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gauci
15-09-13, 02:19 PM
So i was just on the webs and read a article that said the next evo will be a hybrid and possibley even diesel, it was written in like 2010. Has this changed? Was it even true? What are your thoughts on this?

Boogs
15-09-13, 10:37 PM
So i was just on the webs and read a article that said the next evo will be a hybrid and possibley even diesel, it was written in like 2010. Has this changed? Was it even true? What are your thoughts on this?

Hybrid Diesel with 373kw due 2015 possibly and based on the 2008 Mitsi Concept RA coupe.

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/56969/mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-to-go-hybrid-report


Mitsi and Suby have to do something drastic now to catch up with the current range of 'AWD Turbo brigade' as they are lacking behind dearly.

DaFossil
16-09-13, 10:23 AM
LOL wut?! Would like to hear of a better performing car for the money than an Evo X

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i427/teevo2011/haduken_zpsc11f5a80.gif

clutch-monkey
16-09-13, 10:34 AM
^ an EVO IX

JDM-20L
16-09-13, 12:51 PM
918 has made us think twice about hybrid technology in performance applications... affordability is the only problem. :lol: But I am sure as the more they commercialise it the cheaper & better it'll get

Boogs
16-09-13, 04:28 PM
LOL wut?! Would like to hear of a better performing car for the money than an Evo X

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i427/teevo2011/haduken_zpsc11f5a80.gif

VW Golf R
Merc AMG A45
BMW M135i
Audi S3 - when it arrives in December.
and even funny enough Volvo V60 T-5

Money wise - all of them are roughly up to 10k either side of an EVO X. Golf is only one cheaper.
All of them bar the VW Golf R have more power than an EVO X
AMG trumps all of them in power output, performance, quality and dynamics.


As said, next Suby STi/Mitsi EVO needs to be good, to catch up with the current AWD Performance car market at the moment.
215kw is nothing, not then Merc is pushing 265kw from same capacity 2.0litre turbo motor.

autech
16-09-13, 08:22 PM
And Mitsubishi need to stop backwards engineering shit.

lockieoc
17-09-13, 12:03 AM
VW Golf R
Merc AMG A45
BMW M135i
Audi S3 - when it arrives in December.
and even funny enough Volvo V60 T-5

Money wise - all of them are roughly up to 10k either side of an EVO X. Golf is only one cheaper.
All of them bar the VW Golf R have more power than an EVO X
AMG trumps all of them in power output, performance, quality and dynamics.


As said, next Suby STi/Mitsi EVO needs to be good, to catch up with the current AWD Performance car market at the moment.
215kw is nothing, not then Merc is pushing 265kw from same capacity 2.0litre turbo motor.

Golf R is nothing like an Evo. It's just a Golf with a bit of poke and a half assed AWD system. Yes, I've driven one. They're a nice car but not something you would buy if you plan on tracking a car.

135iM is a different kettle of fish. It's a RWD coupe...

S3 is the next level up from a Golf R.

The Evo is a purpose built car and then they throw in a few creature comforts. Nothing about the Evo X is reversed engineered. The only thing I prefer from the previous CT9A chassis is the rear sub frame, much nicer mid corner rigidity. But overall the X lives up the Evolution badge.

It's all horses for courses. If you wanted a comfortable daily with some poke you would go the Golf R or the 135i.

You buy the Evo or the STi for the platform and the pedigree. If all you are interested is power figures then go buy a HSV.

The Evo X MR can be driven away for $65k whilst the A45 is $75k plus on roads.

If you have cash to splash then the A45 presents itself as a strong contender against the veterans of AWD performance. But affordability, the X MR is a lot of car for the money, plus it's backed up with caped price servicing, an awesome warranty and a shit load of aftermarket support.

Stoogey
17-09-13, 01:05 AM
Had this bookmarked from a few years back.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2011/03/mitsubishi-evo-gets-the-axe-no-replacement-planned-says-mitsu-product-boss.html

Figured it's semi relevant :D

fire
17-09-13, 01:09 AM
A45 for sure, comes stand in aus with the perf exhaust plus it has the highest specced interior as standard for an A class.

Boogs
17-09-13, 07:05 AM
Golf R is nothing like an Evo. It's just a Golf with a bit of poke and a half assed AWD system. Yes, I've driven one. They're a nice car but not something you would buy if you plan on tracking a car.

because everyone wants to track a car *rolls eyes*


135iM is a different kettle of fish. It's a RWD coupe...

Id thought i would throw it in the mix. and so what, it out runs an EVO to 100km/h and 1/4.


