Car generation dying out???

[SSR]

What's your opinion?
http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/car-generation-dying-out-20120524-1z68j.html


Car generation dying out
Youth more than interested in terabytes than cubic inches.
The 389-cubic-inch overhead-cam V-8 holds a sweet spot in many aging hearts, but their grandchildren are more likely to lust after a 1-terabyte hard drive streaming video to a high-resolution screen.
‘‘Today, it’s not the most critical thing in the world to have the most exciting car,’’ said Jim Wangers, 85, known as ‘‘the godfather’’ of the Pontiac GTO, which helped define the muscle car era.
‘‘In the 1960s it was absolutely mandatory that you had a swinging set of wheels. Now, personal mobility has been replaced by personal mobility on the Web.’’
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America’s fabled love affair with the car hasn’t ended, but like many a romance that gets off to a smoking-hot start, it has evolved over the years into more placid coexistence rooted more in need than pleasure.
There are a multitude of reasons: The roads don’t seem so free or open as they were when the affair blossomed after World War II. Congestion and the pillory at the gas pump have reined in some of the wanderlust.
Hot cars once were a teenage status symbol, but now four wheels matter most as a way to the shops.
And the meeting place of social cyberspace means there’s a lot less need to go anywhere to commune with friends.
People younger than 30 are showing increasing disdain for owning combustion-engine power. Saddled with university debt and concerned about the environment, fewer are bothering to get driver’s licences, more are moving to transit-friendly cities and new apps are expanding the arsenal of alternatives to owning a car.
‘‘My parents were both born in the 1950s, and one of the things we’d do is just pile into the car and go driving around with no particular destination,’’ said Aaron DeNu, 33, who grew up in suburban Cincinnati but now lives in Washington, DC, and chooses not to own a car.
‘‘I think the car is less tied to your identity than it was in the 50s.’’
NASCAR has discovered that younger people aren’t being lured by the roar of high-performance engines. To expand a rapidly greying fan base it has urged popular drivers to take to Facebook and Twitter. Now Jeff Gordon tweets regularly to more than 200,000 followers and has more than 458,000 Facebook fans.
But younger people seem more interested in fiddling on the Internet than under the hood, and they’re finding it provides more ways to get around than ever before.
Online services that provide short-hop rental vehicles for trips to the grocery store or mall are facing competition from new apps that let car owners rent their private vehicles to strangers through online connections.
And now there is an app that allows drivers to post their coming and goings to fill empty seats with passengers.
‘‘Right now we’re on all the mobile platforms,’’ said Jason Conley of Avego, a global company that provides real-time ridesharing information for commuters.
‘‘Smartphone penetration just hit 50 per cent this past Christmas, so more and more people have a small computer in their pocket and can avail themselves of lots of transportation options.”
‘‘It’s not advantageous to have a car, and sometimes it’s disadvantageous,’’ says Kate George, 30, who does most of her travel around Washington on her bike or by subway.
‘‘It’s a lifestyle you get used to, and you see your friends without cars and you realise you don’t necessarily need one.’’
Nationally, the number of kilometres driven by people younger than 35 dropped by 23 per cent between 2001 and 2009, according to research by the think tank Frontier Group.
More than a quarter of those in that age group don’t own a driver’s licence.
The study that Frontier Group released in April attributed the shift away from driving to several things, including a doubling of petrol prices since 2001 and the ability of people on buses and subways to stay plugged into their social network without feeling guilty about distracted driving.
The lack of desire to drive has been influenced, in part, by economics.
One in five people aged 25 to 34 lives with parents or grandparents. In the past decade the percentage of people younger than 35 without a driver’s licence has risen to 26 per cent.
In rural America, a licence and a car may remain a necessity for young people. But so does fuel economy, so the car of choice may be a four-cylinder rather than the muscle car of yore.
Now, 75 per cent of the people who buy the iconic Chevrolet Corvette are older than 45.
‘‘If you look at Main Street America on weekends, they’re still driving up and down Main Street,’’ said Michael T. Marsden, a professor of American studies at St. Norbert College who has researched the subject.
‘‘Has some of the excitement shifted to other media? Of course it has, but that has been replaced to some extent by the older generation that now purchases the muscle cars and actually does the cruising on weekends.’’
In bigger cities, however, congestion has stifled the sense of freedom drivers once found behind the wheel, says Timothy K. Gilbert, who chairs the automotive marketing department at Northwood University in Florida.
‘‘When you begin to look at the vehicle as more utilitarian you begin to look at alternatives, because it’s only a method of transportation,’’ he says.
‘‘The way people look at the automobile reflects maybe not uncertainty as much as ambivalence.’’
Is ambivalence the death of romance?
‘‘Are we really ever going to get over the love affair? I doubt it,’’ Marsden says. ‘‘Automotive culture, that love affair is a deep one. And we may have to compromise, we may have to shift, we may have to redefine it, but it’s a pull.
‘‘It’s a deep, deep pull.’’
The Washington Post

[whiteballz]

Interesting idea, I'm pretty biased as I've been into cars for as long as I can recall.

Most of my friends revolve around the car scene. I guess the social pressure lifting has just left those that are genuinely into cars behind?

[JDM Obsession]

I also read an article recently more relevant to Australia, apparently the average age at which people get their licence (at least in NSW) is much higher than before.

[Citta]

a few of my thoughts on this lol;

1. police in the 50s...lol. car scene has gone down hill since ACA/TT made the 'hoon' image a big thing, then every parent jumped on the bandwagon, government has to look like it cares, and now highway patrol spend their days fucking the lives of those with a modified car.
2. theyre comparing now to the 50s, that was 60 years ago lol the same time women earnt less than men or didnt work at all, and black people had to sit at the back of the bus away from the whites.
3. theres a lot more cars available now than there was back then. jap turbo cars especially. no american is going to buy a jap car in the 50s...right after ww2.
4. i dont know who they interviewed but the car scene is still huge..its just gone into hiding due to point 1. now we work on our cars in the garage and go online to show people. you dont need to floss it around so everyone knows.
5. i dont think technology is replacing cars as a hobby as such, its more just another hobby or interest to have. heck i do both. i love my tech and i love my cars. im sure a lot of us here do thats why we're on forums. most people who dont give a shit about computers arnt going to be sitting here on forums lol.
6. petrol. petrol was like 20c a gallon in the 50s where as now its about $4 which is still cheaper than here in aus. no one wants a massive v8 that drinks so much petrol u only end up driving it from one servo to the next.
7. no 20year old is gonna be like, "yeah sweet, working part time while at uni, drive a shitbox right now, living paycheck at a time. but sure lets go ahead and dump what very little money i have into a corvette, and probably have to finance the rest". with the rising price of houses ud have to be an idiot to have enough for a mortgage deposit, but instead choose to buy an expensive car that will only depreciate in value. property will increase in value easily. its a better decision, maybe we're just smarter and more future focused now?

anyway. just a few thoughts lol

[Caldina]

I also read an article recently more relevant to Australia, apparently the average age at which people get their licence (at least in NSW) is much higher than before.
Considering the requirements to get your P-plates these days if you are legitimately trying to do the 120 hours while on your Ls etc it doesn't surprise me that it would take longer to get your Ps. It took me about 9 months to rack up 50 hours back in the day and that was pestering the fuck out of my parents to let me drive while on holidays, take me for regular lessons etc on top of paid lessons with an instructor. Now take a normal person who didn't like cars etc and you could easily see someone spending 3+ years on their Ls in an attempt to rack up the necessary hours.

