.

harris
21-01-11, 11:26 PM
The s15 is horrible. Really, I mean wtf. There are some FANTASTIC sex spec cars, liek that purple IS250, but most of them show that money doesnt buy taste. 'SUBLIME' is far from such, and Im sure the owner dropped well over 100k into his ride.

I don't see how its horrible.
Looks like a hotrod quality build with billet wheels to me.

stephen8512
22-01-11, 12:02 AM
The s15 is horrible. Really, I mean wtf. There are some FANTASTIC sex spec cars, liek that purple IS250, but most of them show that money doesnt buy taste. 'SUBLIME' is far from such, and Im sure the owner dropped well over 100k into his ride.

whats so bad about it? only thing i can think of that one can seriously criticize is the rims (as its meant to have that sexspec flavour with the candy paint and such....very minimal airbrushing too)
so what you're really saying is that the rims are horrible, which is subjective anyway....

the craftsmanship and work gone into this as well as the attention to detail is crazy. so i dont really know what you mean by horrible....

if the wheels were ADVAN RZ's or TE37SL's or something i bet you wouldnt say its horrible.

INVSBL
22-01-11, 12:09 AM
this is just a guess,

but i reackon his reqasoning for saying something as harsh as horrible comes down to what he wants from a car.

when someone sees a car as a purely functional object, and see somethign like the rottary s15, they just dont understand it.

the s15s one and only function is good form at a car show, it wouldnt matter if it could make 800hp at the fly of the rotary, run 10s, or power slide 3rd. the fact it wasnt built to ever use more then 100hp, get out of first gear, or ever burn any rubber confuses saad.

i dont understand the car, imo nothing attracts me to it, i hate green, but i respect the work gone into it and id never call it horrible,

just fugly and useless imo, lol.

i wouldnt really call it sex spec though, more just a show car / artwork car.

stephen8512
22-01-11, 12:24 AM
this is just a guess,

but i reackon his reqasoning for saying something as harsh as hobbble comes down to what he wants form a car.


you hit the nail on the head. it does come down to what he wants from a car. isnt that why we do what we do in the first place? thats not the issue. everyone has a voice and can do whatever they want to their own cars. but the reason why lebdm sexspec gets such a bad rep is because of the crap execution of the car....as i said in my earlier posts. (i.e cheap fake copies). You dont even have to go as far as sexspec. have a look at a guy with Skyline R34 GTT's with, say, RAV VORK wheels (TE37 copies) or a S2000 with Ozzy Tyres Advanti's (Advan Kreutzer X copies) . The common thing between these examples are crap cheap parts and poor execution...no matter what side you're on.

How is a rotary S15 any different from a 2JZ S2K (apart from the honda fanboys saying its sacrilege?) and how does it also differ from Top Secret's VQ35DE R32 GTR? THe Top Secret VQ35DE has ITBs and makes 350hp approx. It too can qualify in your definition as a show/artwork car. It's just that the difference between the Sublime and the Top Secret R32 is that one didnt go to the lengths of detail in keeping it clean both in the engine bay and under the chassis than the other one and it also probably has more functionality over form as it probably didnt intend on being a show car in the first place. Whereas the other was built to be a showcar but can probably do the stuff other "normal" cars can do, and can do it probably quite well too (drag, track or whatever)

But I digress...that isnt the issue. LebDM "Sexspec" to me and to many will always be the fully hektiks with ugly chrome wheels, crazy paintwork with airbrushing and interior retrimmed with massive doof doof. its a stereotype that they've created for themselves and when the OP started this thread, i have no doubt that it was these type of people he was referring to and the cars they drive.

harris
22-01-11, 12:27 AM
this is just a guess,

but i reackon his reqasoning for saying something as harsh as hobbble comes down to what he wants form a car.

when someone sees a car as a purely functional object, and see somethign like the rottary s15, they just dont understand it.

the s15s one and only function is good form at a car show, it wouldnt matter if it could make 800hp at the fly of the rotary, run 10s, or power slide 3rd. the fact it wasnt built to ever use more then 100hp, get out of first gear, or ever burn any rubber confuses saad.

i dont understand the car, imo nothing attracts me to it, i hate green, but i respect the work gone into it and id never call it horrible,

just fugly and useless imo, lol.

i wouldnt really call it sex spec though, more just a show car / artwork car.

The owner said he is going to take it to the drag strip and run some good times in full street trim to shut everyone up.

I don't see how it's fugly and useless just because it's not down with the latest trends.
The car is a piece of art.

INVSBL
22-01-11, 12:31 AM
its ugly imo

for two extreamly objective and personal things
its green
and the wheels dont fit, to big, to sunken

i hate green, if i saw a type x in green id hate it, even if it was stock in every way shape and form

thats the beauty of opinions, everyones is different.


oh and lol, where i wrote hobbble, i meant to type horrible, lol.

harris
22-01-11, 12:53 AM
its ugly imo

for two extreamly objective and personal things
its green
and the wheels dont fit, to big, to sunken

i hate green, if i saw a type x in green id hate it, even if it was stock in every way shape and form

thats the beauty of opinions, everyones is different.


oh and lol, where i wrote hobbble, i meant to type horrible, lol.

Oh okay.
I don't really seee hopw the wheels don't fit properly though. Aloy of work has gone into tubbing that and getting the wheels to fit how they do.
Car's don't need to be flush to have their wheels fit properly they just have to sit neatly in the gaurds. (Not saying you think cars need flush wheels or anything.)

INVSBL
22-01-11, 01:01 AM
nah, you can say that.

imo wheels should be flush, or atleast have the rubber close to the gaurd, i dont like tucking rim.

again, this is all subjectional, and is really just my opinion.

i respect the work that has gone into the car, but it just isnt my thing.

Wink
22-01-11, 01:07 AM
http://www.starlyon.com/bugle/forum/RX7LCD.jpg

LCDs in the popup headlights... best idea ever.

Can't wait to do that shit to my FD.

INVSBL
22-01-11, 01:10 AM
seee, if that didnt have tvs, and proper wheels

people would be all over that shit

plAythiNG
22-01-11, 01:48 AM
For me personally, i welcome the sex spec cars, not that im a fan. You often see these cars on the road, yes the interior retrim isnt to my liking. That goes for the wheels, their fitment, and the paint colour. I like seeing these cars on the road, as then when you see a car with tasteful mods that really compliment the car - this is where appeciation kicks in. Imagine if all the cars on the road were all styled the same... For me- it would get tiring.

Paul.S
22-01-11, 01:52 AM
What people have beef about is the common mods that a LebDM sexspec car has (i.e 20x7 fake chromies from tempe or someshit like that lowered on king springs or chopped springs, with crazy airbrushing, massive subs and LCD everything) It's these type of cars we see normally on the roads, not like your mates. Not only that, its done on cars ranging from R34 GTR's to cars like a toyota corolla or a hyundai excel. And THIS is what people are slagging off. Theres TOO MANY cars (big and small) which all exhibit the same shithouse mods with the same big 20-22inch chrome rims etc. If the "sexspec" cars all had the quality and craftsmanship of sublime, I doubt there would be THIS much bashing going on...

Honestly, whats with all the generalising?

In all your posts, all i'm seeing is someone trying to justify they are better than the other by derogation. Same goes with others, and for use of a hated term, 'hating' on oversized wheels and fancy paint schemes. Is it just to fit in, im not sure?

I'm sure it has zero impact on you at all, so why get your knickers all tied up? Subconsciously, if it doesnt please the eye, you don't take a second look, no need for the outrage.

Read what you've written, and flip the tables. Hypothetically, i can say your Golf R is shit, and is inferior to a Megane RS250. You will laugh but lets put it into perspective. You might say the Golf has sat nav, and all those creature comforts, but put them both on a track and the RS250 will be far superior.

Horses for courses i say, and maybe you should consider removing that patch and start using both eyes to see the world.

stephen8512
22-01-11, 02:54 AM
Honestly, whats with all the generalising?

In all your posts, all i'm seeing is someone trying to justify they are better than the other by derogation. Same goes with others, and for use of a hated term, 'hating' on oversized wheels and fancy paint schemes. Is it just to fit in, im not sure?

I'm sure it has zero impact on you at all, so why get your knickers all tied up? Subconsciously, if it doesnt please the eye, you don't take a second look, no need for the outrage.

Read what you've written, and flip the tables. Hypothetically, i can say your Golf R is shit, and is inferior to a Megane RS250. You will laugh but lets put it into perspective. You might say the Golf has sat nav, and all those creature comforts, but put them both on a track and the RS250 will be far superior.

Horses for courses i say, and maybe you should consider removing that patch and start using both eyes to see the world.

oh ffs...you missed the point completely. I'm not saying one is better than the other or anything of that nature. read my posts carefully. Im not defending sexspec nor am I preaching it ffs...

you cant not generalise otherwise we'd be here all fkn day and frankly i have better things to do. and not all sexspec cars are shit, just like how not all indians drive camrys. generalising makes it easier to compare rather than nitpick (all the while trying hard not to discriminate as that isn't the point of my posts)


ok here let me put it in bullet points so you can get your head around what i'm trying to say.

* cars
* car have candy paint scheme, fake 22" chrome wheels, too many subs and riding on chopped springs
* people on this forum hate (or rather, highly disapprove) of this
* most people that drive this type of car are wog or of that ethnicity
* its not that they hate "sexspec" as JDM VIP (bippu) can be considered sexspec as well with crazy offset and sometimes stupid fitment and camber.
* its just that they hate (highly disapprove) of the EXECUTION OF THE MODS lebDM cars have. i.e cheap, nasty, chromies with everything
* this type of lebDM modding is not on just small cars, but also found on big cars too, thus making EVERY SINGLE one of them look more or less the same, i.e pretty shit...
* LebDM modding consists of : 20's or bigger chromies. crazy amt of subs. leather retrim. usually a candy metallic paintjob with airbrushing. white (or whatever colour) walls on the tyres.
* it's got to the point where its been done so many times on all sorts of cars that I can name and list what generally passes as lebdm sexspec
* most owners of this type of car don't really care about offset or fitment of the wheels. they want CHROMIES and SIZE (i.e 22, 24" etc)
* most owners don't want to spend $XXX of dollars on quality coilovers. They simply chop the springs or get some king springs or something as all they want is to LOWER it
* most on this forum wouldn't hate on a candy colour scheme on a JDM car (unless you disliked the colour, which is subjective) IF IT WAS EXECUTED PROPERLY with PROPER MODS
* e.g JZX100 chaser with Candy RED (or candy whatever colour you like)
* which suggests to me most people are FINE with candy paint.
* then why slag on lebDM cars which have candy paint?
* ITS BECAUSE ITS ALMOST ALWAYS EXECUTED POORLY along with CHEAP CRAP MODS!
* seeing these type of cars in this state is eyesore for most on this forum, because again, its been done with CHEAP CRAP MODS
* most on this forum prefer gunmetal, black, titanium lipped volks or something. Even good proper chrome wheels people have a problem with (e.g lowenharts or something of that nature) Its just how it is on this forum (again, subjective)
* point of my posts is that IF THE CARS WERE EXECUTED PROPERLY WITH GOOD PROPER MODS, CANDY PAINT OR NOT, MOST ON THIS FORUM WOULD APPRECIATE IT A FKLOAD MORE THAN JUST YOUR NORMAL EVERYDAY SEXSPEC
* e.g Imagine an RX7 FD like DCUPS with all his JDM mods with a candy paintjob compared to an RX7 FD done with the usual sexspec. Depending what colour the paint is I can guarantee you that most people would appreciate and like DCUPS more than the other one. Why? EXECUTION + QUALITY MODS


Think about it dude....flipping the tables as you say. If your satria had a wild candy paintjob with airbrushing, leather retrim in tan, with hugeass chromies, not many people on this forum would say "holy shit thats a hot car".
Now, if your satria with its AWD conversion with 4G63 etc and all that with quality mods (which I can see you already have in your build thread), with a set of chromed (highly polished, watever) CE28N's AND you still had a candy paintjob ..... even though some may not like it THERES GOING TO ME MORE PEOPLE who would appreciate it than if it just had the fake chromies and retrim.

perfect example is 2GU UP's old R32 GTST (which he converted to GTR). it had a candy paintjob AND carbon fibre parts, RB26 from I think an R34, all that good stuff.......and lots on this forum respected that. what does that tell you? 2 words. Execution. Quality. It comes down to this.

and what does the golf R and megane RS250 being on a track about which one being faster got to do with this whole debate? what value is that adding to this conversation? my guess is none? And I do use both eyes to see the world, as I can see both sides to this story. Maybe you should try opening yours?

driftzor
22-01-11, 07:13 AM
in beforeblock

saad
22-01-11, 07:20 AM
I respect the quality of the build, its been done to a very high standard, but it has no purpose and still looks bad. I mean the doors and the moot wtf, the wheels? Its not a drag car, its a stupid fast show car that will never be driven. Not to mention hes ruined an S15, which is a great looking car.

