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jimjams
09-02-12, 03:35 PM
basically my little Mazda sort of died the outer day. :(
and with the news that my girlfriend will have to have open hart surgery in the next few years ( after witch she can not have kids ).
so this means i will have to grow up a little so what i need is a wagon.
its needs to be manual, reliable, fun to drive, and easy to source parts, o and a little bit of power.
i have come down to 3 different cars.

Mitsubishi legnum vr4.
nissan stagea rs4.
subaru legacy/liberty b4.

I'm open to suggestions about any other cars from any outer make.
and any info about said cars.

whiteballz
09-02-12, 03:41 PM
Liberty GT's are pretty decent. and 03/4/5's are pretty low in price these days.

big fat paulie
09-02-12, 03:48 PM
Go the stagea. cause RB.

But seriously. They are cheap and pretty reliable and good parts availablity.

Been told the Legnums are a bitch to work on. So any work you have to pay a work shop to do will cost $$.

JDM Obsession
09-02-12, 04:22 PM
C34 Stagea fuel economy is probably the worst of the lot. M35 Stageas are apparently a bit better on fuel, not sure if they are in your budget though. Other than the fuel economy Stageas are great cars and I miss my old one a lot, I only sold it because the fuel was killing me.

Legnums are supposed to be pretty awesome to drive although difficult to work on with a tight engine bay setup. Apparently the autos can also have issues so try to find a manual if you can.

Lastly all of the cars you listed are typical 'snow' wagons so inspection for rust and body damage is pretty important.

whiteballz
09-02-12, 04:32 PM
Go the stagea. cause RB.

If my daily non turbo 2.2 liberty auto can keep within 1/2 a car length of Adams stag then perhaps its not sporty enough.

Run-It-Hard
09-02-12, 04:39 PM
Stagea all the way, fuel consumption is shit (mine's uber shit ... need a wheel alingment and all that jazz).

But so versitile, I love mine. No I'm not biased at all ...

Run-It-Hard
09-02-12, 04:41 PM
If my daily non turbo 2.2 liberty auto can keep within 1/2 a car length of Adams stag then perhaps its not sporty enough.

I started accelerating after you were infront of me bro lol problem?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eDrp_TBoAL4/TyUMBE8wFjI/AAAAAAAAR9Y/39oku2JS8us/s1600/Poker_FaceCzyste.png

whiteballz
09-02-12, 04:41 PM
Linky (http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/bmw-325i-1988-12060070)

Do this.

This is what you need.

rusty1
09-02-12, 07:18 PM
Toyota Caldina..........

Jace.
09-02-12, 07:28 PM
Linky (http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/bmw-325i-1988-12060070)

Do this.

This is what you need.

+1!

Or Volvo 850R?

ekx105
09-02-12, 07:47 PM
This!!

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n543/ohhneiloh/photo-67.jpg

Theres a red one around my area with really concaved XT7's! Such a nice wagon!!

91Diamante
09-02-12, 08:04 PM
Legnum all the way..
Convinced 2 friends to buy a legnum and 1 to buy a galant.
Tight engine bay? Not really, I've worked on magnas for 6 years and these present nothing new. If a workshop say's it's too hard, they are too lazy.
Automatics suffer from a wavespring problem, if you get a semi auto, take it a trans place and get them to replace it.

They are a fantastic car. If I needed a 3rd car, this would be it. SUCH a sexy looking wagon, A quality intercooler, boost solenoid, and dump pipe back setup with a tune will set you back $<2500 and in Manual form net you 180+kw at all 4 wheels.

Problems? The BIGGEST problem with them is the "lower control arm" issue. If you buy one, Make sure you replace these with genuine new items RIGHT AWAY. That's about it. Change those your good to go. They need the usual 100K service (T belt etc)

Stagea's look like hearses. Legnums, mmmm, so sleek. Also, the mate who I convinced to buy one, picked his up for $5K.......yep.....$5K.......granted maintenance was lacking but nothing a few days and new fluids does not fix.

sn00ze
10-02-12, 11:24 AM
Legnum Definitley, mine was manual and had basic mods with a tune got 193 awkw on a known very conservative dyno. Lower control arms are an issue, however I never had any problems, they were recalled in Japan and you will have a sticker on the rear window if the recall has been carried out on the lca's.