On top of that very few affordable cars on the market actually provide someone with a driving experience these days. They may be faster, handle better but they are dull as anything to drive with very little feedback through the wheel. Older cars were utter shit boxes in comparison but a barrel of laughs to drive and try and extract as much out of them as possible.

[JDM Obsession]

Agreed Caldina. Although haven't they lowered it to 100 hours now?

Did anyone else here get their Ls on the 16th birthday and their licence on their 17th birthday? I know I did!

[d.c.]

It's an interesting article and I can totally see where the guy is coming from. I am a mix of both sides I guess, I deliberately live close to work so I can ride or catch the bus and I think anyone who commutes in Sydney is fucking nuts, apart from work I also catch public transport everywhere because I live near the city so it's easy and parking is a nightmare anyway.
On the other hand I have a stripped out loud as fuck S13 in the shed that I love and would never get rid of but if I didn’t have an interest in motorsport I probably wouldn’t have a car at all.
These days with so many other transport and hobby options I can see why a lot of people would stay carless; it’s a crazy expensive hobby that draws lots of the wrong type of attention.

[Caldina]

Agreed Caldina. Although haven't they lowered it to 100 hours now?

Did anyone else here get their Ls on the 16th birthday and their licence on their 17th birthday? I know I did!
Probably same shit still a lot of time to rack up. Got mine shortly after my 16th and Ps a week or 2 after turning 17. I'm actually teaching a mate who is 25 how to drive at the moment, he is someone that has never shown an interest in driving/cars but after a few lessons is really enjoying driving. I might be able to convert him yet haha.

[aly in underland]

Did anyone else here get their Ls on the 16th birthday and their licence on their 17th birthday? I know I did!

I did =]

But that's just because I really wanted to drive - living in the North Shore and the Inner West, most of the people my age I've known don't have cars or licenses. Partly because it's rather easy to get around on public transport, and even if you did have a car, in the inner suburbs the train is often quicker to just get from point A to B. Not to mention that there's so much police and RBTs around so if you wanted to go out with friends it'd be much safer to catch public transport.

I never knew much about Sydney's car culture until I first started driving to the outer suburbs, where I'd be constantly amused at all the loud Skylines, low Commodores with big wheels, and worked Mustangs. Also I've found that performance shops are concentrated in the outer suburbs, which has meant that I've had to drive a fair way sometimes to get specialised work done.

Sometimes, I wish I lived out west where the car culture is very much well and alive - but then, it'd take a while to drive places and I'd spend so much more on fuel.

[DreadAngel]

Agreed Caldina. Although haven't they lowered it to 100 hours now?

Did anyone else here get their Ls on the 16th birthday and their licence on their 17th birthday? I know I did!

+1

Its slowly happening, but just like what happened to Japan a few years ago...

Technology, Computer, Interwebs, Games, etc etc took over the lives of the youngin's along with the law tightening down on modifications and I suppose illegal racing [Think of it more like the publicising and media targeting]. Cost of living going up makes not much sense to tune up cars yeah? Couple that with a lack of inspiring cars for a span of a few years... Kids also have to idea of 'why would I spend XXk on a 10-15yr old car'...

[EpicXTC]

I think one of the major issues is definitely P-Platers being banned from driving turbo vehicles. I was reading through forum posts on another community and for the school-aged kids in WA, their car-culture was integrated into their school life.

And if you think about it, the coolest thing when you're in year 11/12 with your P's is that you can go to maccas at 10pm at night, and think that's the coolest thing in the world to do.


Remind me again of what the car scene does?

[CaptainColen]

Nobody wants to admit they like fast cars lest they get comments along the lines of, fully sick car bro or young male reckless hoon.

I'm sick of these player haters.
Fuck dem and da police.

[MR 1JZ]

Nobody wants to admit they like fast cars lest they get comments along the lines of, fully sick car bro or young male reckless hoon.

I'm sick of these player haters.
Fuck dem and da police.

I just punch people in the face when they call me a hoon






*i dont actually

[SKY350]

Chicks dig cars. No one's getting laid cause they've got the lattest App. When that happens, thats when the car generation will die out.

[hazmatt_05]

Chicks dig cars. No one's getting laid cause they've got the lattest App.

Too true.

[Drifter995]

Agreed Caldina. Although haven't they lowered it to 100 hours now?

Did anyone else here get their Ls on the 16th birthday and their licence on their 17th birthday? I know I did!

L's just after, cause I failed once...
P's a month or so after cause I failed once :(

Being a person who has a hand in the car scene and the gamers scene, I know half my friends would rather an awesome gaming computer capable of playing 10 crysis 2 games at once... the other half would rather a car that is powerful, looks awesome and makes people's heads turn. And one or two that are a bit of both, such as myself :>

It also doesn't help that much that there seems to be a lot less v8's around these days too... With fuel prices going up, it makes sense to make economical v6's and 4pots.
But yes, it does seem like cars are slowly going back to 'just something to get me from a to b with crashing, dying and catching fire' Also the cop attention and aca attention doesn't do us any favours... Sigh... Why can't they just impound the commdies doing skids in town, giving us all bad names, and let us continue cruising D:

[dj_konix]

damn, if i could take public transport to work and back i would in a hearbeat but unfortunately i live in a state that has overpriced fuel and no way to bus/train it out of town :(


I like how the americans think just because kids arent buying clapped out v8s the "car generation" is dying..have a look at the scene in US of A..its of EPIC proportions!

[Gil]

I think the other case is that,

It's more well.. lets say safer and cheaper to head to your local JB HI-FI and buy a PS3 game package for about $300-$400 and tell your mates to go and grab a copy of COD and play every night.
Similarly to Ben and someone else mentioned above, some of the younger guys now tend to lean towards the gaming sorta scene.

Because lets face it, some cheapasses out there can't even afford petrol for their mums car.. Back in the days.. 45-50cents/litre.. It was good to go burn some petrol.
But now cause of the rising petrol prices and such.. How are they gonna even afford buying and maintaining their own car, even if it's a cheap thrash around.
With all the tough laws, 'speed once on your provisional license, you'll lose your license.' It's just something the kids don't wanna risk these days and I guess that's why they tend to steer away from getting into the car scene.