I dont see anything wrong with leather trims when done well either. This means not covering every sq cm with cow hide. A bit of contrast can be good. If I had some nice brides, I would love to get a quality leather retrim, but not in "Lebanese White/Beige"

Paul.S
22-01-11, 08:52 AM
oh ffs...you missed the point completely. I'm not saying one is better than the other or anything of that nature. read my posts carefully. Im not defending sexspec nor am I preaching it ffs...

you cant not generalise otherwise we'd be here all fkn day and frankly i have better things to do. and not all sexspec cars are shit, just like how not all indians drive camrys. generalising makes it easier to compare rather than nitpick (all the while trying hard not to discriminate as that isn't the point of my posts)


ok here let me put it in bullet points so you can get your head around what i'm trying to say.

* cars
* car have candy paint scheme, fake 22" chrome wheels, too many subs and riding on chopped springs
* people on this forum hate (or rather, highly disapprove) of this
* most people that drive this type of car are wog or of that ethnicity
* its not that they hate "sexspec" as JDM VIP (bippu) can be considered sexspec as well with crazy offset and sometimes stupid fitment and camber.
* its just that they hate (highly disapprove) of the EXECUTION OF THE MODS lebDM cars have. i.e cheap, nasty, chromies with everything
* this type of lebDM modding is not on just small cars, but also found on big cars too, thus making EVERY SINGLE one of them look more or less the same, i.e pretty shit...
* LebDM modding consists of : 20's or bigger chromies. crazy amt of subs. leather retrim. usually a candy metallic paintjob with airbrushing. white (or whatever colour) walls on the tyres.
* it's got to the point where its been done so many times on all sorts of cars that I can name and list what generally passes as lebdm sexspec
* most owners of this type of car don't really care about offset or fitment of the wheels. they want CHROMIES and SIZE (i.e 22, 24" etc)
* most owners don't want to spend $XXX of dollars on quality coilovers. They simply chop the springs or get some king springs or something as all they want is to LOWER it
* most on this forum wouldn't hate on a candy colour scheme on a JDM car (unless you disliked the colour, which is subjective) IF IT WAS EXECUTED PROPERLY with PROPER MODS
* e.g JZX100 chaser with Candy RED (or candy whatever colour you like)
* which suggests to me most people are FINE with candy paint.
* then why slag on lebDM cars which have candy paint?
* ITS BECAUSE ITS ALMOST ALWAYS EXECUTED POORLY along with CHEAP CRAP MODS!
* seeing these type of cars in this state is eyesore for most on this forum, because again, its been done with CHEAP CRAP MODS
* most on this forum prefer gunmetal, black, titanium lipped volks or something. Even good proper chrome wheels people have a problem with (e.g lowenharts or something of that nature) Its just how it is on this forum (again, subjective)
* point of my posts is that IF THE CARS WERE EXECUTED PROPERLY WITH GOOD PROPER MODS, CANDY PAINT OR NOT, MOST ON THIS FORUM WOULD APPRECIATE IT A FKLOAD MORE THAN JUST YOUR NORMAL EVERYDAY SEXSPEC
* e.g Imagine an RX7 FD like DCUPS with all his JDM mods with a candy paintjob compared to an RX7 FD done with the usual sexspec. Depending what colour the paint is I can guarantee you that most people would appreciate and like DCUPS more than the other one. Why? EXECUTION + QUALITY MODS

...........

and what does the golf R and megane RS250 being on a track about which one being faster got to do with this whole debate? what value is that adding to this conversation? my guess is none? And I do use both eyes to see the world, as I can see both sides to this story. Maybe you should try opening yours?

I think i rest my case.

Again, read what you've written. Who cares if they have as you say, shit candy paint and oversized wheels, or if it sports a pink fluffy interior with an AV system that rivals your local Hoyts? Theres no need for all the name bashing, and assuming "sex spec" cars are all of same ethnicity. Last time i checked, heritage had nothing to do with modifying cars.

I don't see why people try to apply if you like, JDM tuning features to sex spec cars. Like you said, they dont care about offset/fitment. But thats part of their game.

My point is, there are, again horses for courses. Just because you don't approve of how its been built, its not shit. Behind that car, is someones pride and joy. Someone building a car for what they want. Maybe they put 100 hours into their DIY candy paint job, but just lacked the skills to pull off that highly difficult perfect finish.

The RS250 analogy, was to reinstate HORSE FOR COURSES. The Golf may be better on the road with all its luxury items, but put them on the track and its a different story.

This isn't just directed at you, but everyone who "hates" on the other for being not up to par..

philz
22-01-11, 09:29 AM
seee, if that didnt have tvs, and proper wheels

people would be all over that shit

yes that's it... he does two things "wrong" and that's what pretty much breaks the car / becomes a sexspec machine. Change the wheels to SSR professors and put in some HID lights, it's JDM.

Jays14
22-01-11, 10:07 AM
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7185/38786541.png (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/38786541.png/)I love this guy :)

stephen8512
22-01-11, 10:20 AM
I think i rest my case.

Again, read what you've written. Who cares if they have as you say, shit candy paint and oversized wheels, or if it sports a pink fluffy interior with an AV system that rivals your local Hoyts? Theres no need for all the name bashing, and assuming "sex spec" cars are all of same ethnicity. Last time i checked, heritage had nothing to do with modifying cars.

I don't see why people try to apply if you like, JDM tuning features to sex spec cars. Like you said, they dont care about offset/fitment. But thats part of their game.

My point is, there are, again horses for courses. Just because you don't approve of how its been built, its not shit. Behind that car, is someones pride and joy. Someone building a car for what they want. Maybe they put 100 hours into their DIY candy paint job, but just lacked the skills to pull off that highly difficult perfect finish.

The RS250 analogy, was to reinstate HORSE FOR COURSES. The Golf may be better on the road with all its luxury items, but put them on the track and its a different story.

This isn't just directed at you, but everyone who "hates" on the other for being not up to par..

I think you and I are trying to say the same thing, but you're just not getting me. I said if you read my previous posts that anyone can do anything that they want with their cars because its their cars and I agree that its someones pride and joy thats been put into it. However, like you said,


but just lacked the skills to pull off that highly difficult perfect finish.

If you think about how many of these sexspec cars have the same mods etc....they all have the same mods. they havent executed it properly in the eyes of the JDMST community (and others too). Go to boostcruising and I cna guarantee you that most welcome sexspec and think of JDM styled cars are boring.


Just because you don't approve of how its been built, its not shit.

thats 110% exactly correct. But if they do THINK its shit, its these type of cars we generally think are shit. You may be able to use your own faeces to mould it into a sculpture of Michaelangelo's david, but at the end of the day, it's still faeces. some may appreciate the detail gone into it, while others still see it as faeces and just cant get over the fact that it's been made with faeces. see my analogy?

Humans generally know what looks good and what doesnt (subjective, sure, but on the whole if something looks good to one and is done properly, most will tend to agree) and generally with JDMST they DONT THINK the sexspec cars look good. HOWEVER, if they were to see a JDM styled version of a sexspec car, most like it. Ask yourself, why you think that is? I'll keep re-iterating this until it gets through. Quality + Execution.


yes that's it... he does two things "wrong" and that's what pretty much breaks the car / becomes a sexspec machine. Change the wheels to SSR professors and put in some HID lights, it's JDM.

I rest my case.

Its like girls. Compare....Jennifer Hawkins to an average looking girl of the same build, height, weight etc. IF both were on the fashion runway and if they were cars, Jennifer Hawkins wearing a nonexpensive dress and subtle makeup, nicely done hair etc would be one that has quality and has execution. The average girl for e.g puts on tons of eyeshadow and eyeliner and the outfit that she wears coming down the runway makes her look like a cheap hooker. Now, SURE THERE WILL BE people who dig that look, but MOST will tend to generalise and think that she hasnt showcased herself and her body well...

NOW IF the average looking girl was to have done the same subtle differences Jennifer hawkins have done, then I'll bet she wouldnt be look at like a cheap hooker and rather there will be more people who will appreciate her than thinking that she's looks just like a slut

See what I mean?

harris
22-01-11, 10:48 AM
I respect the quality of the build, its been done to a very high standard, but it has no purpose and still looks bad. I mean the doors and the moot wtf, the wheels? Its not a drag car, its a stupid fast show car that will never be driven. Not to mention hes ruined an S15, which is a great looking car.

I dont see anything wrong with leather trims when done well either. This means not covering every sq cm with cow hide. A bit of contrast can be good. If I had some nice brides, I would love to get a quality leather retrim, but not in "Lebanese White/Beige"

The owner has already said that he is going to take it down to the drag strip and run some good times in full street trim to shut everyone up.
Did you not read the thread?

Paul.S
22-01-11, 11:03 AM
I think you and I are trying to say the same thing, but you're just not getting me. I said if you read my previous posts that anyone can do anything that they want with their cars because its their cars and I agree that its someones pride and joy thats been put into it. However, like you said,


I'm not disagreeing with you on the quality and execution. I'm a firm believer its the quality and attention to detail, which makes a car that much more appealing, and my build thread is a true testament to this.

All i'm saying is, because a car you don't like, doesn't have that flair, attention to detail, hell even if you think looks like shit, there's no need to go bashing and ragging out on the owner of the car, no matter how poor a car it is.

SamB87
22-01-11, 11:03 AM
But if we didn't have people that looked like cheap sluts, the world would be a sad place. If everyone looked like Jennifer Hawkins, there'd be no variety. You need different things to look at and critique. It's what makes the world go round. Plus And I'm pretty sure Jen wouldn't do ATM like a slut would.

Sex Spex will always be around, just deal with it. I don't really pay any attention to it, just let them do their thing and we can do ours.

WAN94N
22-01-11, 11:34 AM
in before block....and ^ agreed...

i PERSONALLY think that it comes down to the individual on what sex spec means to them and what their reaction to a certain individual's taste would be. like my previous 33 for example. some may have liked the paint, some hate red :S wheels stuck out of the guards then i whacked on some flares. i liked it, some dont. because the Work Equips were polished dished and had stupid offsets some might put that in the "that-looks-like-a-lebo-IS200-fitment-wheel" category but i didnt care :)

at the end of the day, its purely subjective and one's opinion general. if you dont like it, so be it cos it doesnt mean shit to the majority of the population (in our case, car-enthusiasts)

elisss
22-01-11, 12:17 PM
"LebDM" is very degrading. Can't believe you'd even use the term.

Btw,


* this type of SEX SPEC modding is not on just small cars, but also found on big cars too, thus making EVERY SINGLE one of them look more or less the same, i.e pretty shit...


Have you seen Honda Civics/Integras in Cabramatta? Same old beat guards with shitty paint jobs, stupid plushies hanging off ridiculous tow hooks running replica front lips with replica type R parts. I love Hondas but there is definitely nothing unique about these ones. lol

skyflyer
22-01-11, 12:21 PM
That's not what I was saying. Nevermind.

well, if we're talking about the wheel in itself (forget about the car for the moment), then yes it might have a negative offset. now, it is true that the lesser/smaller the number of the offset is, the more outward (toward the guard) the wheel would be when fitted. i think how he managed to fit that negative offset wheel inside the guard nicely was by shortening the axle for sure...

Brucey
22-01-11, 01:03 PM
What about this car. S13, widebody, purple paint, leather trim etc.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f133/Dragon_Silvia/042.jpg

Still not finished but work is high quality and looks pretty sweet, still Sexpec?