S3 is the next level up from a Golf R.

The Evo is a purpose built car and then they throw in a few creature comforts. Nothing about the Evo X is reversed engineered. The only thing I prefer from the previous CT9A chassis is the rear sub frame, much nicer mid corner rigidity. But overall the X lives up the Evolution badge.

It's all horses for courses. If you wanted a comfortable daily with some poke you would go the Golf R or the 135i.

You buy the Evo or the STi for the platform and the pedigree. If all you are interested is power figures then go buy a HSV.

The Evo X MR can be driven away for $65k whilst the A45 is $75k plus on roads.

If you have cash to splash then the A45 presents itself as a strong contender against the veterans of AWD performance. But affordability, the X MR is a lot of car for the money, plus it's backed up with caped price servicing, an awesome warranty and a shit load of aftermarket support.


Bottom line is, i was asked
LOL wut?! Would like to hear of a better performing car for the money than an Evo X
I gave a few examples. Not about tracking a car, capped priced servicing or any of the other shit..
Face facts, EVO/STI is shit compared to what is coming out onto the market these days.
Both Mitsi and Suby need to lift their game to even get a look in.

Notice you didnt mention the underdog - Volvo. ?

Alexander
17-09-13, 09:04 AM
if the hybrid diesel powertrain can match the performance of the current evo they will most likely do it. Emission laws are only going to get stricter so hybrid petrol/diesel electric engines are going to become more common in performance cars in the future.

lockieoc
17-09-13, 09:04 AM
because everyone wants to track a car *rolls eyes*

Then why are you comparing a track car to a luxury performance car?


Id thought i would throw it in the mix. and so what, it out runs an EVO to 100km/h and 1/4.

Yeah because everyone wants a drag car *rolls eyes*





Bottom line is, i was asked
I gave a few examples. Not about tracking a car, capped priced servicing or any of the other shit..
Face facts, EVO/STI is shit compared to what is coming out onto the market these days.
Both Mitsi and Suby need to lift their game to even get a look in.

But you're comparing a car with a $65k drive away price against a car with a $85k drive away price. I can't see why you think the Evo and the STi need to compete with a car that is $20k dearer???



Notice you didnt mention the underdog - Volvo. ?

The reason I didn't mention the Volvo is because unlike you I don't comment on cars I don't know anything about.

saad
17-09-13, 09:22 AM
Then why are you comparing a track car to a luxury performance car?

The reason I didn't mention the Volvo is because unlike you I don't comment on cars I don't know anything about.



You serious? You asked for a better performing car for the money and he listed a few, and then YOUR the one who brought in the whole track car thing. He's not comparing a track to a luxury performance at all, you somehow did that by yourself. BTW Evo X, stock is not a 'track' car, although lots of people take them to the track.

A Golf R, AMG A45 etc etc are all better all round performers than the Evo, ie. best balance of fun and daily comfort. Not saying the Evo isn't comfy, but the others are more so and a lot nicer to drive day to day. And who says you cant track them? Know plenty of people who do take them to track, I mean really if your looking to build a car that will spend 90% of the time on the track, your not looking at these cars anyway.

As far as the drag car comment? Again, your calling a BMW a drag car? So what if its a RWD coupe, it similar priced, similar size, and has better 0-100 and nicer daily comfort than the Evo

gauci
17-09-13, 11:46 AM
You serious? You asked for a better performing car for the money and he listed a few, and then YOUR the one who brought in the whole track car thing. He's not comparing a track to a luxury performance at all, you somehow did that by yourself. BTW Evo X, stock is not a 'track' car, although lots of people take them to the track.

A Golf R, AMG A45 etc etc are all better all round performers than the Evo, ie. best balance of fun and daily comfort. Not saying the Evo isn't comfy, but the others are more so and a lot nicer to drive day to day. And who says you cant track them? Know plenty of people who do take them to track, I mean really if your looking to build a car that will spend 90% of the time on the track, your not looking at these cars anyway.

As far as the drag car comment? Again, your calling a BMW a drag car? So what if its a RWD coupe, it similar priced, similar size, and has better 0-100 and nicer daily comfort than the Evo Id say stock it is abit of a track car, but only because people are for ever complaining about the harsh ride

JDM-20L
17-09-13, 12:16 PM
If you think any of those cars ride hard stock you have another thing coming. :lol:

saad
17-09-13, 04:48 PM
Hhahahah +1

clutch-monkey
17-09-13, 05:34 PM
But you're comparing a car with a $65k drive away price against a car with a $85k drive away price. I can't see why you think the Evo and the STi need to compete with a car that is $20k dearer???.

i'd pay the extra 20k to not put up with the shit ride, droning noise, and tupperware cabin of the evo pls
most uninspiring car ever made

-EGA.2.90-
17-09-13, 07:15 PM
Then why are you comparing a track car to a luxury performance car?