As for the older guys, ACA just made it tougher for the genuine car enthusiasts to do even the littlest things, cmon.. Stock EVO9 "tail-lights seemed to be tinted, and this is a defect."
Defect this, defect that, seeing a 1990 Maxima blowing smoke out of the exhaust and letting that through, but having a GTR with small bonnet pins/hinges is deemed 'dangerous'.

[trism]

Not relevant.

American artice, clearly one sided/biased with no research done.

Car scene dying out? Like fuck, the big Autorama shows in the US that have been going for 70 years are only getting bigger, and attracting players from all over the world.

In another scene the Hellaflush shows are now going world wide.

Theres more and more car related events popping up all over the country, nearly every aussie car forum has monthly meets and cruises etc etc.

The only thing thats happening is that people with modified cars are driving then on the street less, due to rising fuel costs and the ever increasing attention from police due to the "hoon" shit that the mass media drowns us with.

[Caldina]

I think the scene is definitely changing though, the cruise scene is far smaller these days then it was a couple years back. I use to do 1-2 big cruises a month with the XR6 Turbo guys and that was only night runs outside of more family friendly runs done during the day. Look at the same forums these days and they are lucky to have a cruise every 3 months. Even roads like the natioanal park, mac pass etc are notably quieter then they have been. I'll still head out for a solo run when bored and have done for ages and would regularly bump into bigger cruises or mates doing the same thing. Now I'm lucky/unlucky to bump into a local car on the run and that is it. A lot of it has been the impact of media attention on hoons etc.

[bass_twitch]

On top of that very few affordable cars on the market actually provide someone with a driving experience these days. They may be faster, handle better but they are dull as anything to drive with very little feedback through the wheel. Older cars were utter shit boxes in comparison but a barrel of laughs to drive and try and extract as much out of them as possible.

I think that this is a big part. Cars are just so boring now! Everything looks the same, and whenever I'm behind the wheel of a newer car (e.g. 2003 fairmont) it feels almost dangerous because you are so far removed from the road and all response at all.
I'm really hoping the 86 is able to breath a little life into new cars so my kids can buy "2010-2020s" cars and have fun with them as we do with our 70s, 80s, 90s ones.

[mig]

Agreed Caldina. Although haven't they lowered it to 100 hours now?

Did anyone else here get their Ls on the 16th birthday and their licence on their 17th birthday? I know I did!

Yes, pretty much. Passed my driving test first go in a manual car at the age of 17 and 1 month or so... :p

[2GU UP]

There is definitely a shift in car culture, what I've seen though work is that the people who are still into cars are actually serious about building cars properly and spending big money and the time wasters have almost disappeared.
The police attention has weeded out a lot of "blow in modifiers" who really don't give a shit about cars and building them properly but would rather just slap up something as cheap as possible just to look "cool".
But the real enthusiasts are still around which is good for the scene and the whole modification industry.

[79lancer]

I think that this is a big part. Cars are just so boring now! Everything looks the same, and whenever I'm behind the wheel of a newer car (e.g. 2003 fairmont) it feels almost dangerous because you are so far removed from the road and all response at all.

id rather drive my 79 lancer than my mums 2008 cj lancer. why its just more fun. its simple and thats what i love. dont get me wrong mums cj is a great car and i drive it all the time. although i dont see the car generation dying out. more or less a shift in preferences as new trends come and old trends go.

[philz]

There is definitely a shift in car culture, what I've seen though work is that the people who are still into cars are actually serious about building cars properly and spending big money and the time wasters have almost disappeared.
The police attention has weeded out a lot of "blow in modifiers" who really don't give a shit about cars and building them properly but would rather just slap up something as cheap as possible just to look "cool".
But the real enthusiasts are still around which is good for the scene and the whole modification industry.

Though I do believe a part of the reason for more serious builds and less amateur ones turning up at work shops would be the abundance of bolt on parts available these days? More people DIYing.

I don't believe there are less modifiers and car "enjoyers/enthusiast", rather it has increased. Because it is a life and hobby for some, so it'll never die down.
But in GENERAL, kids have so many other avenues of hobbies/technology, their focus on owning a car is less. Whereas 30-40 years ago it would be all about cars, taking it out for a drive and "enjoying" the outdoors (because there was nothing else to do at home). Nowadays everyone is inside on their computers... reading this.

[Jimmy_HR32]

Chicks dig cars.

Dafuq? Since when?

[nebuchernezzer]

Never gotten laid cos of a car.
I've known like 2 girls ever that gave a shit about cars.
Ammuses me that geek is now mainstream, back in the 90s when i was uber nerdy it was a great way to not get laid.
Nowadays i can talk to normal girls about Skyrim or Diablo III.
How the world has changed!
Most girls i know think that guys in done up cars are wankers though.
Anything with a loud exhaust brings up the worst of the fooly sik culture in their minds.

[MR 1JZ]

The cars I like are usually smelly, uncomfortable and too loud...no non-car chick is going to like that

[SKY350]

you guys are doing it wrong. Just look up on any F1 site, pit lane is full of da chicks.
Therefore +/- 100% chicks dig cars!! (and maybe money :) )

Serioulsy though, the car generation will never die out. Just look back in history since the birth of the car there has always been a group who go the extra mile, and modify, preserve, restore and just love cars. It aint going anywhere, anytime soon.

[r34]

lol

i think there's a clear difference

alot of chics dig cars but only if you are talking about ferrari, astons, etc

in terms of the car scene, i think theres a difference between Aus and the US scenes

for example, cars + mods are alot cheaper over there (sure, the salaries are also lower) so most ppl will have access to cheaper cars + cheaper (wider choice) of mods

in australia, i think the scene isn't dying but it is definately not as big as it was maybe 4-5 years ago.

for example, you'll notice that no one (or not many) ppl will do happy laps up and down george st anymore (or have cruises that ends up in the city), national park alot quieter at night, autosalon no longer held, car cruises/meets not as often (which maybe why meets attract more ppl as they meet up as often)

[harris]

Playstation and xbox is taking over.

[plAythiNG]

Its also what ppl do with their cars.

More and more "car enthuisasts" Are only interested in modding their car solely for the next meet; hoping to get a shot
Of their car on the internet.

No one ever drives their car no more! Imo the yourh right now (all the p platers) are still strong with cars, but i think their just so caught up into trying to fit into society their modding cars for all the wrong reasons.