Would people drive this as a daily(minus stickers)

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8089/mzrcx9.jpg

How about this subaru. Gold plated FR, red leather, worked motor

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8625/26289134092647662410350.jpg

stephen8512
22-01-11, 02:53 PM
Have you seen Honda Civics/Integras in Cabramatta? Same old beat guards with shitty paint jobs, stupid plushies hanging off ridiculous tow hooks running replica front lips with replica type R parts. I love Hondas but there is definitely nothing unique about these ones. lol


you hit the nail on the head. it does come down to what he wants from a car. isnt that why we do what we do in the first place? thats not the issue. everyone has a voice and can do whatever they want to their own cars. but the reason why lebdm sexspec gets such a bad rep is because of the crap execution of the car....as i said in my earlier posts. (i.e cheap fake copies). You dont even have to go as far as sexspec. have a look at a guy with Skyline R34 GTT's with, say, RAV VORK wheels (TE37 copies) or a S2000 with Ozzy Tyres Advanti's (Advan Kreutzer X copies). The common thing between these examples are crap cheap parts and poor execution...no matter what side you're on.

no argument there


All i'm saying is, because a car you don't like, doesn't have that flair, attention to detail, hell even if you think looks like shit, there's no need to go bashing and ragging out on the owner of the car, no matter how poor a car it is.

exactly what I'm trying to say too. But this so called bashing and ragging out the owner seems to be common here on JDMST (or was common...dont know how much of it has died down now though). Dont tell me, you dont have to tell me that. Tell the rest of JDSMT!

http://site.oohnohedidnt.com/images/ricer_civic_2.jpg

Quality. perhaps. it mustve taken hours to make the bodywork get to that standard. Execution? NO! This would be the consensus from just about everyone. Yet, they still paid out the owner and said shit about his car. As you said (and what i've said), it doesnt give you the right to go bashing on the owner.

THe whole point of my posts was that people seemed to dislike the commonly accepted term "sexspec" due to the way these cars are done up...which is why I used LebDM (sorry if it offended anyone..wasnt my intention and please read my disclaimer in one of my prev. posts) and JDM sexspec to compare. most seem to have a problem with huge chromies etc because theyre cheap crap parts and on the whole, they tend to use rims which are bigger than the car sometimes!! I dont know how much I need to re-iterate this. However if it was a 19" JDM chrome wheel with dish and executed nicely on a VIP car , it would be executed nicely or seen as being exeucuted well by most on there. Compare that to those rims being on something like a hachi or something, then execution has been poor, thus it will look shit to just about everyones eyes. But it doesnt give them the right to start mouthing off. (perfect example is the Eunos KITTY members ride thread).

I just hate the mentality that sexspec = gay for almost everyone on this forum. tell them, not me, to stop slagging off on the cars and the owners because its not me ratting on them.

and i'd rock all 3 of the cars listed above. that purple S13 is fkn hot. But ohhh no put some Dolce DC12's on it, suddenly everyones out flaming! this is the problem. Yes, critique makes the world go around but some seem to be too focused on being JDM that everything is shit unless its JDM to them. How narrow minded is that?

INVSBL
22-01-11, 03:49 PM
What about this car. S13, widebody, purple paint, leather trim etc.
[IMG]http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f133/Dragon_Silvia/042.jpg[IMG]

Still not finished but work is high quality and looks pretty sweet, still Sexpec?

Would people drive this as a daily(minus stickers)

[IMG]http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8089/mzrcx9.jpg[IMG]

How about this subaru. Gold plated FR, red leather, worked motor

[IMG]http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8625/26289134092647662410350.jpg[IMG]

the first and third cars are what sex spec used to be, people who went all out in all areas of their car. when i think of true sex spec, i think of rx2 and 3s, full detailed bays, offtap rotaries, large expensive and rare in your face wheels and crazy leather everythign interiors

nowdays, the majority of sex spec, the group of cars that fit the generalization, are just king lows, large dinner pate rims, stupidly expencive paintwork and interiors, the motors are usually simply modified with off the shelf bolt ons.

ill be honest, i love sex spec interiors, minus the tvs and the lights,

And think bout it, if that sti had black leather instead of red, and a wheel/tyre package that doesnt belong on a commodore, again most would happily drive it.

sure some people think stripped out interiors are the shit, but be honest, its stupid unless its a dedicated track car.

INVSBL
22-01-11, 03:50 PM
oh and stop posting riced out civics ffs, that civic isnt sex spec, its a mexicans spacecraft

elisss
22-01-11, 05:05 PM
oh and stop posting riced out civics ffs, that civic isnt sex spec, its a mexicans spacecraft

fucking lol.

Hadean
22-01-11, 05:15 PM
Wow... 100+ posts and this thread is still on-topic.... Unheard of.

clutch-monkey
22-01-11, 07:45 PM
How about this subaru. Gold plated FR, red leather, worked motor

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8625/26289134092647662410350.jpg
that accord in the background is more like it.. lol
as said above the sti is a few colour/trim options away from being acceptable for most here haha

DAS KAMU
22-01-11, 08:06 PM
when you look at sex spec cars up close there are corners cut everywhere

kind of like 2 houses that look the same but one is secretly made from paper mache - you will see it when you get close

japimport
22-01-11, 08:18 PM
no argument there
this is the problem. Yes, critique makes the world go around but some seem to be too focused on being JDM that everything is shit unless its JDM to them. How narrow minded is that?

All i want to say is that we who love the JDM movement should be thankful for the sex spec car scene. As much as some cars may make us ask "WHY, oh god, WHY" they make our cars more unique. If everyone in Australia tuned their cars exactly like the cars on this forum, we would end up driving identical cars to the guy across the street. That said, we have reasons to dislike sex spec as well, personally when i see a car that has had a lot of work done to be sex spec i think about how much money it would take to make the car JDM... which is a lot of money sometimes, making me consider that car as one less s15 out there, or one less sti. Basically, this is JDMST which means although we don't have a right to actively attack the sex spec movement, we don't have to like it either. If you want to appreciate sex spec, make your OWN website... its not that hard, and Im sure you will have plenty of members.

end rant :)

Deeran
22-01-11, 08:30 PM
Just my quick opinion:

Being quite possibly the biggest fan of VIP to have posted so far (not competing just pointing out i like VIP)

I do not see how sex spec could have a direct link in its family tree to VIP, yes there lie similarities but ultimately these cars almost always end up more like the bastard child or a lowrider and a DuB spec car imo.

Before you dismiss my opinions as being naive and misinformed please accept that I lived in japan a while and have been obsessed with VIP since I caught whiff of it.

Without naming names, many people say that sex specs are similar because they fit large offset wheels and are slammed. Yes vip does this as pretty much a rule of thumb to all of its genre cars BUT as you all know it is all about the stance, fitment and pushing the factory lines of luxury cars. (NOTE: LUXURY CARS)

More often then not a sexspec styled car is a Skyline, Silvia, Supra, Wrx or evo etc. occasionally Altezzas and Bmw's or Benz'. Here lies the major difference between sexspec and VIP as the majority of the vip cars in japan no longer follow the bosozoku influence quite as closely as they used too - its more heading in the executive direction now but even before that it was only the most obnoxious show cars that shared any semblance of a 'SexSpec' car and in this case those two (show vip and show Sex Spec) are used for identical purposes: Standing out in a show/event, and both of these methods usually succeed with flying colours, so how could you knock that, something doing what its built for and succeeding at it.

I think where alot of people get mixed up and pissed off at the 'sex spec scene' if thats what you choose to call it. Is the blurred line between car enthuissiast and just outright attention seeker, something like a VIP car is mpore often then not made by a real enthuissiast, much like everyones beloved JDM style cars these are usually made by enthuissiasts. It takes an a real enthuissiast to pay through the teeth for parts that are oem but just from another country where as anyone who has never really understood cars or the love of cars will never ever understand this.

... F$#k i just lost my train of thought, wasnt very important though,

But may i present this, to the average joe, a car with big rims is still just a car with big rims, a car with a loud exhaust is still just as annoying to try and mantain a conversation against then a 1 off itb 20v 4age with some amazing titanium exhaust.
so from the joe blow's perspective sex spec is better, why spend 4k on wheels when u can get massive chromes with tyres for half that?

I dont have a problem with either way, but i have always had a problem with hoons on the sexspec bandwagon that will buy cheapest possible power upgrades and run stock wheels on the driven axle and if asked them to point to the distributer for example or even the oil filter, they would struggle.
I think everyone hates this particular type because they ruin it for the rest of us, continually putting/furthering restrictions on what we can do to our cars.

So in conclusion it is silly to say that sexspec is virtually directly linked to any 1 JDM style but equally as silly to deny the link
My theory is that if i were a sexspecer(?) I would take what i wanted from any which style, DUBs on a D1 body kit with a vip interior and maybe a drag spec engine/drivline, rocking tubbed guards as to allow proper use of my air hopper suspension lol, all this on an r34.
People always hate/fear what they don't understand is the real reason so many people hate on this scene is because they don't understand it or becuase they envy that that person did what he wanted to his car to the letter all the while managing not to be bagged out for not having the 'in' wheels or the most expensive bride seats??

just my 2 cents

harris
22-01-11, 08:43 PM
when you look at sex spec cars up close there are corners cut everywhere

kind of like 2 houses that look the same but one is secretly made from paper mache - you will see it when you get close

That goes for any style of car.

sinista
22-01-11, 08:44 PM
The following is just my opinion. But I've got my flame suit on, so cut sick.

Dude, D CUPS was built with a SexSpec mentality. Chester never took it to the track, never really drove it on the street at all. It was a show car.

The only difference is, he used parts from Japan.

I've never met the dude, but reading through his build thread, 'getting new wheels so I can have a magazine shoot', just seems like a sex-spec mentality to me. It was all about the attention the car recieved, not about the actual car itself. But becuase it has JDM parts, its exempt from the 'show cars arent cool on this forum' mentality.

Blows my mind. Dont get me wrong, if Biggie rocked up to me and said 'We want your car on the cover' I wouldnt say no. But to go and build a car just so you can get a magazine cover is a concept I dont understand.

And thats really the biggest problem I have with SexSpec cars/builders. The majority of them all seem to build a car only to get attention, from other drivers, females, where-ever.

That, and I cant see whats so innovative about putting a TV in the front bar. Otherwise, the paint that goes into SexSpec cars is generally beyond impressive. Some of the paintjobs (not the airbrushing and all that, but the actual paint, like candys and things) are actually fucking cool.

Def a different light on the subject. But the other thing is If you had no idea about the cars build history and looked at its chosen styling choices, parts used etc You could quite clearly define it as jdm spec.

KidDynamite
22-01-11, 10:15 PM
the only thing I dont like about sex spec is that they go to the local tempe tyres or ozzy tyres pick what they think looks good on whatever car and the rims are 7 inch wide and are +60 offset and look like shit on the car VIP on the other hand have nice offset (low or minus) wide ass rims eg 10 inch or more and the camber is done correctly eg coilovers camber arms etc.....

SLO40Z
22-01-11, 10:26 PM
jesus christ this shit go out of hand, now if everyone could please hand their essays, either supporting or refuting the original points put forward 6 pages ago, to jf, and then await marking, he shall release the 2 best papers...

nah i just wish that would happen cos i cannot be fucked to read 6 pages of arguments that are constantly going round in circles...

the fact is, we here at jdmst can have a respect for sex spec on 2 levels
1. is the workmanship and love that has gone into the cars, we are all enthusiasts and whether we like how the car ends up or not, we must repsect the owners intentions...
and 2. if we actually enjoy how the car has come out, i myself am disgusted by alot of sex spec cars, on particular 'hectic' bmw comes to mind... but there are MANY that i love, and would drive..

so can we please stop these stupid revolving door arguments, and get back to sex spec appreciation thread and just post photos that we can either admire or disregard...

Deeran
22-01-11, 10:31 PM
jesus christ this shit go out of hand, now if everyone could please hand their essays, either supporting or refuting the original points put forward 6 pages ago, to jf, and then await marking, he shall release the 2 best papers...

nah i just wish that would happen cos i cannot be fucked to read 6 pages of arguments that are constantly going round in circles...

the fact is, we here at jdmst can have a respect for sex spec on 2 levels
1. is the workmanship and love that has gone into the cars, we are all enthusiasts and whether we like how the car ends up or not, we must repsect the owners intentions...
and 2. if we actually enjoy how the car has come out, i myself am disgusted by alot of sex spec cars, on particular 'hectic' bmw comes to mind... but there are MANY that i love, and would drive..

so can we please stop these stupid revolving door arguments, and get back to sex spec appreciation thread and just post photos that we can either admire or disregard...