V6 magna mixed with an Evo is what they're like to work on, I'm a mechanic and it was a piece of piss to work on, engine bay is literally almost v6 magna. Manual box is typical Evo to remove for clutches etc. people are afraid of what they don't know, don't be told they're hard to work on its a crock of shit. Plus it doesnt look like a Volvo and with 200awkw you confuse many people lol. The ONLY downside is the brakes, really could do with Evo brembos but they're pretty much a bolt on mod( direct bolt on for the facelift models)

Ayc is awesome too :)
Few guys on ozvr4 are halfway through making up direct bolt on turbo kits with manifolds etc pretty comprehensive kit using gtr turbos, should see you close to 300 atw..... Manual boxes are pretty tough too.
Legnum=win

Oxer
10-02-12, 11:38 AM
How is this thread about culture exactly?

SSR
10-02-12, 12:02 PM
What are you going to do with the old 121?
What about a Subaru Liberty GT wagon 16k:
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/subaru-liberty-2004-11617357?vertical=Car&cr=5&eapi=2&__N=1216%201247%201252%201282%204294963801%2042946 80280%201622%204294680596&distance=25&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,Max~1|Mileage:Min,Max|Year:Min,Max |Seats:Min,Max|Power:Min,Max|TowingBrakes:Min,Max| EngineSize:Min,Max&sort=default
or a 05 WRX wagon:
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/subaru-impreza-2005-11910380?cr=17&distance=25&vertical=Car&eapi=2&Page=2&sort=LastUpdate&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294963801% 204294963800%204294680283&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,Max~1|Mileage:Min,Max|Year:Min,200 9|Seats:Min,Max|Power:Min,Max|TowingBrakes:Min,Max |EngineSize:Min,Max
These are just examples I found for a reasonable price upon a quick search...I'm sure if you look around you can find better examples and maybe even better deals..
OR get a wagon like this bad boy merc and stance it on some big classy wheels :)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MERCEDES-E230T-1997-7-SEAT-STATION-WAGON-ELEGANCE-/270908069351?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3f136115e7

tangy
10-02-12, 12:22 PM
how about a Subaru Forrester GT? they are pretty affordable these days

(not mine) link (http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/subaru-forester-1999-11945852?cr=6&distance=25&vertical=Car&eapi=2&page=1&sort=~Price&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294963801% 204294963567%204294788300%20898&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,Max~1|Mileage:Min,Max|Year:Min,Max |Seats:Min,Max|Power:Min,Max|TowingBrakes:Min,Max| EngineSize:Min,Max)

RUNNINMEBROKE
10-02-12, 12:32 PM
1984 Nissan Bluebird Wagon....ssswwwwweeeetttttt.

pbk1776
10-02-12, 01:55 PM
C34 Stagea fuel economy is probably the worst of the lot. M35 Stageas are apparently a bit better on fuel, not sure if they are in your budget though. Other than the fuel economy Stageas are great cars and I miss my old one a lot, I only sold it because the fuel was killing me.

Legnums are supposed to be pretty awesome to drive although difficult to work on with a tight engine bay setup. Apparently the autos can also have issues so try to find a manual if you can.

Lastly all of the cars you listed are typical 'snow' wagons so inspection for rust and body damage is pretty important.

Yeah Stageas are good - and C34 aren't fuel eco friendly than m35 - none the less they still both chew up a lot of petrol
With my m35 stock just suspension and wheels - I get 550/tank hwy and city driving on and off I get 400-450/tank

69stibug
10-02-12, 01:59 PM
Volvo, best wagon. V70
Or do a Subaru wagon. With a ej257


It's not how we fall which defines us but how we rise after falling

unclepaulie
10-02-12, 08:08 PM
Legnum all the way..
Convinced 2 friends to buy a legnum and 1 to buy a galant.
Tight engine bay? Not really, I've worked on magnas for 6 years and these present nothing new. If a workshop say's it's too hard, they are too lazy.
Automatics suffer from a wavespring problem, if you get a semi auto, take it a trans place and get them to replace it.