[nigs]

^^ werd

[JUNN]

The australian car scene is changing but not dying and i think its more because attitude towards modifying has changed allot due to bad publicity, police attention and online forums. Now the masses are all about looking preety with what colour to paint your rota grids, how many front lips can you destroy on the next speedhump and what camera setting you should have so when you post up an update of your new JDM AS F*CK sticker you get another 10 pages of people saying "this car is the best". Quality has been replaced by quantity, fake/copy parts are being justified by price and everyone needs aproval from the online nobodies before they purchase a rear wing so their car gets pictured at the next EOMM.

Long gone are the days of just "going out for a drive" and i think that was a major part of the car community in the late 90's and early 00's, large manufacturer weekend hillruns have slowly died out, dragstrips have quietened down and midnight touges have become something of the past. It used to be all about who had the quickest car where you'd go to a forum meet, drive out to *insert awesome road here* and try to keep up with the quickest and when you couldn't you would go out and buy parts so you could. It used to be about N/A lightweights vs. big power turbo heavyweights on the strip or circuit, getting big dyno figures and hardparkers were frowed upon.

Power figures and lap times have been replaced by internet points.

[Honda_impreza]

The australian car scene is changing but not dying and i think its more because attitude towards modifying has changed allot due to bad publicity, police attention and online forums. Now the masses are all about looking preety with what colour to paint your rota grids, how many front lips can you destroy on the next speedhump and what camera setting you should have so when you post up an update of your new JDM AS F*CK sticker you get another 10 pages of people saying "this car is the best". Quality has been replaced by quantity, fake/copy parts are being justified by price and everyone needs aproval from the online nobodies before they purchase a rear wing so their car gets pictured at the next EOMM.

Long gone are the days of just "going out for a drive" and i think that was a major part of the car community in the late 90's and early 00's, large manufacturer weekend hillruns have slowly died out, dragstrips have quietened down and midnight touges have become something of the past. It used to be all about who had the quickest car where you'd go to a forum meet, drive out to *insert awesome road here* and try to keep up with the quickest and when you couldn't you would go out and buy parts so you could. It used to be about N/A lightweights vs. big power turbo heavyweights on the strip or circuit, getting big dyno figures and hardparkers were frowed upon.

Power figures and lap times have been replaced by internet points.


Your post is entertaining, but a bit exaggerated methinks.

Rotas and cheap parts don't get any respect here , and I'm glad that we are out of the late 90s 'fast and furious' chromie ricer days.



Having said that, I personally don't care about having a baller car with low offset wheels, all I want is a decent handling car which uses stock offset for best performance. Furthermore, the people who 'just go and drive' on mountain passes and at the track aren't even on internet forums, they just do their own thing and don't care about trends.

I wouldn't buy a set of Rotas (as JDM forged wheels have much better resale value) but they do the job, and plenty of track dedicated cars use cheap wheels as wheel failures are extremely uncommon unless your tyre is blown and wheel and tarmac make contact.

[Honda_impreza]

Chicks dig cars. No one's getting laid cause they've got the lattest App. When that happens, thats when the car generation will die out.

lol at this, I pulled the most attractive girls while driving a 91 charade with no aircon.

Unless your car is worth more that 80k book value, I seriously doubt it will pull the chicks. The ones you will pull then are money grubbin' hoes.

Decent, attractive girls like fit guys who have a nice personality and don't talk cars 24/7

The fact is, most chicks don't give a stuff about cars. For them a car is a mere conveyance

[MR 1JZ]

lol at this, I pulled the most attractive girls while driving a 91 charade with no aircon.

Unless your car is worth more that 80k book value, I seriously doubt it will pull the chicks. The ones you will pull then are money grubbin' hoes.

Decent, attractive girls like fit guys who have a nice personality and don't talk cars 24/7

The fact is, most chicks don't give a stuff about cars. For them a car is a mere conveyance

No offence to actual car chicks but I have always found them weird...chicks that know a lot about cars actually weird me out...the same way a bloke who is a handbag enthusiast does

[Honda_impreza]

No offence to actual car chicks but I have always found them weird...chicks that know a lot about cars actually weird me out...the same way a bloke who is a handbag enthusiast does

^ I agree .... also, this is the rule, not the exception.

fantasy
http://i48.tinypic.com/34so41y.jpg
reality
http://i49.tinypic.com/pr9d0.jpg

[MR 1JZ]

some say its a shame...I say its brilliant

cars are toys for boys

[Caldina]

No offence to actual car chicks but I have always found them weird...chicks that know a lot about cars actually weird me out...the same way a bloke who is a handbag enthusiast does
A few are alright, most are grenades that get into cars because guys like them and it is a way to meet someone lol.

[shr3da]

What I see is, older people who have been in the scene 10+ years complain about its not how it used to be, (maybe because most of their friends have moved on I don't know)

and the younger generation who say the scene is still there you just need to know where to look ;)

And yes there is a lot of wank factor for a lot of people uploading photos on the forum and showing their car at meets, big deal each to their own.

[Caldina]

The scene is nothing compared to what it was when I grew up and I'm only 26. In the mid to late 90s you still had massive organised street race meets at places like Ingleburn industrial area, Appin Road etc in Sydney, in the early 2000s when I was getting my license you had a decent crowd of people who'd head out and do timed runs on various mountain passes etc. These days a meet is getting together in a car park etc it has far less to do with actually driving then it ever has before. A lot of this is due to Police attention etc which is sad because a lot of the cruises were nothing more then a relaxed social drive where 90+% of those in attendance were very well behaved.

I'd also say those still street drifting, doing runs are not as tolerant of other road users then the people I use to hang round with either. At night if you saw oncoming head lights you'd back off, let them pass and get back on it again these days the few I have run into on roads like the national park have zero ettiquette and to be honest are just down right fuckwits. I've had to come to a near stop to avoid being hit by muppets not returning to their own side of the road etc. To be honest it shits me that I am labelled and associated with these people by the general public who can't differentiate the difference between them and a genuine car enthusiast who would never risk the life of another member of the public in the name of having some fun.

[Drifter995]

The scene is nothing compared to what it was when I grew up and I'm only 26. In the mid to late 90s you still had massive organised street race meets at places like Ingleburn industrial area, Appin Road etc in Sydney, in the early 2000s when I was getting my license you had a decent crowd of people who'd head out and do timed runs on various mountain passes etc. These days a meet is getting together in a car park etc it has far less to do with actually driving then it ever has before. A lot of this is due to Police attention etc which is sad because a lot of the cruises were nothing more then a relaxed social drive where 90+% of those in attendance were very well behaved.

I'd also say those still street drifting, doing runs are not as tolerant of other road users then the people I use to hang round with either. At night if you saw oncoming head lights you'd back off, let them pass and get back on it again these days the few I have run into on roads like the national park have zero ettiquette and to be honest are just down right fuckwits. I've had to come to a near stop to avoid being hit by muppets not returning to their own side of the road etc. To be honest it shits me that I am labelled and associated with these people by the general public who can't differentiate the difference between them and a genuine car enthusiast who would never risk the life of another member of the public in the name of having some fun.