Yeah because everyone wants a drag car *rolls eyes*






But you're comparing a car with a $65k drive away price against a car with a $85k drive away price. I can't see why you think the Evo and the STi need to compete with a car that is $20k dearer???




The reason I didn't mention the Volvo is because unlike you I don't comment on cars I don't know anything about.

An evo is a track car? Lol.. On what grounds do you make these claims?

Does it come with a roll cage? Does it have harnesses? Is the interior stripped out? I'm pretty none of those are answered with a yes.

lockieoc
17-09-13, 07:24 PM
You serious? You asked for a better performing car for the money and he listed a few, and then YOUR the one who brought in the whole track car thing. He's not comparing a track to a luxury performance at all, you somehow did that by yourself. BTW Evo X, stock is not a 'track' car, although lots of people take them to the track.

A Golf R, AMG A45 etc etc are all better all round performers than the Evo, ie. best balance of fun and daily comfort. Not saying the Evo isn't comfy, but the others are more so and a lot nicer to drive day to day. And who says you cant track them? Know plenty of people who do take them to track, I mean really if your looking to build a car that will spend 90% of the time on the track, your not looking at these cars anyway.

As far as the drag car comment? Again, your calling a BMW a drag car? So what if its a RWD coupe, it similar priced, similar size, and has better 0-100 and nicer daily comfort than the Evo

If you wanted a comfortable daily you would buy the Golf R.
But if you are prepared to make a few sacrifices for some thing with a better engineered chassis, a superior AWD system, superior aero, better brakes, better cooling, stronger motor etc then you go the Evo, simple as that. As I said, you buy one for its platform.

The only car that is comparable in based on the price is the Golf R.

The 135i M-Sport is $15k more drive away and the A45 AMG is $20k more drive away.

Why does everyone have this stupid expectation that the Evo needs to have a superb, plush interior? Visually, when has an Evo ever been anything more than an AWD, turbo Lancer? But all of a sudden it needs to be this high end luxury sports car because cars that are $20k more expensive also has a turbo 4 cylinder and AWD.

In terms of sales, the Evo X has been the most successful Evo ever. So they must be doing something right.

It always seems that the people with the loudest opinions never intend on buying any of these cars anyway.

Flame on boys, i'm out.

-EGA.2.90-
17-09-13, 08:23 PM
Why does everyone have this stupid expectation that the Evo needs to have a superb, plush interior? Visually, when has an Evo ever been anything more than an AWD, turbo Lancer?

Yet you're referring to it as a track car.

big fat paulie
17-09-13, 08:54 PM
Why does everyone have this stupid expectation that the Evo needs to have a superb, plush interior? Visually, when has an Evo ever been anything more than an AWD, turbo Lancer? But all of a sudden it needs to be this high end luxury sports car because cars that are $20k more expensive also has a turbo 4 cylinder and AWD.


Im going to pick on this...

When its started to cost over $65k.
Its a shopping trolly with a fancy motor.

For the extra money on a BMW or A class you get more than $20k worth of extras.

CA2
17-09-13, 09:50 PM
Evos run a full time 4wd system :) I am not sure all AWD cars are full time 4WD?

-EGA.2.90-
17-09-13, 10:05 PM
^^^ lol, AWD cars are all wheel drive, lots of 4wd can be changed into 2wd with the flick of a lever..

CA2
17-09-13, 10:07 PM
Rav 4s are AWD :)

Boogs
18-09-13, 10:34 AM
Evos run a full time 4wd system :) I am not sure all AWD cars are full time 4WD?


my Liberty full time AWD is really FWD pal.

Boogs
18-09-13, 10:36 AM
If you wanted a comfortable daily you would buy the Golf R.
But if you are prepared to make a few sacrifices for some thing with a better engineered chassis, a superior AWD system, superior aero, better brakes, better cooling, stronger motor etc then you go the Evo, simple as that. As I said, you buy one for its platform.

The only car that is comparable in based on the price is the Golf R.

The 135i M-Sport is $15k more drive away and the A45 AMG is $20k more drive away.

Why does everyone have this stupid expectation that the Evo needs to have a superb, plush interior? Visually, when has an Evo ever been anything more than an AWD, turbo Lancer? But all of a sudden it needs to be this high end luxury sports car because cars that are $20k more expensive also has a turbo 4 cylinder and AWD.