They are a fantastic car. If I needed a 3rd car, this would be it. SUCH a sexy looking wagon, A quality intercooler, boost solenoid, and dump pipe back setup with a tune will set you back $<2500 and in Manual form net you 180+kw at all 4 wheels.

Problems? The BIGGEST problem with them is the "lower control arm" issue. If you buy one, Make sure you replace these with genuine new items RIGHT AWAY. That's about it. Change those your good to go. They need the usual 100K service (T belt etc)

Stagea's look like hearses. Legnums, mmmm, so sleek. Also, the mate who I convinced to buy one, picked his up for $5K.......yep.....$5K.......granted maintenance was lacking but nothing a few days and new fluids does not fix.




Legnum Definitley, mine was manual and had basic mods with a tune got 193 awkw on a known very conservative dyno. Lower control arms are an issue, however I never had any problems, they were recalled in Japan and you will have a sticker on the rear window if the recall has been carried out on the lca's.

V6 magna mixed with an Evo is what they're like to work on, I'm a mechanic and it was a piece of piss to work on, engine bay is literally almost v6 magna. Manual box is typical Evo to remove for clutches etc. people are afraid of what they don't know, don't be told they're hard to work on its a crock of shit. Plus it doesnt look like a Volvo and with 200awkw you confuse many people lol. The ONLY downside is the brakes, really could do with Evo brembos but they're pretty much a bolt on mod( direct bolt on for the facelift models)

Ayc is awesome too :)
Few guys on ozvr4 are halfway through making up direct bolt on turbo kits with manifolds etc pretty comprehensive kit using gtr turbos, should see you close to 300 atw..... Manual boxes are pretty tough too.
Legnum=win

+1 to these.

i have a mate with a stag, while it does have some very good qualities to it, it just looks so square. and you cant really change that easily.

jimjams
10-02-12, 08:19 PM
hmm i think the rust problem under the mirrors puts the stagea out.
the wrx wagon is to small.
i guess it comes to the liberty/legacy or a legnum.
the only concern i have with the legnum is parts availability i used to work for mitsu but we never got any of these through.
so i have no idea.
they are both pretty close the only difference being i can get a liberty a lot younger then the legnum.
but the legnum is very unique.

jimjams
10-02-12, 08:28 PM
batting for the subaru team.
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/subaru-liberty-2004-11617357?vertical=Car&cr=14&eapi=2&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294963801% 204294963605%201622%204294680280&distance=25&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,20000~1&sort=default

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/subaru-liberty-2004-12078018?cr=33&distance=25&vertical=Car&eapi=2&Page=3&sort=default&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294963801% 204294963605%201622%204294680280&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,20000~1

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/subaru-legacy-2001-11785758?vertical=Car&cr=3&eapi=2&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294963801% 201622%204294680280%204294958629&distance=25&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,20000~1&sort=default

last one is a bit rough but if i could find a good one.

PLTP
10-02-12, 08:29 PM
budget size of boot required? Ill assume you can afford a new car.

ct200h look amazing.
or a new saab should be dirt cheap now.
crz.

jimjams
10-02-12, 08:34 PM
team mitsubishi
http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/mitsubishi-legnum-2000-11992298?vertical=Car&cr=0&eapi=2&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%201622%204294 680280%204294964597%204294957255&distance=25&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,20000~1&sort=default

http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/mitsubishi-legnum-2000-11597737?vertical=Car&cr=7&eapi=2&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%201622%204294 680280%204294964597%204294957255&distance=25&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,20000~1&sort=default

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/mitsubishi-legnum-2000-12077738?vertical=Car&cr=10&eapi=2&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%201622%204294 680280%204294964597%204294957255&distance=25&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,20000~1&sort=default

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/mitsubishi-legnum-2000-12084553?vertical=Car&cr=14&eapi=2&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%201622%204294 680280%204294964597%204294957255&distance=25&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,20000~1&sort=default

jimjams
10-02-12, 08:35 PM
budget would be around 15k would proffer to spend less then this but would get a small loan if the right car comes up.
and boot needs to be biggish.

jimjams
10-02-12, 08:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXqj_UGnHnQ

ps i mean to place this thread in the general automotive section.