I know right... The new laws also don't help :/

[styleofhabit]

The difference between 40-50 years ago and today is that 40-50 years ago there werent any cars on the road.. you could go out with 5 friends in your Hemi 6 Charger( (;) ) and drag where you want (mostly), and not have to worry. These days there are WAY too many cars on the road. There's too much of a crash risk, chance to get defected or have your license taken to do what you could 45 years ago. But the car scene is definitely not dying. It's just being hidden by laws.

[Caldina]

Lol dude we aren't talking 40-50 years ago and it's wasn't 5 or 6 cars. The runs that use to happen were 100-200+ cars turning up shutting down a road and racing giving absolutely no fuck for anyone else around them. Generally it'd be in quiet industrial areas/country roads late at night but you still had passing traffic and then it was just a matter of time before the cops showed and everyone bailed. This was happening as little as 8-10 years agao and pretty much wound up just as I got my license. I don't condone that kind of activity but it certainly wasn't a long time ago to give you an idea on how much the scene has changed in a relatively short time.

Car park meets back then were merely a gathering point for everyone before you'd head out to race.

[plAythiNG]

Lets get all of sydney's hoons out n start this gangsta shit!

[Caldina]

Lets get all of sydney's hoons out n start this gangsta shit!
One night only re-union lol, people just ran the risk and didn't give a fuck really. Defects, impounding etc happened back then too but they just went on a numbers mentality if you out number the cops it is hard for them to do much other then scatter a meet and maybe taken down a few plates. Seriously though local paper etc was filled with stories back then on it, was quite a big problem and pretty funny really how much media attention the current hoons get when the generation that went before was way way more out of control.

[styleofhabit]

I wasnt talking massive car meets.. I was talking back in the 70's when a few friends could go out and have real fun with their cars and not have to worry as much about crashing and dying as you would now.. lots of people or few people, it's culture. they live it and breath it.. obviously I couldn't get out half as much as my elders who actually lived it.. but my general point is that it's not dying.. it's just hidden..

[Caldina]

Nothing is stopping you, few mates I went to school with up until recently when they got into serious relationships and stopped spending coin on cars would go out in 2-5 cars. Bum around the beach areas for a bit and then head for a run in the hills, occasionally people would do skids have traffic lights GPs etc. The only difference between that now and 40 years ago is the tolerance to drink driving. When I worked in retail you'd have the oldies telling stories of racing out near the brick works etc, they'd all be pissed as farts and eventually someone would stack it big with a car load of people. Everyone would bail and just hop into any car that had a seat and GTFO. The risk of death back then was far higher, cars were massively un safe, no seat belts, no abs etc and you had someone as drunk as a skunk behind the wheel. Roads like the national park have a few old wrecks still stuffed half way down a hill as they couldn't be recovered from the good old days

[Honda_impreza]

Nothing is stopping you, few mates I went to school with up until recently when they got into serious relationships and stopped spending coin on cars would go out in 2-5 cars. Bum around the beach areas for a bit and then head for a run in the hills, occasionally people would do skids have traffic lights GPs etc. The only difference between that now and 40 years ago is the tolerance to drink driving. When I worked in retail you'd have the oldies telling stories of racing out near the brick works etc, they'd all be pissed as farts and eventually someone would stack it big with a car load of people. Everyone would bail and just hop into any car that had a seat and GTFO. The risk of death back then was far higher, cars were massively un safe, no seat belts, no abs etc and you had someone as drunk as a skunk behind the wheel. Roads like the national park have a few old wrecks still stuffed half way down a hill as they couldn't be recovered from the good old days

Very true. All of this behaviour is from the Halcion days of the past.

Slowly, the nanny state has been established. Back in the 70's people did all the things you mentioned and many died in the process. The previous generation (90s) also had it better as media and cops weren't as anti hoon back then. I remember down the Sunny Coast in the late 90s, hoons would line up their cars on the main drag on Sat night and hang out, race and generally get into trouble. That was ages ago now and the cops have long ago cracked down on such behaviour.

[nizpro]

cars for life

[hayaku86]

Nothing beats the smell of burning rubber or the reminder of our mortality. I doubt kids will stop taking an interest.

[oriddle]

Very interesting read.

[EVOVII]

Chicks dig cars. No one's getting laid cause they've got the lattest App. When that happens, thats when the car generation will die out.

Never met a chick that would go out with a guy for his car.

[DreadAngel]

Let him think that...

More for the rest of us lolz

[SiGNAL]

The australian car scene is changing but not dying and i think its more because attitude towards modifying has changed allot due to bad publicity, police attention and online forums. Now the masses are all about looking preety with what colour to paint your rota grids, how many front lips can you destroy on the next speedhump and what camera setting you should have so when you post up an update of your new JDM AS F*CK sticker you get another 10 pages of people saying "this car is the best". Quality has been replaced by quantity, fake/copy parts are being justified by price and everyone needs aproval from the online nobodies before they purchase a rear wing so their car gets pictured at the next EOMM.

Power figures and lap times have been replaced by internet points.

Quoted for truth

When I first joined the car community 6-7 years ago, the for sale section was filled to the brim with genuine parts, long gone were the days where you want the best for your car, its what's cheapest for you

You'll be lucky to find 1-2 threads selling any genuine parts

[Fr4n]

LOL.

they must have sourced the statistics for this report from fucken james ruse high school

i don't ever remembering looking at a guy with the latest macbook air wrapped in a brand new apple macbook carrying case, with the iPhone 5 prototype attached to a little belt phone holder and go "fuark what a sick ****".

[Type-Rice]

One night only re-union lol, people just ran the risk and didn't give a fuck really. Defects, impounding etc happened back then too but they just went on a numbers mentality if you out number the cops it is hard for them to do much other then scatter a meet and maybe taken down a few plates. Seriously though local paper etc was filled with stories back then on it, was quite a big problem and pretty funny really how much media attention the current hoons get when the generation that went before was way way more out of control.

Totally agree here, back in the days people would run down Long St, Aplin Road, etc.. where ever there was a straight street. No one really cared, and it would go for hours until someone crashed their car OR cops came.

Not sure if anyone remember that night that X Racing Car smashed into the 180SX. Maybe you guys were still in school.

[Tyranus]

People who say chicks "DONT" dig cars are ugly ****s or just unlucky. I slammed alot of girls thanks to my 300zx and Clubby.

As for the scene i used to see HEAPS more imports 5-8 years ago vs now, i rarely see any proper imports anymore. Unless i go to priny hwy lol.

[Type-Rice]

People who say chicks "DONT" dig cars are ugly ****s or just unlucky. I slammed alot of girls thanks to my 300zx and Clubby.