+1 for this!

stephen8512
23-01-11, 12:22 AM
All i want to say is that we who love the JDM movement should be thankful for the sex spec car scene.

Tell that to the rest of JDMST and it would be a much better place. This is what ive been harping on about. the lack of appreciation people have for a car just because it isnt JDM or JDM styled. Replace the chrome tempe tyre classics and replace it with this

http://www.teammenace.com/images/prof_ban_aa.jpg

suddenly everyone loves it (rather, more people love it). Even though it still has a candy paintjob. If that car had tempe tyre chrommies on it, i can guarantee that with the narrow minded nature of the most part of this forum, most will start to have a go at it and the word "appreciation" wont even pop into their small heads

compare this

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/elisdaher/2GU%20UP/pics/DSC01703.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3166/3026247234_9ce7aa623d_b.jpg

with this
http://www.tempetyres.com.au/content/gallery/bg_IMG_1453.jpg
http://www.tempetyres.com.au/content/gallery/bg_DSC0542.jpg


That said, we have reasons to dislike sex spec as well, personally when i see a car that has had a lot of work done to be sex spec i think about how much money it would take to make the car JDM... which is a lot of money sometimes, making me consider that car as one less s15 out there, or one less sti. Basically, this is JDMST which means although we don't have a right to actively attack the sex spec movement, we don't have to like it either. If you want to appreciate sex spec, make your OWN website... its not that hard, and Im sure you will have plenty of members.

no denying that you have reasons to dislike it. Like I said before in one of my posts, looks are subjective and it doesn't mean you have to like the car. But to not like the car as well as slag off at the owner/the car itself seems to be the immature mentality that most have on here (not sure if its true, but its just been my observation. correct me if I am wrong). And I can guarantee you that theres more people on here who are so-called "hardcore JDM" fanboys who are interested in ONLY JDM stuff and everything else is below par to them, rather than people who actually appreciate the quality/work that sometimes goes into a sexspec car. (of course, this is JDMST but damn, how can a human being be THAT narrow minded?)



the only thing I dont like about sex spec is that they go to the local tempe tyres or ozzy tyres pick what they think looks good on whatever car and the rims are 7 inch wide and are +60 offset and look like shit on the car. VIP on the other hand have nice offset (low or minus) wide ass rims eg 10 inch or more and the camber is done correctly eg coilovers camber arms etc.....

perfect example in case. This backs up what I've been saying in my last few posts. again, GENERALLY when people buy these type of rims from these places, more oftn than not, it will be looked as CRAP because it will be on some shithouse car, but even if it is on a JDM car it will still look crap to most people. Again, looks are subjective as I said time and again, but HUMANS generally know what looks good and what looks shit....and the consensus is that it looks shit. Most often times, the types of guys that LIKE that stuff are the ones who are INTO or BUILDING sexspec, which is in itself becoming a niche market


the fact is, we here at jdmst can have a respect for sex spec on 2 levels
1. is the workmanship and love that has gone into the cars, we are all enthusiasts and whether we like how the car ends up or not, we must repsect the owners intentions...
and 2. if we actually enjoy how the car has come out, i myself am disgusted by alot of sex spec cars, on particular 'hectic' bmw comes to mind... but there are MANY that i love, and would drive..

well said.

this is my last rant on the matter. after this, as SLO40Z said, its a revolving door.

2GU UP
23-01-11, 03:16 AM
those pics make me miss my car how it was back then LOL

the problem here is not enough people on here understand what "building" a car means.
i would love to see how many people on this forum have actually built a car from the ground up rather than just bolted a JDM catalogue to it and call it built.
No matter what the car is or how its built if the execution is spot on everyone should appreciate it no ifs or buts.
Like the idiots on here calling SUBLIME rubbish or what ever, maybe build something yourself to begin with then criticise others.
Because Im 110% sure there is only about 1 percent of users on here who have actually built a car from top to bottom and know the bullshit you go through when building a car.
That S15 was built to compete at shows and it does that perfectly well, now kids what are your cars slapped together for? hanging out at cabramatta HJs with all the other Vtec lovers?
Grow up and realise that JDM isn't the only way of building cars, and its not the best way either.
Stripped interiors are only good for track cars only not street cars it makes the car noisy as all fuck to drive its uncomfortable and it makes driving the car a chore.
Stupid wide wheels with stretched tyres and massive camber angles is good for photos and nothing more, ive been there and done that and its stupid the car drives like shit, much worse than putting tempe chromies on a car.
Bullshit rock solid JDM track spec coil overs on the street are rubbish your kidneys cop a beating and your tyres can lose contact with the road which is just plain dangerous.

These are just a few examples but i could go on for days on how not to mod a car but no one is going to listen so who gives a rats.

End of the day everyone needs to realise its time to grow up, we are not fighting a war here, its the car scene.
We get pumped by every stupid group of people because apparently we kill people with our cars, and then we go making things worse by fighting with in the scene at the same time.
We all need to learn to live together and stick by one another because we are the "enemy" according to the media.
So maybe its time you guys all got off your JDM high horses and realise we need to fight the majority to keep our love for cars alive other wise its gonna be stock camrys for everyone in the near future.

INVSBL
23-01-11, 03:26 AM
can people please stop saying coilovers are gonna cause a cars wheel to come off the road

ffs, my 180 has bc coils, set to stiffest setting, the ride isnt kidney smashing, unless you aim for pot holes, and it def rides better then any 'sex spec' car on 20" dolches with compressed springs and standard shocks.

and the only time i get a wheel off the ground is when i attack driveways on stupid angles

and finally, lol at stretched wheels handling poorly,

brb, ill go tell the drifting community they are doing it wrong.........

Oxer
23-01-11, 06:00 AM
and finally, lol at stretched tires* handling poorly,

brb, ill go tell the drifting community they are doing it wrong.........

See sig.

meadan
23-01-11, 07:13 AM
those pics make me miss my car how it was back then LOL

the problem here is not enough people on here understand what "building" a car means.
i would love to see how many people on this forum have actually built a car from the ground up rather than just bolted a JDM catalogue to it and call it built.
No matter what the car is or how its built if the execution is spot on everyone should appreciate it no ifs or buts.
Like the idiots on here calling SUBLIME rubbish or what ever, maybe build something yourself to begin with then criticise others.
Because Im 110% sure there is only about 1 percent of users on here who have actually built a car from top to bottom and know the bullshit you go through when building a car.
That S15 was built to compete at shows and it does that perfectly well, now kids what are your cars slapped together for? hanging out at cabramatta HJs with all the other Vtec lovers?
Grow up and realise that JDM isn't the only way of building cars, and its not the best way either.
Stripped interiors are only good for track cars only not street cars it makes the car noisy as all fuck to drive its uncomfortable and it makes driving the car a chore.
Stupid wide wheels with stretched tyres and massive camber angles is good for photos and nothing more, ive been there and done that and its stupid the car drives like shit, much worse than putting tempe chromies on a car.
Bullshit rock solid JDM track spec coil overs on the street are rubbish your kidneys cop a beating and your tyres can lose contact with the road which is just plain dangerous.

These are just a few examples but i could go on for days on how not to mod a car but no one is going to listen so who gives a rats.

End of the day everyone needs to realise its time to grow up, we are not fighting a war here, its the car scene.
We get pumped by every stupid group of people because apparently we kill people with our cars, and then we go making things worse by fighting with in the scene at the same time.
We all need to learn to live together and stick by one another because we are the "enemy" according to the media.
So maybe its time you guys all got off your JDM high horses and realise we need to fight the majority to keep our love for cars alive other wise its gonna be stock camrys for everyone in the near future.

totally agree anthony.

There is a very small group of people on this forum who have actually gone out and built their car the way they want it. Im not talking about getting some shop to put coilovers in a civic and put jdmst stickers on the window.

Funny thing is, most people replying here with their 'informed opinion' arent part of this group. Im not singling any one out, but my opinion is that you cant comment unless you actually know what youre talking about.

I say compulsory hours in the garage (not detailing your crap car, or taking photos of it) before you even think of making a post on here should be enforced.

IMO, this stupid car culture section is out of hand and is ruining what little culture JDMST had to start with.

:)

93tzlegacy
23-01-11, 09:34 AM
those pics make me miss my car how it was back then LOL

the problem here is not enough people on here understand what "building" a car means.
i would love to see how many people on this forum have actually built a car from the ground up rather than just bolted a JDM catalogue to it and call it built.
No matter what the car is or how its built if the execution is spot on everyone should appreciate it no ifs or buts.
Like the idiots on here calling SUBLIME rubbish or what ever, maybe build something yourself to begin with then criticise others.
Because Im 110% sure there is only about 1 percent of users on here who have actually built a car from top to bottom and know the bullshit you go through when building a car.
That S15 was built to compete at shows and it does that perfectly well, now kids what are your cars slapped together for? hanging out at cabramatta HJs with all the other Vtec lovers?
Grow up and realise that JDM isn't the only way of building cars, and its not the best way either.
Stripped interiors are only good for track cars only not street cars it makes the car noisy as all fuck to drive its uncomfortable and it makes driving the car a chore.
Stupid wide wheels with stretched tyres and massive camber angles is good for photos and nothing more, ive been there and done that and its stupid the car drives like shit, much worse than putting tempe chromies on a car.
Bullshit rock solid JDM track spec coil overs on the street are rubbish your kidneys cop a beating and your tyres can lose contact with the road which is just plain dangerous.

These are just a few examples but i could go on for days on how not to mod a car but no one is going to listen so who gives a rats.

End of the day everyone needs to realise its time to grow up, we are not fighting a war here, its the car scene.
We get pumped by every stupid group of people because apparently we kill people with our cars, and then we go making things worse by fighting with in the scene at the same time.
We all need to learn to live together and stick by one another because we are the "enemy" according to the media.
So maybe its time you guys all got off your JDM high horses and realise we need to fight the majority to keep our love for cars alive other wise its gonna be stock camrys for everyone in the near future.

some sense amongst the bullshit, finally.

unfortunately the jdm culture in general, is just a fad, in 10 years 3am danoz tv will be flogging off 'jdm dildo knobs and hang rings' not hot fad exercise machines. its just that, a fad. our jdm culture influences largely come from north america anyway, if you actually go to japan, 99% of people are driving late model kei cars, not millions of s13 with 19x11 rims , stretched tyres and heaps of camber.
the US however, every flat brim gold sticker hat wearing slim shady wannabe is rollin a gd wrx or eg civ with coilovers 2mm off the deck, 18x9 + bbs (copies for the most part) and hard parking,
the fatlace hellaflush scene is just like sex spec, cars built to draw attention, whether it be for the right or wrong reasons.

as for Anthony's sentiments re building a car from the ground up (yourself, not paying x customs $80k to 'pimp yo ride') while its extremely rewarding, there are thousands of hours in most cars, and planning is done months before a project starts in most cases.
at the end of the day people build cars because they can (untill the NSW gov out laws modified cars. its coming) and will continue to follow what ever is mainstream or in the media. the car scene is a lifestyle, not a hobby.

half the posters in this thread still roll their mum's kia rio on their L's anyway, and love to E battle,
issues with forums that are based around a style rather than a car (rex net , nissan silvia etc) is that there will always be conflict, honda drivers hate everyone else, then it snow balls, evo vs subaru , nissan vs toyota etc.

+inbeforelock

Oxer
23-01-11, 09:36 AM
Im not singling any one out, but my opinion is that you cant comment unless you actually know what youre talking about.

I say compulsory hours in the garage (not detailing your crap car, or taking photos of it) before you even think of making a post on here should be enforced.

IMO, this stupid car culture section is out of hand and is ruining what little culture JDMST had to start with.

:)

So what qualifies someone to know what they are talking about? Pictures of 'them' working on their car in a garage? What if they dont have a camera? Does that mean they are full of shit and have no idea on how to work on a car, because there arent pics posted on the forums??

This section isnt 'ruining' anything, Whats wrong with a healty discussion on topics? :???:

meadan
23-01-11, 10:04 AM
This discussion is far from healthy, and im not going to join it :)

Pictures dont prove anything, if you know what youre talking about I think youll find that you dont feel the need to go on the internet and argue about it, just to convince yourself that you are right.