G54B
10-02-12, 08:47 PM
Someone has to say it...
Commodore/Falcon man. Cheap, easy to find parts, which are also cheap, piss easy to work on and nobody's going to look at you twice in one.
Should be able to get a ~100k VZ or BA/BF for ~$10k these days.

jimjams
10-02-12, 09:12 PM
i have had a think about it. my dad has a ba wagon but i can find a manual and that feel kind of well num to drive.

unclepaulie
10-02-12, 09:38 PM
hmm i think the rust problem under the mirrors puts the stagea out.
the wrx wagon is to small.
i guess it comes to the liberty/legacy or a legnum.
the only concern i have with the legnum is parts availability i used to work for mitsu but we never got any of these through.
so i have no idea.
they are both pretty close the only difference being i can get a liberty a lot younger then the legnum.
but the legnum is very unique.

first mistake. dont go anywhere near mitsu oz, unless you have specific part numbers.

if you get one, sign up and be a paid member for ozvr4.com ($10, if you can afford to own a legnum, you can afford $10) they/we/us will be able to find any part you desire.

sn00ze
10-02-12, 10:27 PM
first mistake. dont go anywhere near mitsu oz, unless you have specific part numbers.

if you get one, sign up and be a paid member for ozvr4.com ($10, if you can afford to own a legnum, you can afford $10) they/we/us will be able to find any part you desire.


+1.....parts availability is pretty damn good and getting better every day, I had no problems sourcing every single part for my 100k service, plus like paulie said, ozvr4 is the craziest community for helping each other out, worth 10 times the 10 dollar fee. They can get you/show you wher to source anything from the correct headlight globes to engine mounts to windshields. And if you have 15 k you'll get an epic clean possibly sub 100k facelift legnum....Might even get lucky and have change

91Diamante
10-02-12, 11:11 PM
Someone has to say it...
Commodore/Falcon man. Cheap, easy to find parts, which are also cheap, piss easy to work on and nobody's going to look at you twice in one.
Should be able to get a ~100k VZ or BA/BF for ~$10k these days.

My dad has a BF (dedicated gas) which I've had to drive for 2 months.

It's almost like they didn't care in any entire stage of making the car from drawings to the assembly.
Panel gaps are horrible
Noises, everywhere...
Interior plastics feel like horse shit.
General quality, crappy.

Not to mention the fitment of the carpet and interior plastics which is HORRIBLE.
If you have $15K to spend, please steer WELL away fro a domestic car. Sooooo unrefined.
Parts cheap/common/everywhere YES but with 3 minutes of phone calls with an import you'll find your part.

edit*
In saying that
Easy to drive
Heavy steering, wasnt a fan
Gear ratio's are awesome matched with the torquey I6
Gas economy is fantastic on the highway
Brakes are magnificent for standard
Overall just not a refined car....legnum is twice as old but feels newer...

G54B
11-02-12, 12:03 AM
Fair enough, only reason I suggested them was because they're cheap and insurance will cost less, lol :P

Legnums are pretty sweet, I remember being taken for a drive in one a few years back and being impressed at how nice it was :)
If I can suggest an alternative though, in keeping with the low insurance cost theme, maybe an '00-'01 Magna wagon (TE? I think) with the DOHC 3.5L V6 and 5-speed manual? Not quite as nice or as quick as the Legnums, Stageas, Liberties etc but still, not a bad car. Could be biased though, I've just been given my uncle's old one to replace my old VC Commodore.

TONTON
11-02-12, 01:42 AM
Just get a turbo jap wagon... easy to work on, resale wont suffer as much as holdens/falcons...