As for the scene i used to see HEAPS more imports 5-8 years ago vs now, i rarely see any proper imports anymore. Unless i go to priny hwy lol.

Depends what year the girl was born in right? Younger chics don't really care about cars these days so I've noticed.

As for the import scene, P plate laws changed all that, hence you see Hondas increase in popularity. I remember the days when I got on my Ps I bought a turbo charged car off the bat.

[Starwarz]

People who say chicks "DONT" dig cars are ugly ****s or just unlucky. I slammed alot of girls thanks to my 300zx and Clubby.

As for the scene i used to see HEAPS more imports 5-8 years ago vs now, i rarely see any proper imports anymore. Unless i go to priny hwy lol.
I have actually had more luck with girls in my moms ford focus color tango then my R34, infact i have gotten more numbers then in the skyline out of it. They ignore my skyline and probally think negative thoughts when they see it, which i dont know why its 100%stock.......maybe the model makes girls think im a W@nker....or maybe i need more HKS. Girls these days think its uncool mostly because of ACA, sure there are some chicks at Uni who are like nice car, but would they bang me over it ? no not really ? its not enough these days you need to at least throw in a movie or buy them a coffee.....wait thats not even enough lol.

[Fr4n]

the r34 isn't exactly a pretty car, its a boys toy. get a r35 its a different story.

guys and gals from all over the world will drool over it, except maybe kids from africa.

[Starwarz]

the r34 isn't exactly a pretty car, its a boys toy. get a r35 its a different story.

guys and gals from all over the world will drool over it, except maybe kids from africa.

Especially kids from africa kony cant catch a kid from Africa with 4rpm launch control takeoffs with dem heavy duty dual clutch. GTR UGLY next to NSX i get me a NSX in yellow because girls like yellow, then i get all bishes.

[plAythiNG]

Fran never dissapoints...

[DakDak]

Personal preference guys.
I love R34 GTR's. I love them more than R35's even though they are they way of the future! lol

And you cant really expect a car to get you girls fellas lol.
Unless they are shallow gangers with aids.
Then your pretty much in.

[Fr4n]

Fran never dissapoints...

LOL.

[Type-Rice]

just flop your cock out, girls be all over that shit

[Starwarz]

just flop your cock out, girls be all over that shit

Put your D!ck in a box, then proceed to ask girl to open the box ! then either it goes well and im a legend or it goes bad, in which case you can say it was a gag and she is less likely to sue for compensation. Thanks lonely island.
Ontopic: the Brighton Scene is dead, i remember as a kid it was huge my uncle used to go down there then the cops broke it up, good thing too because a lot of Rats were down there, they used to follow
my uncle home to see where he parks the car and then come back to steal it, hence why i avoid general type of car meets. MCM, JDMST or SAU organised scenes are generally good people but these unorganised
meets where people just rock up is not a good thing.

[[RAWWR]]

JDMST - Where members modify their cars in the hope of shagging sluts.

[Glocker]

;1256223']JDMST - Where members modify their cars in the hope of shagging sluts.

new 86 will pull the chicks better than a s15 sliding gutter to gutter in a schoolzone

[[RAWWR]]

new 86 will pull the chicks better than a s15 sliding gutter to gutter in a schoolzone

I beg to differ.
S15's will always be the greatest vaginal juice tidal wave creater in the import world.
The uleh's used them effectively for years until the XR6T's were released & they could start fully sick families & have mega dosez without their wives telling them their S15 is too small & VL too old :P


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[Glocker]

;1256251']I beg to differ.
S15's will always be the greatest vaginal juice tidal wave creater in the import world.
The uleh's used them effectively for years until the XR6T's were released & they could start fully sick families & have mega dosez without their wives telling them their S15 is too small & VL too old :P


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nah brah they love the 86 becuz it haz da DRLs bro. dosing just summons ulehz to jizz over your vertekz kitz

[Fr4n]

ulehs are the only people bar a few that need an s15 to pick up.

uleh braa kazam allah kha fet

[evolution8MR]

;1256251']I beg to differ.
S15's will always be the greatest vaginal juice tidal wave creater in the import world.
The uleh's used them effectively for years until the XR6T's were released & they could start fully sick families & have mega dosez without their wives telling them their S15 is too small & VL too old :P


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WTF would you know about picking up chicks in cars Linds, every bird (and its quite a list) you've ever churned has been off Facebook lol

[[RAWWR]]

WTF would you know about picking up chicks in cars Linds, every bird (and its quite a list) you've ever churned has been off Facebook lol

that is a myth carved out of the sheer jealousy cam has of the quality & quantity of filthy sluts I have slayed, using nothing but gorgeous looks, whitty charm & broken promises of how this is more than just a one night stand.


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[Type-Rice]

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[Glocker]

WTF would you know about picking up chicks in cars Linds, every bird (and its quite a list) you've ever churned has been off Facebook lol

ooooft lind got told

[[RAWWR]]

hahahaha fuck!


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[evolution8MR]

^ Lol I was a little harsh on him

He does have a good system though, stalk dem bishes on Fbook, then when he's had his fun he just goes through their friends list and starts the whole process again LOL. Funny thing is he's that good at it they dont even realise theyve been churned via Fbook LOL

Lindsdogz > turning Fbook into online dating since 1991 LOL

[[RAWWR]]

hahahaha shut the fuck up Tim!
I swear you wouldn't know what an "on topic" post is lol


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[evolution8MR]

^ OK, ummmm yes... I think the car generation is dying out because girls are scared to get into cars with guys like Linds because they'll be expected to perform pleasures of oral varieties

[Type-Rice]

^ Lol I was a little harsh on him

He does have a good system though, stalk dem bishes on Fbook, then when he's had his fun he just goes through their friends list and starts the whole process again LOL. Funny thing is he's that good at it they dont even realise theyve been churned via Fbook LOL

Lindsdogz > turning Fbook into online dating since 1991 LOL


Are these chics really not good looking with a low self esteem? I must be old, no one seems to talk about picking up girls at a bar

[Fr4n]

they're like a disease you can pick them up everywhere

clubs, raves, house parties, FB, church, on the street

[evolution8MR]

^^ Nah bro; quite the opposite. Half the art of the Lindsdogz fbook churn is weeding out the cuties from the whoopsy looking ones; theres no wasted effort talking to her friends/buying her drinks etc like you do at a bar/club, all you need to do is have a keen eye for a decent profile pic then BAMMO she's sent a generic email

Half the effort > twice the success ;) and I'll have to give it to Linds; he always bags a stunner

[SUROK]

;1256322']that is a myth carved out of the sheer jealousy cam has of the quality & quantity of filthy sluts I have slayed, using nothing but gorgeous looks, whitty charm & broken promises of how this is more than just a one night stand.