Prancer
23-01-11, 10:12 AM
yep im in the same boat as you meadan, gave up a long time ago

harris
23-01-11, 10:34 AM
TBH I think the sex spec cars look way better than he'll flush. The thing that bugs
e about hella flush is that people call it a 'movement'. No what green peace has got going is a movement you're just part of a fashion trend. It's no big deal if a cars wheels are flush anyway but they have have stupid stickers all over the cars saying how flush their wheels are and even have meetings for it. Atleats sex apex cars don't have wanky stickers saying 'hella sex spec, rolling diameter is everything.'

UFO8MYCAT
23-01-11, 10:50 AM
my car is sex spec and JDM without the stickers and I LOVE IT.

The Panda
23-01-11, 11:29 AM
seee, if that didnt have tvs, and proper wheels

people would be all over that shit

But it doesnt, so its a piece of shit.

Seriously can people stop using these annoying hypothetical arguments? If that car had advan blah blah blah and offset etc you would all think it was cool. It doesn't, it likely wont under the current owner, so why the hell are we speculating what it will look like. Blurring the lines is not an effective argument for or against something.

2GU UP
23-01-11, 11:47 AM
can people please stop saying coilovers are gonna cause a cars wheel to come off the road

ffs, my 180 has bc coils, set to stiffest setting, the ride isnt kidney smashing, unless you aim for pot holes, and it def rides better then any 'sex spec' car on 20" dolches with compressed springs and standard shocks.

and the only time i get a wheel off the ground is when i attack driveways on stupid angles

and finally, lol at stretched wheels handling poorly,

brb, ill go tell the drifting community they are doing it wrong.........

do you even have half an idea of how suspension works?
im talking from over 10 years of trade experience, what experience are you talking from?

also can you read at all? or you just see certain words and just make what you want of it?

your BC coil overs are soft as shit compared to JDM track suited coil overs, i had apexi coil overs and they were worse than stock shocks with lowered springs on the roads in sydney.
I have had JDM fan boy customers who have had the same problems, your suspension has to suit the roads you are driving on not the car park you are hard parking at.

I'm talking about massively undersized tyres and stupid camber settings
ie: 10" wide rim with 225 rubber and -6 degrees camber
i dont care who you think you know, it is never going to handle well ive done it and its rubbish the car is so unstable its an absolute joke
when your using an inch of tyre on the road, you are going to damage rims and destroy the tyres sidewall just from normal driving

SLO40Z
23-01-11, 12:59 PM
lol this discussion is funny, i think people need to chill and stop bagging everyone else...


and watch this... http://forum.jdmstyletuning.com/showthread.php?31488-JDM-parody

stephen8512
23-01-11, 04:21 PM
can people please stop saying coilovers are gonna cause a cars wheel to come off the road

ffs, my 180 has bc coils, set to stiffest setting, the ride isnt kidney smashing, unless you aim for pot holes, and it def rides better then any 'sex spec' car on 20" dolches with compressed springs and standard shocks.

and the only time i get a wheel off the ground is when i attack driveways on stupid angles

and finally, lol at stretched wheels handling poorly,

brb, ill go tell the drifting community they are doing it wrong.........

your argument isnt adding any value to this discussion..
Re-read what 2GU UP wrote and then read your response. It came in from left field. You didnt read his whole post. Just once tiny aspect of his argument on which you based your reply on.

EDIT : Looks like 2GU UP already posted a reply to that. Haha!

INVSBL
23-01-11, 04:30 PM
i didnt reply to the rest of his post, coz i agree with it, i just replied to what i disagree on.

Aces
23-01-11, 04:35 PM
Its been said before, for the most part its not the cars that people rag on, but the owners of said cars.

A chromed out bimmer with a shit paint job and some pork chop leaning out the window yelling "wanna root" is about as appealing as nuclear war.

+1
Couldnt have been said better

stephen8512
23-01-11, 04:51 PM
Stupid wide wheels with stretched tyres and massive camber angles is good for photos and nothing more, ive been there and done that and its stupid the car drives like shit, much worse than putting tempe chromies on a car.



brb, ill go tell the drifting community they are doing it wrong.........

This type of response is what i'm saying adds no value. The context of 2GU UP's post was based on sexspec/JDM VIP cars, i.e driven on the street. on the whole how many sexspec/VIP cars drift? next to none for sexspec and not many for VIP. So having that camber etc is/will be mainly for show and hardparking...which is what the context of the post was about...

then you come in and say yeah u'll tell the drifting community theyre doing it wrong? That'll be like if 2GU UP said "having slicks on your car will perform poorly and will be a very dangerous ride" and then you come in and say "brb i'll tell the drag community theyre doing it wrong". see what I mean? Its got nothing to do with the whole context of what this discussion is about. I didnt think I'd need to break it down this much but clearly I was wrong...


Bullshit rock solid JDM track spec coil overs on the street are rubbish your kidneys cop a beating and your tyres can lose contact with the road which is just plain dangerous.


ffs, my 180 has bc coils, set to stiffest setting, the ride isnt kidney smashing, unless you aim for pot holes, and it def rides better then any 'sex spec' car on 20" dolches with compressed springs and standard shocks.

Again, learn to read. BC coilovers are NOT intended for hardcore track use. Sure they will see the minimal track days here or there for some guys who have these coilovers, but how can you link BC coilovers to it being a "bullshit rock solid JDM track spec coilover"? Hardcore track day people dont use BC coilovers because its not the best coilover for that application (i.e hardcore track). Your BC coilovers are intended for street use which will see the occasional track day, correct? Thus, it will be somewhat more comfortable even at their stiffest setting. So how can you liken that do what 2GU UP said? fark me...

EDIT : by the way, your BC Coilovers are NOT JDM. They're made in Taiwan. BC standing for "Bor-Chuann". (NFI what that means)
http://www.bcec.com.tw/

2GU UP
23-01-11, 04:53 PM
you can't put brains in statues man LOL

Oxer
23-01-11, 05:16 PM
This discussion is far from healthy, and im not going to join it :)

Pictures dont prove anything, if you know what youre talking about I think youll find that you dont feel the need to go on the internet and argue about it, just to convince yourself that you are right.

Haha.. convincing someone who has 'E-knowledge' that there are 2 sides to everything is like trying to turn the pope athiest.


do you even have half an idea of how suspension works?
im talking from over 10 years of trade experience, what experience are you talking from?


I'm talking about massively undersized tyres and stupid camber settings
ie: 10" wide rim with 225 rubber and -6 degrees camber
i dont care who you think you know, it is never going to handle well ive done it and its rubbish the car is so unstable its an absolute joke
when your using an inch of tyre on the road, you are going to damage rims and destroy the tyres sidewall just from normal driving

But if you are daily driving your car, then you would be sticking to the speed limit no? I dont quite understand how a car wouldnt 'handle' or be unstable when you are doing 60km/h. I have done some stupid things in my time, eg. Drive a car with no springs as a daily for 3 months, and I didnt kill myself or anyone else? I wont argue that the ride was shithouse, I know it was, but no harm was done to anyone.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/oxchopshop/IMG_1131iii.jpg

The car was a pos, and before you call me out for how much damage driving a car with no springs does, I bought it for $100, and pland on destroying it regardless. For $100 I got to see what it does first hand, unlike most on the net who jump on board and tear people new arseholes without having been there and done it.

as for the brains in statue comment, who's bringing no value to the discussion here :rolleyes:

I think its more of an attitude problem which makes evcery "sex spec vs JDM" thread get closed. I wont point fingers, just merely stating the fact, and its the reason a lot of people who have been in the scene for a while stay out of topics such as this.

2GU UP
23-01-11, 05:31 PM
Run a stupidly under sized tyre and massive camber like all of these real VIP cars and see how it drives, at 50km/h it tracks all over the road and is so unstable its just a joke.
I cant wait to get my car back on the road with a normal sized rim and have more than 50% of my tyre on the road, so it drives like a normal car.

Oxer
23-01-11, 05:41 PM
I know first hand how it handles, and to be honest, you musnt have had a proper alignment, because My car drove dead straight at 60km/h.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5170/5281377755_785fa4507b_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5208/5281404079_af50419547_b.jpg

What I dont understand is how you can call stretched tires 'unsafe' when on most 'sex spec' cars, you run a 30 profile tire, on a 20" wheel, that has no load rating at all. Pointless argument is pointless. Stretched rubber with a healthy 45 profile, or rubber band, I know which I prefer.

Wink
23-01-11, 05:50 PM
Oxer vs 2GU UP

Unstoppable force vs immovable object

...

http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo272/d83hekjfd89dj/michael-jackson-popcorn.gif

llama_au
23-01-11, 06:18 PM
Oxer vs 2GU UP

Unstoppable force vs immovable object

...

http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo272/d83hekjfd89dj/michael-jackson-popcorn.gif

I love you, you just made my day :lol::lol::lol:

Oxer
23-01-11, 06:21 PM
I lol'd

saad
23-01-11, 06:35 PM
wait a minute this whole sex spec thing is actually BS. I dont think you can define a sex spec car by the parts it uses, but for its intention. A car modded purely to turn heads is sex spec, a car for shows is a show car. I think most of us are JDM/Sex Spec, I sure am, as really how good is it when randoms complement you on how nice your car is?

Guys who just chuck some springs on and big chromes arent really modders or enthusiasts at all, so lets not count them

JDM - using JDM parts etc
sex spec - built to turn heads.

Combine the two and you have something most people can appreciate.

I just dont like chrome wheels in general, but dont mind a bit of tyre tuck.

Serial Killa
23-01-11, 06:40 PM
Call it a stereotype if you will, but I just can't stand rude, rubber-necking, loud, sexist pigs in overdone cars, cruising around town giving all modified car owners a bad name (Sex spec or JDM). It seems like neandertholic (is that a word) behaviour to me.

But on the other side of the argument. The tryhard in his JDM Skyline/Silvia/Civic/Chaser/Evo/WRX who thinks it's clever to hit max rpm in 2nd gear in a 50 zone, also gets the same reaction from me. At least the 'sex-spec' cruisers aren't going to run anyone over and kill them, which in the long run, is probably the thing you'd wanna get away from if you can.

The general public has one brush and it paints the whole car community with that same brush.

So as it's been mentioned before, it's not so much the cars, but the small number people over-represented in the scene that breaks it. Shame really. I'm kinda glad the only thing I own with wheels now, is a bicycle.

INVSBL
23-01-11, 06:43 PM
gtfo our roads you two wheeled menace

:p

2GU UP
23-01-11, 06:44 PM
I wouldn't rather either tbh.

I personally hate 30 series tyres, I've never had anything lower than a 35 profile on my 20s.
You gutter the shit out of your wheels with 30s no matter how careful you are.

With my 20x12s with 245/35s and about 8 degrees of negative camber on the rear the car drove like shit, alignment was spot on and it was never an enjoyable car to drive.
It has to do with the size of the rim and the low profile, I had 15" linea sports on my civic with stretched tyres and it drove fine. But the skyline with the 20s forget it.
The RWD factor could have something to do with it as well.
But either way I know I would rather the right size tyre on a rim that actually fits on the car nicely.

Thats why im going 19x9.5 +12 with a tyre that fits properly. Instead of 20x12 -5 and 245/35.

Alexx
23-01-11, 06:45 PM
you get the good and bad in every 'scene'

End of the day quality never goes out of fashion.

Serial Killa
23-01-11, 06:46 PM
gtfo our roads you two wheeled menace

:p

I'LL KICK YOUR SHITBOX WITH MY CLEATS!

LOL :P

Oxer
23-01-11, 06:58 PM
you get the good and bad in every 'scene'

End of the day quality never goes out of fashion.

and wise men will always be around ;)

harris
23-01-11, 10:44 PM
wait a minute this whole sex spec thing is actually BS. I dont think you can define a sex spec car by the parts it uses, but for its intention. A car modded purely to turn heads is sex spec, a car for shows is a show car. I think most of us are JDM/Sex Spec, I sure am, as really how good is it when randoms complement you on how nice your car is?

Guys who just chuck some springs on and big chromes arent really modders or enthusiasts at all, so lets not count them

JDM - using JDM parts etc
sex spec - built to turn heads.

Combine the two and you have something most people can appreciate.

I just dont like chrome wheels in general, but dont mind a bit of tyre tuck.

I thought sex spec was a smooth look with massive wheels.
eg
Lancer with veilside kit chrome wheels and neons in the interior isn't sex spec.

S15 with clean bodykit snake skin interior and 22inch chrome wheels is sex spec.

I guess we'd need some sex specers in here to hear what they actually define as sex spec.