In terms of sales, the Evo X has been the most successful Evo ever. So they must be doing something right.

It always seems that the people with the loudest opinions never intend on buying any of these cars anyway.

Flame on boys, i'm out.


You're an idiot. Fuck off.

Alexander
18-09-13, 12:53 PM
lol @ the butt hurt in this thread.
Whether one car is better than another is subjective, especially if there is a price discrepancy. People that buy evo's obviously see greater value in owning them over its competitors.

DaFossil
18-09-13, 02:01 PM
Im going to pick on this...

When its started to cost over $65k.
Its a shopping trolly with a fancy motor.

For the extra money on a BMW or A class you get more than $20k worth of extras.


C#nts that think Evo's are just a Lancer with a turbo motor are delusional. That addit money over a 'base' Lancer is spent on reinforcing the chassis starting with the bare shell. The AWD system (rivalled only by the 35GTR) isn't cheap either. Add the big Brembos (Evo X brembos are much larger than the CP/CT platform Brembos), the motor & plumbing, the aluminium bodywork and hey presto thats where your addit coin in spent.

Yes the interiors aren't great but like the CP's and CT's they are built for motorsport first and foremost, how warm your girlfriends ass comes a very distant second.


So as per my initial post, I would like to hear of a better performing car for the money than an Evo. All these Euro's don't come close in the performance stakes evident by the Aus Manufacturers Championship which demonstrates how they perform in a track situation against a host of similar cars (rather than the shonky tests motoring journos administer)

CA2
18-09-13, 04:57 PM
So heated ppl..

Subaru and Mits used to make Evos and STis, so that you cant turn a Lancer into an Evo, and you can turn an Impreza RX or WRX, into an STi.
Subaru threw that idea out the window when they gave the WRX the same phat guards like an STi. But previous models, the guards were pumped only on STi, and it would take a LOT of work to try and convert an Impreza into one. With EVOs it is still the case. On EVO 7,8,9 the only things interchangeable is the glass, roof skin and maybe front door. Everything else is different. The EVO chassis is about 50% stronger than a normal lancer.
Even with the new current lancer, you cannot turn a Lancer or even a Ralliart Lancer into an EVO. Way too much work and money spent at the bankstown chopshop to make it happen. Even with an Evo X, the only thing my evo shares with my normal lancer is the boot lid and tail lights. The front doors are the same possibly and the glass. But the EVO cannot split the rear seats down flat, why? because there is a crap load of reinforcement, batter and washer bottle behind it. The lancer drops the rear seats down flat no worries.

Having bought a BMW previously, I can say that the accessories list is way way longer than the specs list. By the time you add all the things you want in it, there goes the small difference in price. And when you go to trade in, they dont see value in all that stuff you bought anyway. This goes the same for most European cars. Anyway i kept that BMW for longer than I should have, should have chucked it after 3 years. Its gone now which is good.

I used to have a Subaru before. That is, until Evos were sold as ADM. So I am not so biased about it, but lets say it wasnt a good experience owning it.

At the end of the day some people like to have that "european" brand and dont mind paying $440 for a VW Golf GTi oil change at the dealer.

I remember taking my manager's Audi RS4 in for service for him. When I went to pick it up I laughed when I saw the invoice said $100 per wiper blade. So $200 for wipers and about $60 labour to do both.

Each to their own.

autech
18-09-13, 05:16 PM
Having owned an evo (7&10) and 135i (2009 TT version)

I much prefer a real drivers car.... I know jumping into the BMW i get to actually drive it every time.

The evo felt to plain, to predictable and too boringly easy for my liking.

That is personal opinion performance wise. We all know evo's interiors aren't built or designed for luxury markets.

CA2
18-09-13, 05:43 PM
Having owned an evo (7&10) and 135i (2009 TT version)

I much prefer a real drivers car.... I know jumping into the BMW i get to actually drive it every time.

The evo felt to plain, to predictable and too boringly easy for my liking.

That is personal opinion performance wise. We all know evo's interiors aren't built or designed for luxury markets.

Only thing I didnt appreciate on my BMW, was the blinkers and foglights not working properly. For a car thats unmodded, thats pretty crap. I had a 1977 Corona that never had blinker or light issues.

Anyways.. enough said.

Evos arent that good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDRWLX32CWM

clutch-monkey
18-09-13, 06:17 PM
C#nts that think Evo's are just a Lancer with a turbo motor are delusional.

still a nose heavy box with some bits welded in lol