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BAHAHAHAHAh gold

[DakDak]

;1256251']I beg to differ.
S15's will always be the greatest vaginal juice tidal wave creater in the import world.
The uleh's used them effectively for years until the XR6T's were released & they could start fully sick families & have mega dosez without their wives telling them their S15 is too small & VL too old :P


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Excellent observation. LOL

[Type-Rice]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d95vxnSgcBs

[J]

lol

i think there's a clear difference

alot of chics dig cars but only if you are talking about ferrari, astons, etc


Nothing to do with cars.

That's called sluts like money, or the idea of it.

[[RAWWR]]

Nothing to do with cars.

That's called sluts like money, or the idea of it.

first you get da moneyz
then you get da powahz
then you get da slutz

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[Type-Rice]

sluzza are always in for the fairy dust

[ido09s]

Agreed Caldina. Although haven't they lowered it to 100 hours now?

Did anyone else here get their Ls on the 16th birthday and their licence on their 17th birthday? I know I did!

Your showing your age lol You must be in your late 30's, early 40's like me ;)

L's on my 16th birthday and i knew i had my P's at 16 years and 11 months as you had to do your P's driving test before your L's expired :) It was a long month let me tell you given i had my first car already sitting in the driveway and i didnt want to touch a car in case i did something wrong ad lost my P's before i even got them lol

As for the reason this thread was started..... why wouldnt they turning to technology over a motor vehicle.

Gone are the days where enjoying a car is a part of your day to day life. Police pull anything at all over for a supposed 'random breathe test' and then ream you for anything they can. Worst part is that they dont even know what they are reaming your for, they just do it because they are told to.

I use to drive my R100 everywhere, it was my only vehicle, now i wouldnt contemplate having a modified car as a daily driver as i simply dont have enough days of annual leave given to me to clear the defects. Its a shit world we live in to be honest

And before people tell me i can build a car to the law and get it engineered blah blah blah, we all know that doesnt help in a lot of cases. Cops dont care for a piece of paper that says it is legal as all they care about is issuing defects and handing out fines to get their quota, and try fighting them in court, good luck. If Police were real about the situation i think they would get more people actually trying to do things legally, but why would you when it doesnt actually help you. And for the record, yes our car is engineered and RTA approved

[[RAWWR]]

^ very well spoken, hat off to you sir.
it's good to know that it's not just the younger crowd thinking the same way :)


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[Veafo.]

Well said, ido.

It's truly a shame that no matter how much effort you've put into something, it's only the "officers discretion" as to whether you leave the scene of an apparently "random" breath test with a nice yellow label, and $300 out of pocket. This entirety of "officers discretion" is terrible. My brother in law was once defected for two things: Window washers squirting unevenly, and the handbrake making 7 clicks when it "should only make 5", according to the officer.
If they want to defect and fine you, then they can, and there's nothing to stop that. I've always thought the case was "innocent until proven guilty", but when it comes to car defects and fines we're basically "guilty, without proof or not, and that's that". It goes against what human rights were essentially created for, but as you said good luck to anybody who tries taking it to the legal system and the courts.

The fact that an engineering certificate can get ignored by a police officer is ridiculous. It's a bit like having a prohibited drug, showing the police officer your prescription, and then having them say "Well, I don't give a shit. You're under arrest. Enjoy being reamed by the legal system."

One thing that truly shines as terrible in these current circumstances are the stereotypes that are thrown around. Aftermarket rims on a car and a Nismo sticker? Must be a hoon, no matter if they drive within the legal speed limits and guidelines or not. Personally speaking, I see more hoons dropping their kids off to school, ignoring all 40km/h school zones and doing 70km/h. After all, these same people can't miss their TV talk show of 5 menstruating ladies who yap on about anything an old hag can. How dare these soccer mums miss their TV show for the school childrens safety.
Of course, these people are rarely caught either. After all, it's the person with the lowered car doing 58km/h in a 60km/h zone who is the real problem.

What can be done about any of this? If you get lucky and an officer says something like "Ah, hoon car. Can't wait to defect this", then you can easily take it to court and argue that your rights of being seen as equal in front of the law, with no discrimination against race, religion, opinion, and property we're violated. Unfortunately that's about it though. Defecting vehicles does nothing but make it harder for someone to put bread on their table, as an officer makes his quota; and there is literally nothing we can do about it.

[Type-Rice]

time to save up for a C63 AMG :)

[Fr4n]

or an e92 m3.



most of us wont be able to afford one till much much later.

has anyone heard of an r35 being defected/pulled over/draw negative attention?

its an anomaly because it shares dna with the most notorious police target of all, bar p plate hondas, but has a new image to it that sets it apart from your typical import hoon car.

[Type-Rice]

I prefer E63 AMG IMHO, but that's something I will never afford. I can see the C63 AMG perhaps in like 3~4 years.

[ommeh]

I do miss the good old days where pac runs where safe from cops and we where not targeted by media and police. Its totally changed from track built cars or purpose built cars to show off cars. Hell I'm a culprit from purpose built to show. Petrol is getting expensive and even tho i still rock a small hatch back its not going have anything done engine wise like the colt.

I miss Autosalon!

[chrispy]

Oh man. Autosalon. So many memories haha.

I used to go to both days at the first Sydney show and the final battle. Then rushing home to get my photos developed LOL.

[aftech]

[QUOTE=r34;1198885]lol

i think there's a clear difference

alot of chics dig cars but only if you are talking about ferrari, astons, etc

Very true, for the younger generations :P

[RA23GT]

i agree completely with OP, im 21 and the one thing i notice that stops people my age getting more involved with cars is effort, we want everything easy and right now, unfortunately its a minority that have the commitment to live off noodles, to not sleep for 48hrs, or to put themselves out of their comfort zone and learn something theyre unfamiliar with, and to a degree, the internet is to blame for that attitude

chicks dig retro. true story lol

[SSR]

Your showing your age lol You must be in your late 30's, early 40's like me ;)

L's on my 16th birthday and i knew i had my P's at 16 years and 11 months as you had to do your P's driving test before your L's expired :) It was a long month let me tell you given i had my first car already sitting in the driveway and i didnt want to touch a car in case i did something wrong ad lost my P's before i even got them lol

As for the reason this thread was started..... why wouldnt they turning to technology over a motor vehicle.

Gone are the days where enjoying a car is a part of your day to day life. Police pull anything at all over for a supposed 'random breathe test' and then ream you for anything they can. Worst part is that they dont even know what they are reaming your for, they just do it because they are told to.

I use to drive my R100 everywhere, it was my only vehicle, now i wouldnt contemplate having a modified car as a daily driver as i simply dont have enough days of annual leave given to me to clear the defects. Its a shit world we live in to be honest

And before people tell me i can build a car to the law and get it engineered blah blah blah, we all know that doesnt help in a lot of cases. Cops dont care for a piece of paper that says it is legal as all they care about is issuing defects and handing out fines to get their quota, and try fighting them in court, good luck. If Police were real about the situation i think they would get more people actually trying to do things legally, but why would you when it doesnt actually help you. And for the record, yes our car is engineered and RTA approved
I started this thread, because it was an interesting opinion piece..and 7 pages later, it still is.