2GU UP
23-01-11, 10:45 PM
harris you're spot on

Devzaaa
24-01-11, 02:42 AM
What I am always amused at is when people say these sex-speccers (I'm going to use this term, despite disagreeing with its generalisation) have "ruined" a specific car, be it a RX7, Silvia, WRX etc etc. One, in general terms a car is just a transportation machine with wheels, doors and whatever else cars come with. Who is to say that a sex-spec styled car is no longer useful? Apart from the most dedicated of showcars - which need to look their best at ALL times - they all still move, drive, transport and serve their basic purpose as a car. So many people are saying that the aforementioned RX7s, Silvias or WRXs with their demonically loud sound systems and big wheels are a waste of what could be a good performance car.. But since when is that the ONLY possible job that a car should be doing?

And two, if you disagree with it all so much then build one to your taste and watch the tables turn; you'd be the one getting laughed at by them!

Why people still choose to get so fired up over subjective tastes and opinions is ridiculous. It seems almost pointless to continue arguing a neutral case and trying to intertwine the several styles of modification so that they can co-exist (kinda) peacefully!


At 2:41AM this is making less and less sense to me... Nvm. :S

KEV248
24-01-11, 09:10 AM
those pics make me miss my car how it was back then LOL

the problem here is not enough people on here understand what "building" a car means.
i would love to see how many people on this forum have actually built a car from the ground up rather than just bolted a JDM catalogue to it and call it built.
No matter what the car is or how its built if the execution is spot on everyone should appreciate it no ifs or buts.
Like the idiots on here calling SUBLIME rubbish or what ever, maybe build something yourself to begin with then criticise others.
Because Im 110% sure there is only about 1 percent of users on here who have actually built a car from top to bottom and know the bullshit you go through when building a car.
That S15 was built to compete at shows and it does that perfectly well, now kids what are your cars slapped together for? hanging out at cabramatta HJs with all the other Vtec lovers?
Grow up and realise that JDM isn't the only way of building cars, and its not the best way either.
Stripped interiors are only good for track cars only not street cars it makes the car noisy as all fuck to drive its uncomfortable and it makes driving the car a chore.
Stupid wide wheels with stretched tyres and massive camber angles is good for photos and nothing more, ive been there and done that and its stupid the car drives like shit, much worse than putting tempe chromies on a car.
Bullshit rock solid JDM track spec coil overs on the street are rubbish your kidneys cop a beating and your tyres can lose contact with the road which is just plain dangerous.

These are just a few examples but i could go on for days on how not to mod a car but no one is going to listen so who gives a rats.

End of the day everyone needs to realise its time to grow up, we are not fighting a war here, its the car scene.
We get pumped by every stupid group of people because apparently we kill people with our cars, and then we go making things worse by fighting with in the scene at the same time.
We all need to learn to live together and stick by one another because we are the "enemy" according to the media.
So maybe its time you guys all got off your JDM high horses and realise we need to fight the majority to keep our love for cars alive other wise its gonna be stock camrys for everyone in the near future.

did i ever tell u how much i love ya anth u sick kient LOL...

that is the greatest post EVER in this entire thread, anthony has hit the nail on the head

alot of people are missing the point in this thread...stephen8512's point about the whole "LebDM" is referring to something like this:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/KEV248/Sydney%20Autosalon%202008/Cars/IMG_6578.jpg

I dont class that as Sexspec...Sexspec to me is something like this:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/KEV248/Autosalon%20Final%20Battle%202010/Cars/9d1fa076.jpg

At the end of the day, you cant teach someone how to modify their car, they do it cause its what they like...u dont have to like it...its your choice.

Ive seen it all, ive seen bad...good....horrible....and just plain wrong!! These many forums out there show you everything, and yes...ive seen times its hard to read what people say about your own taste in cars. But ive learnt, just take it and deal with it...everyone has their own opinions about what they like. You build cars to suit YOURSELF....not everyone else. As long as you enjoy it, thats all that matters!!!!!

Who cares what other people think about other styles? You guys share a common passion for the "JDM" scene of cars. Thats what this forum is about. Anthony's last comment is probably the one thing people should read and take in the most, we are all motoring enthusiasts at the end of the day, and the police/media may or may not like what we do. I dont wanna be driving a stock car for the rest of my life, that would be just boring!!!

Serial Killa
24-01-11, 09:39 AM
How about we come up with a different name for it, as I've suggested before.

Because 'SEX SPEC' is a horrible name and makes all the Sex Spec enthusiasts sound like sex crazed, womanizing pigs. When most are simply into cars.

KEV248
24-01-11, 10:06 AM
there is another name for it, ive heard quite a bit mostly from other states...they call it "Sydney Spec"...cause it seems Sydney is the only place where it gets done the most lol

clutch-monkey
24-01-11, 10:10 AM
yep i've heard sydney spec thrown around a lot up here lol.
not that the gold coast is immune to that sort of thing!

KEV248
24-01-11, 10:15 AM
yep i've heard sydney spec thrown around a lot up here lol.
not that the gold coast is immune to that sort of thing!

you guys have your fair share up there!!! but no where near as much as sydney lol

clutch-monkey
24-01-11, 12:39 PM
i think we get more minitruckers up here, so fair's fair :lol:

Oxer
24-01-11, 02:31 PM
Minitruckers are like the plauge, they're everywhere.... I know, because Im am a recovering one, from several years of abuse. :lol:

KEV248
24-01-11, 03:28 PM
Minitruckers are like the plauge, they're everywhere.... I know, because Im am a recovering one, from several years of abuse. :lol:

As much as i love the work that goes into the properly built minitrucks....there are alot of WANNABES out there....

And yes...they are like a plauge....no lies there!

stephen8512
24-01-11, 03:51 PM
plague *

slingsy
24-01-11, 04:38 PM
If you are building or modifying or buying a car purely to increase your appeal to women...

...you're doing it wrong.

+1

Biggie
24-01-11, 05:17 PM
meh.

i think the problem is you cant really define every car into a category,

sex spec is a stereo type and i think JDM style is too.

i.e someone says sex spec i automatically conjure up images of two tone tribal graphics on 22's with peach interior

however not every build is like that. there have been some truly horrible horrible cars built (okay a lot of horrible horrible cars) and some that have come into the studio that have had elite class build quality that i can appreciate.

same goes for a civic on rotas wit chopped springs and good fitment both are garbage to me.

Every build is different. And some cars from the sex spec stereo type have made my physically ill. but thats my personal taste.

I don't really care how you build you car. if i hate it im not going to say anything - even if i think it should be burnt in a fire because who am i to judge your car.

a well executed car is a well executed car. And the lines between all the different styles are becoming increasingly blurred.

There are the hard core elements in each group. The JDM gangsters, and the Habbibbie 2002 Sydney specials the rest of us are somewhere in the middle.

if you dont like something dont say anything - and this is coming from a hardcore hater of the whole "sex spec stereo type"

sinista
24-01-11, 07:00 PM
lol there a some defining points of a terrible car in any case.... Anything with crystal vaults underneath it or dinner plate chrome is a perfect start lol

[ IV 23 VI ]
24-01-11, 07:24 PM
Dinner plate chromes can be fine as long as they are Japanese 3pc with the right style ;)

whyte
25-01-11, 11:17 AM
what if biggies car had gestalts and flush fitment, would that be cool???

[ IV 23 VI ]
25-01-11, 11:40 AM
It would be fully Hectik!

JDM-610
25-01-11, 12:05 PM
Sorry to butt in but I've never understood why they call is "sex spec" when there is nothing sexy about 22x6" rims, air-brushed murals of Chuck Norris and Number plates that read "NVMYVL" or "SXYGEM" etc etc

They should just call it "try hard spec" or "look at me spec" and be done with it.

I do believe though that ppl grow out of such scenes, I for example used to love the whole all show big rims, halo lights, under car neons and GT wings. Now it's more about power, handling and performance.

I also believe that everyone has their own "spec", I'm pretty sure I do, I don't try to be all JDM and rather mod my ride the way I want creating my own spec.

just my 2c worth....

The Panda
25-01-11, 01:25 PM
those pics make me miss my car how it was back then LOL

the problem here is not enough people on here understand what "building" a car means.
i would love to see how many people on this forum have actually built a car from the ground up rather than just bolted a JDM catalogue to it and call it built.
No matter what the car is or how its built if the execution is spot on everyone should appreciate it no ifs or buts.
Like the idiots on here calling SUBLIME rubbish or what ever, maybe build something yourself to begin with then criticise others.
Because Im 110% sure there is only about 1 percent of users on here who have actually built a car from top to bottom and know the bullshit you go through when building a car.
That S15 was built to compete at shows and it does that perfectly well, now kids what are your cars slapped together for? hanging out at cabramatta HJs with all the other Vtec lovers?
Grow up and realise that JDM isn't the only way of building cars, and its not the best way either.
Stripped interiors are only good for track cars only not street cars it makes the car noisy as all fuck to drive its uncomfortable and it makes driving the car a chore.
Stupid wide wheels with stretched tyres and massive camber angles is good for photos and nothing more, ive been there and done that and its stupid the car drives like shit, much worse than putting tempe chromies on a car.
Bullshit rock solid JDM track spec coil overs on the street are rubbish your kidneys cop a beating and your tyres can lose contact with the road which is just plain dangerous.

These are just a few examples but i could go on for days on how not to mod a car but no one is going to listen so who gives a rats.

End of the day everyone needs to realise its time to grow up, we are not fighting a war here, its the car scene.
We get pumped by every stupid group of people because apparently we kill people with our cars, and then we go making things worse by fighting with in the scene at the same time.
We all need to learn to live together and stick by one another because we are the "enemy" according to the media.
So maybe its time you guys all got off your JDM high horses and realise we need to fight the majority to keep our love for cars alive other wise its gonna be stock camrys for everyone in the near future.

I very rarely agree with 2gu up, but this is post of the thread by so fucking far its not even funny.

I love how people with some shitty low offset wheels on their carby civic are automatically touge masters. You're not. You are just another douche in a carpark telling everyone that your car is "form over function". Having had some interesting conversations with people who's cars i wouldnt fuck with my own dick, i have to say that the worst people in the 'car scene' are you. And the reality is, that your car is just as much of a show pony as SUBLIME, the only difference is that no one wants to sponsor that POS.

2GU UP
25-01-11, 02:07 PM
LOL well said panda.

Modified
25-01-11, 05:35 PM
The start of a long and beautiful friendship?

Anthony, what's your definition of building a car yourself? Cause understanding that will give me a better understanding if the point your trying to make. Is it doing some mechanical work yourself, or all of it?

llama_au
25-01-11, 07:38 PM
The start of a long and beautiful friendship?

Anthony, what's your definition of building a car yourself? Cause understanding that will give me a better understanding if the point your trying to make. Is it doing some mechanical work yourself, or all of it?

I'd take it one step further back. I still consider a car 'built yourself' even if the owner hasn't physically done the work. So long as they've researched the modifications and have an understanding of how they affect their car.

2GU UP
25-01-11, 10:58 PM
im not disputing the "built yourself"
im talking about the work "built"

i dont care who builds the car wether it be the owner or a workshop on the owners behalf
obviously because i own a workshop i prefer if people take their cars to workshops because it keeps our industry going LOL

its when people throw the word "built" at a car with a set of wheels and suspension.
i dont give a shit who you are or where you come from thats not building a car.

Building a car is stripping it to nothing and starting from scratch, or cutting it to bits and re-engineering the whole car to suit your goals
When the big mouths on here actually do that, they will realise its not as easy as it seems, and stop the shit slinging.
Then and only then will the people who think building a car is easy, appreciate the efforts that go in to the top notch cars in all different styles.

SLO40Z
25-01-11, 11:00 PM
this threads vered way off course, anyway

for those at tonights meet, i pose a question, that turbo civic sex spec or jdm?

for me it blurred the lines, the kit was a little over the top for me, but it had candy paint THAT WORKED and nice fitment, plus a nice engine, and fully built

thoughts??

Cooper
25-01-11, 11:21 PM
No one has mentioned DUB and I'm quite surprised. :/ That would have some influence on Sex-Spec and such..

comodrifter
26-01-11, 09:24 AM
To me a sex spec car is one that how ever well or poorly it's built has no real individuality. Chrome Tempe tyre specials, airbrushed of a half naked chick or a wolf. Creme leather interior a little too much chrome is some weird places. It where everyone modifies their car in the same stereotypical way that makes you questions why would you do that? It's a style I don't understand yet see countless amounts of attempts at it achieving it.
I consider the Gold BMW a sex spec car. Another way to define a sex spec car. A car that was clearly built for a purpose then too much money spent on something nothing to do with its purpose just to make it look "good".