So i'd stick with:

Liberty GT/ Legacy GT's ( older ones aswel)
Forester GT/ XT
WRX wagon
Stagea
Legnum

Just test drive them all, and pick one that you like the most..

snappy
11-02-12, 01:54 AM
My mate owns vashcats old legnum, the one with the plates BAL54G, he's looking to sell it for about half the amount of money your looking to spend.

jimjams
11-02-12, 09:03 PM
yeah i think i wil get a legnum thank you gents. seems to better bang for your buck. and thanks snappy but I'm after a face lifted model.

[[d a n n y]]
11-02-12, 09:50 PM
having owned a 05GT Wagon and also a M35 Stagea wagon previously
and also having exp with legnums
id say the best out of the bunch will be the liberty

1. Parts are cheap
2. Fuel consumption is considerably better than the stag or the legnum
3. Easy to get power out of being a boxer
4. For space wise the M35 is the biggest hands down and the liberty and the legnum similar
5. Newer than the other 2
6. Aus delivered (insurance parts etc)

Kazzae
14-02-12, 04:48 PM
Liberty Wagon would be sweet. Always been a wagon fan. I think that im the only person that likes the new Liberty's but 35K for a newish one is laughable

Could always go for Legnum. Such a great car.

Also i was looking at Evo Wagons from Japan
They would cost a little more but i bet you could grab one for a good price

That would be my ultimate choice next to a E63 or M5 wagon

jimjams
15-02-12, 01:24 AM
good point but after looking around it seems the legnum is the best bang for buck.
every time i look there are legnums for about 14 grand with around 60,000 ks a liberty for the same price has around 120,000 ks and very few of them are turbo charged.
a m35 would be nice but i can't seem to find a manual and the older stagea has rust issues witch for me is a big deal as i surf.
an evo wagon would be soooo good but to expensive.

one question to legnum owners when i was working for Mitsubishi there was always talk of the evo gear boxes (not being fragile as such) but not taking poor treatment well i know we replaced maybe 3 or 4 in two years.
i just wonder if this rings true in the legnum.

[[d a n n y]]
15-02-12, 09:51 PM
there are no M35 wagons unless u get your M35 S2 Autech
most legnum (actually all) are clocked back
Least for the AUDM liberty's u know the km's are genuine

jimjams
16-02-12, 05:47 PM
thats a good point.

D.K.C
16-02-12, 06:13 PM
http://forum.jdmstyletuning.com/showthread.php?41547-NSW-97-Mistubishi-RVR-HSG-%28Reconditioned-EVO3-engine-forged-pistons%29&p=1130519#post1130519

jimjams
16-02-12, 07:50 PM
very nice but possibly a bit short.
thanks for the heads up.

sn00ze
17-02-12, 07:31 AM
My old legnum is up for sale on here... Has a small dent on rear bar (I reversed into a friggin retaining wall) but I put 8-9k into the car in the two years I owned it. Battery relocation, exhaust fmic fuel pump rocker cover gaskets spark plugs timing belt water pump, gearbox is brand new, rear diff is new ayc works beautifully electronic boost controller and a tune and I made 192 awkw.

It could do with a good claybar and polish but apart from that it's had all the $$ spent.
It's in the cars f/s thread , sorry for not posting link but to early in the morning...I know the guy selling isn't asking for alot.

jimjams
17-02-12, 03:03 PM
still not shore about the legnum. what i can gather is that the legnum is a better car but comes with more risk and cost. simply because that are all Imported.
going to look at this one on mounday. if there is no log book then i wil not get it.
http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/mitsubishi-legnum-2000-11597737?vertical=Car&cr=5&eapi=2&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294964597% 204294957255&distance=25&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,Max~1&sort=default

on the outer end of the spectrum i can get a 2008 falcon wagon with 50ks on it for 13 grand from pickles.

so i could get something i like or get something cheap and reliable and wait till i gain a better career before getting a nice car.

or maybe something in the middle a oz delivered liberty gen 3 or 4. but that seem to cost a little more.

GoldZilla
19-02-12, 05:56 AM
If you're not going for a Legnum or Stagea (which is my pick, but I might be biased :P), my choice would be a Gen 4 Liberty. The current version is ugly in my opinion, but almost every time I see a clean Gen 4 wagon I have to take a second glance.