Personally, I absolutely love cars and love driving.. Cars will always be a part of my life. I cringe when I see these auto parking VW GOLFS or GOOGLE cars that do the driving for you (where’s the fun in that?). Much like yourself, (and I guess I’m showing my age here), I’m grateful that I was part of the generation that got to drive a turbo car on my P’s, had 2 modified rotaries and a few other boosted cars including an S15 and WRX. At the moment, things are not the best financially so I had to sell off my 73 240K project that I had planned to build into a GTR mock up. These things happen, that’s life. When I get back on my feet, I’ll definitely be onto bigger and better things.

What I’m noticing though, people don’t seem to have the same passion they used to. Maybe it’s like you said, cops being to tough? Gone are the days where young guys look forward to the weekend so they can go for a cruise or go to a mate’s garage to work on their car with a bunch of mates. Without sounding like a nark, somewhere along the line (not on a car forum obviously), a large majority of people have lost their passion with the exception of those like myself and I’m sure most people in this thread, who’ll never lose their spark (pun intended).

In recent times, in a social setting, if you have a conversation with someone about cars and it dies quickly mainly because they’re not enthusiasts and “LIKE THE IDEA OF A NICE TOUGH CAR” or just want to own a nice car (Merc,Audi etc) to impress girls or for status reasons and not because they enjoy the lifestyle that comes with cars. You then find yourself on a new topic because their interest is limited. Society is moving towards a more consumerist mentality. The buy and chuck theory is more relevant today than ever before. People freak when they see rust on an old car, to me that’s character. An older car is much more appealing to me than any new model on the market today as I have found that the former provides a driving experience like no other. The raw feeling, unrefined cabin noise and distinctive smells that an older car emits combined with the history of the car is what makes classic motoring so much fun!

When you buy a new car, one of the most important factors to consider is the kilometres that it’s travelled. With retro rides, you shouldn't care because the body, engine and trim will usually indicate how a car has been maintained irrespective of the kilometres it's travelled. Restoration is about reviving a relic and should never be an easy process.

The hunt for replacement parts both online and at wreckers or buying a donor car is what makes classic cars both unique and enjoyable.
Many will contest that this is the painful part of owning an older car, but the rewards of building an automobile that was ready to retire is a fulfilling feeling that can only be truly appreciated when experienced. I could continue to dribble on, but I think that I’ve said enough to make my point.

[Fr4n]

Saw a true and pure car enthusiast today on Lucas rd near seven hills west primary. Dudue in his 50s giving it a hit in his roofless, windscreen-less, door-less go kart mobile. Sounded nice

[aly in underland]

Saw a true and pure car enthusiast today on Lucas rd near seven hills west primary. Dudue in his 50s giving it a hit in his roofless, windscreen-less, door-less go kart mobile. Sounded nice

Was he driving a boat-tail Austin 7 Roadster? Cuz I passed someone that fits your description in Five Dock today, couldn't help but stare and think how awesome it was =P

[Fr4n]

Just googled Austin 7 roadster. It was similar but i don't think it's that one.

[byronagetz]

I also hair a programme on that in new jersey the critics says that the age of licence holder must be improvies nd a maximum of age nd a minimum age of license holder is to be set again by discussing with all stakeholders

[Type-Rice]

Saw a true and pure car enthusiast today on Lucas rd near seven hills west primary. Dudue in his 50s giving it a hit in his roofless, windscreen-less, door-less go kart mobile. Sounded nice

Hopefully me one day in a Datsun 2000, now that's a sexy car

[creaative]

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Hi Type-Rice,
It’s not the most critical thing in the world to have the most exciting car.Hot cars once were a teenage status symbol.There are number of reasons,has some of the generation shifted from car to bikes.Now lifestyle has changed to some extent.

Thanks.

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[whitzwolf]

I think I've learnt more about women than cars in this thread LOL!

I would love to own a car, love to have the deep connection with it, to treat it as something more than a mode of transport. But the cost is probably the most offsetting thing. Melbourne is getting real shit, the public transport system is not improving fast enough and our roads are already at the limit. It can take 45 minutes to get to school by car in the morning, but at any other time takes about 15-20.

So here is my plan:
Try get public transport for work or other places where needed.
Have a ride which I don't use too often and treat as a passion, a hobby.

But I'm guessing most likely I'll drive more around because Melbourne and Victoria is so fkin huge getting anywhere without a car is a hassle haha

[Fr4n]

Hi Type-Rice,
It’s not the most critical thing in the world to have the most exciting car.Hot cars once were a teenage status symbol.There are number of reasons,has some of the generation shifted from car to bikes.Now lifestyle has changed to some extent.

Thanks.


whats critical to do and have depends on what you see as worth it. and worth is subjective imo.

i am perfectly willing to accept the agonies ofowning and driving an 'exciting car' because i love the way the car is too much to have it any other way. this applies to other things in life irelevant to cars as well.

[harrytuckerr]

I think there are definitely youth getting into it. I'm 18 and my friends and I are obsessed with cars, particularly Japanese. We put all our hard earned part time money into buying them, maintaining them and modifying them. For instance, today we went out and spent the day at a WRX club day watching them and being in awe of the driving and their engines. We spend our spare time at home, going through online stores to buy parts to then learn how to install ourselves. We go for cruises on local roads, and even try to get them a bit sideways on the dirt - we love our cars, they're our passion. Admittedly, the police become a bit of a fear sometimes and have kept me back from wanting to do things to and with my car that kids 10-15-20 years ago wouldn't have been.

Unfortunately there are also kids who try and turn their 99 LS Lancer into an evo with chrommies and a super cheap cannon who ruin the image for everyone.
But in the end, I know many kids like us who enjoy their cars and genuinely want to learn about them and work on them and drive them as much as their part time job will allow.

[JarrydCT9A]

The car scene isn't dieing out, its just constantly changing as it always has been

30 yrs ago it was all about V8 muscle, the 90's started to see imports jump into the scene, then euro cars entered the scene when previously they had been reserved for more exclusive buyers who wouldn't even think to do rims....

The car scene is just so diverse these you got classic muscle cars, turbo hot hatches, jap imports, euro luxury, the various "JDM Styles", and (god forbid) aussie v8's.

You have to remember too that 10 yrs ago you could still have a 33 GTR on your p's and the way law enforcement crack down on p-platers these days may have something to do with it, the interest is still there however some p-platers may be content with a $2000 beater until they get their full licence and then blow insane amounts of money on a high performance car that they know they can get results from.