Japan is different in the way that they build unique cars, everyone is different. Everyone in Sydney copies one another you could find every sex spec car in Sydney and the majority would have the same parts.
Clearly I struggle with that look and it may have something to do with the men it attracts.

SLO40Z
26-01-11, 09:28 AM
dont ever mention dub, the word dub and dubber belongs to the vw scene, not gimps rocking 'double 10'

R3SPCT
26-01-11, 10:24 AM
ive been across many forums with many arguments, discussions etc about jdm, sexspec, vip, dub and whatever else is out there these days.
the fact is, everyone has there own opinion and majority are followers here in the streets. people copy what other people do, from stupid asian chromes which look horrid or hot to stupid wheels with ridical offset and camber.
take a second and really try and define, jdm or sexspec, everyone would have a different explanation and not one would make complete sense to another
every individual would have there own stlyle and a mix-match between others
but to the losers who sit and brag on about how crap a car looks, maybe have a look at whats parked in your own driveway and re-look at the corners you have cut
i agree with some posts on here, some are just plain stupid
at the end of the day, you cant blame those who try, not everyone has a perfect car or have the money to spend on modifications
its about the style you personally choose

2GU UP
26-01-11, 11:32 AM
To me a sex spec car is one that how ever well or poorly it's built has no real individuality. Chrome Tempe tyre specials, airbrushed of a half naked chick or a wolf. Creme leather interior a little too much chrome is some weird places. It where everyone modifies their car in the same stereotypical way that makes you questions why would you do that? It's a style I don't understand yet see countless amounts of attempts at it achieving it.
I consider the Gold BMW a sex spec car. Another way to define a sex spec car. A car that was clearly built for a purpose then too much money spent on something nothing to do with its purpose just to make it look "good".

Japan is different in the way that they build unique cars, everyone is different. Everyone in Sydney copies one another you could find every sex spec car in Sydney and the majority would have the same parts.
Clearly I struggle with that look and it may have something to do with the men it attracts.


this really sums up the narrow minded mentality of too many users on this forum
congratulations my friend you have absolutely no idea

plAythiNG
26-01-11, 01:25 PM
To me a sex spec car is one that how ever well or poorly it's built has no real individuality. Chrome Tempe tyre specials, airbrushed of a half naked chick or a wolf. Creme leather interior a little too much chrome is some weird places. It where everyone modifies their car in the same stereotypical way that makes you questions why would you do that? It's a style I don't understand yet see countless amounts of attempts at it achieving it.
I consider the Gold BMW a sex spec car. Another way to define a sex spec car. A car that was clearly built for a purpose then too much money spent on something nothing to do with its purpose just to make it look "good".

Japan is different in the way that they build unique cars, everyone is different. Everyone in Sydney copies one another you could find every sex spec car in Sydney and the majority would have the same parts.
Clearly I struggle with that look and it may have something to do with the men it attracts.

In regards to the Gold BMW sex spec car, that can be related to alot of JDM cars. Cars that have rolll cages, stripped itneriors, $3k+ rims, all these suspension parts.

A car that was clearly built for a purpose then too much money spent on something nothing to do with its purpose just to make it look "good".

Cant you say the same with many JDM cars?

I think from these posts, readers will either love or hate jdm/sex spec cars, and there will be many in between. At the end of the day, its their money, let them do what they want.

Everyone in Sydney copies one another you could find every sex spec car in Sydney and the majority would have the same parts.

How many JDM Styled cars do you see with jdm wheels such as the ever so popular CE28N / TE37 / meisters/sp1 professors.

flickkickslide
26-01-11, 05:10 PM
personally, sex spec/jdm styled/track cars/ cruisers etc, at the end of the day have one thing in common.... owners who have a passion for there cars... i couldn't care less if i saw a charade dumped on 17's from tempe or anything like that cause i can appreciate what they are doing.

haters going to hate always with anything in this world but there narrow minded people that will bring down the modified car community and i personally dont want that to happen because it is a big family.

people been mocking that green s15 with the rotor... i say he has done well to think outside the box and to be different.. sure i wouldn't have done most the stuff that they have to that car but love it or hate it it is different and i can appreciate that..

end rant

Oxer
27-01-11, 02:14 AM
I very rarely agree with 2gu up, but this is post of the thread by so fucking far its not even funny.

I love how people with some shitty low offset wheels on their carby civic are automatically touge masters. You're not. You are just another douche in a carpark telling everyone that your car is "form over function". Having had some interesting conversations with people who's cars i wouldnt fuck with my own dick, i have to say that the worst people in the 'car scene' are you. And the reality is, that your car is just as much of a show pony as SUBLIME, the only difference is that no one wants to sponsor that POS.

Is that directed at someone such as myself?

If someone says they are "Form over Function" then technically they dont give a damn about how fast they go and wouldnt even bother racing on public roads as you claim.

Neck up idiot. Not everyone builds their car for 'sponsorship money', Ever heard of that thing called passion? I seriously doubt you understand the proper meaning of the word when applied to an automotive enthusiast, no matter what purpose they build their car for. Id say its ignorant people like yourself that ruin the 'car scene' when all you do is give your rediculous opinions over the internet, not once backing your statements with facts.

Dont get to upset over what I wrote, cause after all, Im just a wannabe touge master with a carby civic and low offset wheels looking for sponsors..... Hence the reason my car is efi and my wheels are worth more then yours.

KEV248
27-01-11, 08:32 AM
To me a sex spec car is one that how ever well or poorly it's built has no real individuality.

So if we put the SUBLIME 200sx in the mix here, in which 90% of people on this forum would consider "sexspec" has no real individuality???? You serious need to wake the fuck up, open your eyes and have a look around, cause i havent seen another sucide door, 3/4 chassis, tubbed, 20b rotor conversion 200sx around EVER!!!!!


Chrome Tempe tyre specials, airbrushed of a half naked chick or a wolf. Creme leather interior a little too much chrome is some weird places. It where everyone modifies their car in the same stereotypical way that makes you questions why would you do that? It's a style I don't understand yet see countless amounts of attempts at it achieving it.

I dont count that as Sexspec, i count that as "shitspec" cause that was done back in the early 2000s when Autosalon was a big show to go too!!!


I consider the Gold BMW a sex spec car.
I dont, its a Drag Car with show component in it. Moey's Drag car HAS NOT been judged at Autosalon or Motorex. He knows the car is probably one of the craziest built cars in the country. At the end of the day, he had guys at Motorex 2010 asking him to bring it to the US for SEMA cause even the yanks hadnt seen anything like that before!!

KEV248
27-01-11, 08:37 AM
personally, sex spec/jdm styled/track cars/ cruisers etc, at the end of the day have one thing in common.... owners who have a passion for there cars... i couldn't care less if i saw a charade dumped on 17's from tempe or anything like that cause i can appreciate what they are doing.

haters going to hate always with anything in this world but there narrow minded people that will bring down the modified car community and i personally dont want that to happen because it is a big family.

people been mocking that green s15 with the rotor... i say he has done well to think outside the box and to be different.. sure i wouldn't have done most the stuff that they have to that car but love it or hate it it is different and i can appreciate that..

end rant

FINALLY.....

A true enthusiast!!! They do exist on forums!!!

Its good to know that people out there like you do exist, rather then hating on everything that isnt in their bubble of modifying!!

saad
27-01-11, 10:24 AM
So we have established that sex spec is actually shit spec and autosalon cars etc are show spec. Sex spec then is basically a wannabe show spec?

Wink
27-01-11, 10:33 AM
So we have established that sex spec is actually shit spec and autosalon cars etc are show spec. Sex spec then is basically a wannabe show spec?

But if a sexspec car becomes a showspec car then is it sexspec showspec?
Can a showspec car become sexspec by having to much sexspec?

In the end I guess the final question is how much sexspec can a sexspec showspec if a sexspec could showspec sexspec?

ttshark
27-01-11, 10:35 AM
I saw a guy with a camry that was tricked out with chrome mouldings ALL over the car. everywhere. seriously.

As he was driving I witnessed a young bloke yell out of his car and mock him. The camry owner simply smiled and made it clear that he loves his car.

^this is the epitome of all types of interest. doesn't matter what style you like, fact is if you like it that's all that matters. love your own style rather than hate on others :)

SLO40Z
27-01-11, 10:36 AM
^there was way too many 'sex specs' in that post wink

anth
27-01-11, 10:45 AM
I admire you guys for your passion, because I cannot fathom how the hell you can be bothered to continue to argue about such trivial bullshit, over, and over, and over...

INVSBL
27-01-11, 10:46 AM
In the end I guess the final question is how much sexspec can a sexspec showspec if a sexspec could showspec sexspec?

you win.

ttshark
27-01-11, 10:48 AM
^ lol true. happens on every forum. I just joined in and I'm fukn bored as at work.

[ fuzzy ]
27-01-11, 10:55 AM
I admire you guys for your passion, because I cannot fathom how the hell you can be bothered to continue to argue about such trivial bullshit, over, and over, and over...

quoted for the truth!!

SLO40Z
27-01-11, 10:56 AM
ok i'm gonna try define the levels of sex spec we've vaguely touched on here, to give everyone a better understanding

shit spec- horrible 20" dinner plates on a car with standard colour, budget sound system,l shitty cannon and a drivers attitude to match...

sex spec- street driven, better choice in wheels (though still not my cup of tea), often resprayed with better interiors and sound systems, still only rocking a cannon and pod engine wise though

show spec- cars we all appreaciate, think sublime, 2GU UP (in its former glory), LVN LOW, BALLR, QSR's drag car... Cars that have been tricked out from top to bottom, new interiors, custom paint, 'proper' engine mods (or crazy conversions), often ridiculous AV systems AND proper wheels (billet or a japanese/euro brand)

despite hating a lot of them, i can understand the purpose of show spec cars, i'll use a car i wanna vomit everytime i see as an example, the LO4SHO prelude... it looks so stupid to me but i see its point, look at the autosalon judging criteria, then back at that car, and it ticks all the boxes...


ok so that went nowhere, but at least now we can again compare 'sexspec and jdm'

WIL70S
27-01-11, 11:21 AM
ok i'm gonna try define the levels of sex spec we've vaguely touched on here, to give everyone a better understanding

shit spec- horrible 20" dinner plates on a car with standard colour, budget sound system,l shitty cannon and a drivers attitude to match...

sex spec- street driven, better choice in wheels (though still not my cup of tea), often resprayed with better interiors and sound systems, still only rocking a cannon and pod engine wise though

show spec- cars we all appreaciate, think sublime, 2GU UP (in its former glory), LVN LOW, BALLR, QSR's drag car... Cars that have been tricked out from top to bottom, new interiors, custom paint, 'proper' engine mods (or crazy conversions), often ridiculous AV systems AND proper wheels (billet or a japanese/euro brand)

despite hating a lot of them, i can understand the purpose of show spec cars, i'll use a car i wanna vomit everytime i see as an example, the LO4SHO prelude... it looks so stupid to me but i see its point, look at the autosalon judging criteria, then back at that car, and it ticks all the boxes...


ok so that went nowhere, but at least now we can again compare 'sexspec and jdm'

LOL then what would you consider an eg civic sitting on 16x9.5 sprinthart wheels with standard paint and rocking a pod engine wise compared to say Dcups rx7?

shit jdm spec & sex jdm spec?