You might pay a bit more for one, but it's because it's a very well put-together car, is refined, and was built to be a premium Japanese mid-sizer. You should be able to find one at around $15k if you do lots of searching and are prepared to negotiate.

munga
19-02-12, 09:15 PM
hilux ute and an mx5.

jimjams
20-02-12, 03:05 PM
haha i have already had a think about that iddea munga haha

well a gen4 liberty would be the middle of the road idea.

as i said before a ford is smarter cash wise but not what i would like but a legnum is exactly what i whont but will end up costing more in parts and possibley be very difficult to get repaird.
but a liberty is awsome and i do like them but being australian deliverd thay make better sence to my bank acount.

just had a look at a legnum at extrem imports i think it was.
it is a very nice car no damage recaro seats momo steering wheel sun roof. no damage under the car no muck in the engine just a realy new looking car.
only problem it was a snow driven car juged by the snow tiers that where still on it. and thay didnt have log books.

if i made more cash and had a better career i would have got it then and there but i need something that wont cost me an arm and a leg to get fixed.

maybe a liberty is the answer.

Celica_Gt4
20-02-12, 04:09 PM
Toyota Caldina ST-215
3SGTE Tubo 2L 4cyl
AWD sytem
$9K - $15K

http://www.gt4oc.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=58&p=1245823

dj_konix
20-02-12, 07:18 PM
Here is another option:

How about a Mitsubishi RVR? evo 3 motor, tonnes of space, ease of parts due to motor it runs, the hypergears come with a sweet kit :) recaros standard and all the other good sh*t.

And i just so happen to have a very modified example for sale :P

http://forum.jdmstyletuning.com/showthread.php?41625-My-RVR-needs-to-goto-another-home-(

nattto69
21-02-12, 12:53 AM
liberty all the way, i got a soft sport for em

jimjams
21-02-12, 01:51 PM
the toyota is a little small as is the rvr.
i do like the rvr though one of my fav od ball cars when i worked for mitsu.

for the combination of practicality and performance the liberty wins.

dj_konix
22-02-12, 07:38 PM
rvrs are hardly small, the rear folds out to a bed and with the rear seat out its like having a van haha, great cars and i will be buying another one someday for a track hack. Go take one for a little drive and see what you think, they are VERY spacious and seat 4 more than comfortably :)

Civic Type R
19-03-12, 08:08 PM
Thinking outside the brick.

Volvo V70R MY04.
220kw 2.5 AWD turbo Manual 6 speed.
Can get easy 300kw with tune.
Full leather interior, 4 pot Brembo all round, superior European engineering and best bang for buck.
O wait, theres one currently for sale. (not mine)

ikhwan666
20-03-12, 03:21 AM
Libero maybe?

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Mike%20Garrett/01Nov/snap/nzwag.jpg

brend0n
20-03-12, 11:26 AM
but a legnum is exactly what i wont

I think you've answered your own question, think of it this way, to get the same general repairs done to similar (import) cars whats the price difference likely to be, negligible if you shop around...

sssmick
09-06-12, 02:51 PM
R31 Skyline!

jimjams
09-06-12, 08:20 PM
ok sorry for the neglect of this thread by me.
but a lot has happened since my last post.
had a look at some nice legnums and was set on one until my girl got some news from the doctor.
long story short she has three years to have kids.
so after a lot of talking and thinking i decided this was it she's the one.
now we rant married or engaged or anything yet but with this decision and news i had to reconsider what car i was able to get.
it had to be a lot cheaper to by and maintain so a true import was decided against as was a turbo.
it still had to be sporty though.
so i got this.
http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u386/jimjams121/_DSC0362.jpg
http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u386/jimjams121/_DSC0361.jpg

it may not be a evo/libero wagon but being the vrx it came with a strut bar. rear sway bar and lower stiffer suspension.
not to mention the 2.4 ltr mivec 4g69.

build thread here.

http://forum.jdmstyletuning.com/showthread.php?44665-the-lancer-ch-of-jimjams.

thank you for all suggestions they all helped gentlemen.

dimi_108
10-06-12, 01:24 AM
Stagea 260RS

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