SLO40Z
27-01-11, 11:31 AM
ummm no... i wasnt trying to define jdm, thats alot harder to do IMO

i'd say thats budget jdm spec vs unlimited budget jdm spec

that said i'd still take the civic on sprintharts over say a crx on 19" tempe specials

ttshark
27-01-11, 11:35 AM
is there a classification for a civic with a cannon, pod, stickers and immitation rims?

oh wait...... ricer

SLO40Z
27-01-11, 11:37 AM
yeh fuck its just way to hard to define all this shit

i give up

lets leave it at this

haters gonna hate, regardless of how you modify your car, but if its what you want, do it

[ IV 23 VI ]
27-01-11, 11:51 AM
ok i'm gonna try define the levels of sex spec we've vaguely touched on here, to give everyone a better understanding

shit spec- horrible 20" dinner plates on a car with standard colour, budget sound system,l shitty cannon and a drivers attitude to match...

sex spec- street driven, better choice in wheels (though still not my cup of tea), often resprayed with better interiors and sound systems, still only rocking a cannon and pod engine wise though

show spec- cars we all appreaciate, think sublime, 2GU UP (in its former glory), LVN LOW, BALLR, QSR's drag car... Cars that have been tricked out from top to bottom, new interiors, custom paint, 'proper' engine mods (or crazy conversions), often ridiculous AV systems AND proper wheels (billet or a japanese/euro brand)

despite hating a lot of them, i can understand the purpose of show spec cars, i'll use a car i wanna vomit everytime i see as an example, the LO4SHO prelude... it looks so stupid to me but i see its point, look at the autosalon judging criteria, then back at that car, and it ticks all the boxes...


ok so that went nowhere, but at least now we can again compare 'sexspec and jdm'

Sexspec is sexspec just depends on the owners budget and taste, as with jdm.. carby civic on te37's or D cups there still both JDM styled..
Either way there are so many different style's in the car scene and not everyone will like eachothers cars.
We just have to live with it.

JDM-20L
27-01-11, 12:24 PM
I admire you guys for your passion, because I cannot fathom how the hell you can be bothered to continue to argue about such trivial bullshit, over, and over, and over...

I like this guy ^^ :)


Hey people.. I have a piece of string, Can anyone tell me how long it is?

SLO40Z
27-01-11, 12:25 PM
about 10

KEV248
27-01-11, 12:44 PM
ok i'm gonna try define the levels of sex spec we've vaguely touched on here, to give everyone a better understanding

shit spec- horrible 20" dinner plates on a car with standard colour, budget sound system,l shitty cannon and a drivers attitude to match...

sex spec- street driven, better choice in wheels (though still not my cup of tea), often resprayed with better interiors and sound systems, still only rocking a cannon and pod engine wise though

show spec- cars we all appreaciate, think sublime, 2GU UP (in its former glory), LVN LOW, BALLR, QSR's drag car... Cars that have been tricked out from top to bottom, new interiors, custom paint, 'proper' engine mods (or crazy conversions), often ridiculous AV systems AND proper wheels (billet or a japanese/euro brand)

despite hating a lot of them, i can understand the purpose of show spec cars, i'll use a car i wanna vomit everytime i see as an example, the LO4SHO prelude... it looks so stupid to me but i see its point, look at the autosalon judging criteria, then back at that car, and it ticks all the boxes...


ok so that went nowhere, but at least now we can again compare 'sexspec and jdm'

i lol'ed when i saw you mention my car under the "show spec" bit considering its a bog stock Audi (motor wise). i consider mine more sex spec then show spec. hahahahaha

but i agree with everything else in that thread apart from the bit about LO4SHO...i dont mind that car...Chris (the owner) is a mate of mine. I can see the amount of work that has gone into that car, i personally think he could have chosen a better car to do that one (never been a fan of preludes lol), but like u said, its done for autosalon judging, just like SUBLIME. LO4SHO came 3rd last year at autosalon only competing at 3 shows in total. So u can see he didnt have much to compete against!!!!

This whole thread will be an ongoing arguement. There is no right or wrong, it comes down to personal tastes. Obviously there are haters no matter where u go. But at the end of the day, a true enthusiast can respect the work that has gone into the cars they see...whether they like it or not.

Ive done autosalon shows in QLD, NSW and VIC. And i have to say each state has its own unique style. 2010 was a good example. The melbourne show was INSANE. It was massive...and most of the cars in that hall were JDM based...not show based. Then u go to the Sydney show, and thats where u see 99% of Sexspec/Shit Spec cars...QLD is all about horsepower...decent cars with more money under the hood.

SLO40Z
27-01-11, 12:58 PM
ahaha yeh but the rest of your car is done properly! lol

KEV248
27-01-11, 01:33 PM
thanks bro!

gach2
27-01-11, 01:48 PM
^ lol true. happens on every forum. I just joined in and I'm fukn bored as at work.

its only this forum that this happens
even the sexspec forum have an appreciation for jdm

both styles of cars have had fails in the past such as bodykits etc

jdm still have many fails such as black bonnets - why would you want to spray your bonnet to make it look like a ex writeoff

and rims sticking out of the guards is not practical - dont argue this with me, go argue with all the car manufacturers in the world - theres a reason no car was ever released like this

there are plenty of jdm cars which i believe are horrid
though these guys should not be discouraged as atleast they have passion for their cars

WIL70S
27-01-11, 01:55 PM
its only this forum that this happens
even the sexspec forum have an appreciation for jdm

both styles of cars have had fails in the past such as bodykits etc

jdm still have many fails such as black bonnets - why would you want to spray your bonnet to make it look like a ex writeoff

and rims sticking out of the guards is not practical - dont argue this with me, go argue with all the car manufacturers in the world - theres a reason no car was ever released like this

there are plenty of jdm cars which i believe are horrid
though these guys should not be discouraged as atleast they have passion for their cars


+1

seems that these days JDM is all about the look of the car and nothing else..
especially people on this forum, they could not give 2 shts about what the engine bay holds but instead they care about how clean the car is or how aggressive the stance of the car is.

bunch of posers in my opinion

Prancer
27-01-11, 01:59 PM
its only this forum that this happens
even the sexspec forum have an appreciation for jdm

both styles of cars have had fails in the past such as bodykits etc

jdm still have many fails such as black bonnets - why would you want to spray your bonnet to make it look like a ex writeoff

and rims sticking out of the guards is not practical - dont argue this with me, go argue with all the car manufacturers in the world - theres a reason no car was ever released like this

there are plenty of jdm cars which i believe are horrid
though these guys should not be discouraged as atleast they have passion for their cars

the reason no car was released like this is to keep rotating parts in the envelope of the car

[ IV 23 VI ]
27-01-11, 02:34 PM
+1

seems that these days JDM is all about the look of the car and nothing else..
especially people on this forum, they could not give 2 shts about what the engine bay holds but instead they care about how clean the car is or how aggressive the stance of the car is.

bunch of posers in my opinion

Japanese Domestic Market Style Tuning..... Im 100% sure that it does not mean only performance mods to make your car faster...
For example VIP is a form of JDM Style tuning aswell.

Other JDM styles of Tuning can be found in the Car Culture sub Forum.

WIL70S
27-01-11, 02:47 PM
i have a couple of questions for you guys..

for example.. Dcups on 20 inch chromes instead of those meisters? sill jdm or now sex spec?

that green rx7 previously posted..if that had 19 inch ce28s but eveyrhting else was still the same including that hideous interior..jdm or still sex spec?

[ IV 23 VI ]
27-01-11, 03:15 PM
Run a stupidly under sized tyre and massive camber like all of these real VIP cars and see how it drives, at 50km/h it tracks all over the road and is so unstable its just a joke.
I cant wait to get my car back on the road with a normal sized rim and have more than 50% of my tyre on the road, so it drives like a normal car.

When you have a real VIP car with massive camber, stretched tyres and super low stance like that, you drive slow anyways so it doesnt matter if it doesnt handle like its on rails, But like Oxer said a good allignment will fix the tramming, I noticed a big difference when I alligned my car after running -8.2deg on the Accord at a good allignment shop.

And I know someone will say but its dangerous, but hey, modding your car to go faster is also dangerous on the street.

WIL70S
27-01-11, 03:18 PM
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And I know someone will say but its dangerous, but hey, modding your car to go faster is also dangerous on the street.

so true

Zilli
27-01-11, 04:20 PM
i have a couple of questions for you guys..

for example.. Dcups on 20 inch chromes instead of those meisters? sill jdm or now sex spec?

that green rx7 previously posted..if that had 19 inch ce28s but eveyrhting else was still the same including that hideous interior..jdm or still sex spec?

funny thing is that green RX7 used to run low 12 all day every day every week at the track... forget about the number, but just think, the guy ACTUALLY takes his car out and drives it...

WIL70S
27-01-11, 04:28 PM
funny thing is that green RX7 used to run low 12 all day every day every week at the track... forget about the number, but just think, the guy ACTUALLY takes his car out and drives it...

lol so ive heard..thats what i find funny aswell..most of these 'show' cars would put most of these jdm cars on show!

Boosted_S13
27-01-11, 05:51 PM
someone should do a jdm sex spec styled car :) make both sides happy

on topic

i think if done well any car can look good jdm or sex spec
and thats my 2 cents lol

Oxer
27-01-11, 06:02 PM
someone should do a jdm sex spec styled car :) make both sides happy


That would be considered VIP

Boosted_S13
27-01-11, 06:08 PM
o yeah :P

SLO40Z
27-01-11, 06:19 PM
vip sex spec jdm

did someone just say flexus?

gach2
27-01-11, 07:35 PM
vip sex spec jdm

did someone just say flexus?

that cars sexspec
well atleast its definately sex

Serial Killa
27-01-11, 08:31 PM
I think it's appropriate to say here than anywhere else....

Those custom number plates, with any sort of sexual connotation, ALWAYS make the driver look like a wanker. And guess what.... women REALLY don't like it. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

This has been a public service announcement from someone who can see right through shallow douche bags

2GU UP
27-01-11, 08:51 PM
most custom plates are gay, thats why i got rid of mine.

Serial Killa
27-01-11, 08:52 PM
most custom plates are gay, thats why i got rid of mine.

All yours probably did was attract the po po :D

2GU UP
27-01-11, 09:00 PM
spot on
i went to court once for a number plate fine and they reckon my plates meant "to provoke police" LMAO

Gorilla
27-01-11, 10:45 PM
Ive said it many times. I always respect another persons car. I dont care if its covered in Christmas decorations, or a poo brown Ford Taurus that shitted out its own veilside body kit. I respect the owner for having an interest in cars. Would I do it? No, but we are all different. If we all had the same mind set, life would be like buying a box of Crayons in the same colour...

I can really appreciate alot of "Sex Spec" cars. Even that RX7 that has the TV in the flip up llights...I never even noticed that until Wink pointed it out. If they work and play, Id be interested to see how neat all the wiring etc would be. Sex Spec guys obviously have the same mentality as to people that buy art...spend a shit load of money on what looks good (Or shit), just to win awards, amgazine features etc. I think that Sublime car is a work of art. Its not something Id do, as I enjoy driving a car (I dont just mean on the back of a tow truck, or up and down George Street, I mean thrashing it around a track etc), but as I said I do appreciate the work that goes into these cars.

I think one word you guys are forgetting is RICE? Alot of the cars we are calling sex spec are just riced out cars....like 20" chromies on a stocker pulsar sss, with exhaust, chop springs and and "online" seat covers.

2GU UP
27-01-11, 10:54 PM
online seat covers were cool man

[ IV 23 VI ]
28-01-11, 07:41 AM
someone should do a jdm sex spec styled car :) make both sides happy


That would be considered VIP

A JDM Sexspec styled car would not be VIP,

There is a very big difference in wheel, tyre and suspension mods between the two.

VIP is what it is "VIP"..

Sexspec is totally different as with Drag, Drift, Touge, etc


vip sex spec jdm

did someone just say flexus?


that cars sexspec
well atleast its definately sex

Flexus is VIP no Sexspec at all, its a VIP platform car and modified with VIP parts. Not as crazy and wild as the VIP cars in Japan, but one of the better example's for a Australian VIP car.

JDM-20L
28-01-11, 08:28 AM
I think it's all just over analysed!

I am not biased to any style...

I just draw the line in the sand like this

GOOD TASTE + :) | BAD TASTE - :(

Even your beloved Japanese Domestic Market is guilty of poor taste...

There is SO much misinformation in this thread its not funny & for that reason I can really understand why a lot of people get it wrong and sit here and argue! Because they themselves do not even understand what they are on about...

Snoop G
28-01-11, 08:33 AM
spot on
i went to court once for a number plate fine and they reckon my plates meant "to provoke police" LMAO

mistake right there.
So now people are knockin custom plates and calling them gay.
R u serious people?
Whats more lame is individuality is being knocked and styles which seems to be widely accepted are being followed cause of fear of what others think.

WHO CARES.. do what u wanna do?
Cause in the end people are jealous .

mykk
28-01-11, 08:45 AM
Rice like this guy with insane offset?

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9021/6604796.jpg