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Justin Fox
16-12-13, 10:03 AM
http://zengarage.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/jdm_by_michaelludwig-d4lg8z3-602x294.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1497616_10151858526458111_1574562701_n.jpg

I’m really hating how the term “JDM” is being thrown around these days. How did we do it right for so many years only to have it so confused as time goes on? I suppose lines are being blurred and soon absolutely everything out there will be “JDM”.

Example #1: I deleted a picture of a Red Bull Mini posted on the JDMST facebook group, Original Poster (OP) asked why his post was deleted. I asked him why he thought I deleted it. He had no idea. I asked why he posted it. He replied “Because JDM”. I asked if he was trolling me, he got confused, then wrote more internet trash like talk “Much JDM! So WOW, Many Amazing.. etc etc”. I got mad at him and asked him to stop writing in internet trash talk, he freaked out and started writing properly. Turns out he sincerely didn’t know what he was doing wrong.

Example #2: I sold my EG Civic to a kid who couldn’t drive manual. His Dad had to test the car, and his Dad couldn’t drive manual either so he burnt the clutch and drove around the carpark in 1st gear. They bought the car, then I get a call from new owner that night asking what “JMD” means (in relation to all the “JDM” descriptions had in my carsales listing).

Example #3: Just Google “JDM” and check out all the images like the feature image above (created by Michael Ludwig).

xxkimu.supraxx
16-12-13, 10:11 AM
I feel for you there and how loosely the term jdm is thrown around

Just like all the people driving around in bmw's & vw's that are stupidly low trying to do the whole stance thing and then coming out with "im so jdm"
....you drive a European car, how the fuck is that jdm?

Or maybe people think to be jdm all they have to do is make it so low its undriveable, chuck some 0 offset wheels on and sticker bomb the car?

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lovelyqoo
16-12-13, 10:15 AM
I've noticed its been going on for a while. Having just returned from Tokyo a few weeks ago and seeing the car scene there at Daikoku, and even the random carparks across the city, and comparing to what we have to offer here is just a huge difference.

They do the utmost crazy stuff there, convertible jzx100 with no rear bar resprayed in pink with itasha. Maybe thats the extreme, but is it because the laws here with modifying cars too strict that people just put stickers/plastidip/niteshadez...

I feel that in Australia over here, JDM and USDM have been mixed up and just combined into something that we see here - which results in it looking half assed in both accounts and people saying its 'JDM'. There was hardly any stanced cars that I saw while in Tokyo...

darksky34
16-12-13, 10:42 AM
JFox, great post. Much writing. Such discussion. Wow. I really would love to see that conversation you had with the Red Bull Mini guy! Sadly, most people would think that first picture you posted is the definition of JDM - unfortunately there is probably only ONE thing in that entire montage which can be properly classified as JDM.

The problem (or, culture, as it is) right now is the SOURCE: where do Aussie enthusiasts get their inspiration from? I would bet a lot of the time it is from speedhunters, or whatever other car mags that they find on the internet/in stores. However, that provides a very skewed example, because what you see in those media is only what they CHOOSE to shoot.

I think this has led a lot of people off on a 'JDM tangent' so to speak. I've always wondered - why do so many people on JDMST (just as a generalisation) think that slamming a car, with lots of negative camber, and fat as wheels, and stretched tyres, is JDM? I'd wager that's because that's what they've seen online/in mags. And maybe, those feature articles were about cars in Japan which had done these things 'and it looked awesome'. But that style is definitive of.....USDM tuning. Hellstanceflushillest is from the US! Sure, some guys from JP do it - there's always crossover. But, in JP I'd say it's a minority. I saw ONE 'stanced' (i.e. would qualify as hellaflushillest) in Daikoku futo that night. Out of something like 100+ cars.

So all I'm trying to say is.....I don't know anymore

Biggie
16-12-13, 11:06 AM
it was broken the moment i saw a magna on speedy wheels with a cannon and a JDM as fuck sticker \\\\\ :P

that said to throw something out, JDM is no longer in any way associated with a car actually being a Japanese domestic model... it has become a "catch-cry" to label an entire genre and sub culture of the car scene.

Be it sex spec, tuner, retromod, traditional etc etc these as just general groupings there is no real hard or fast rule here,

but whatever build your car your own way

Drifter995
16-12-13, 11:17 AM
As I said on the facebook post:
I still take it as a style of tuning + look rather than a market. Same as usdm, which has been associated with fairly low cars, stickerbombing, roof racks and I think widened steelies.
Jdm used to be a car nicely lowered, with jap accessories (ie fog lights, maybe roof racks) with nice wheels, sitting fairly flush. Over all a neat car. Basically, like boso is a look, I take jdm and usdm and audm as looks.

If you see a civic rolling on 20's, with chopped springs, playing really really distorted crappy music with barely any bass, you'd say that's an audm civic. And if you saw the zen garage hsv, you'd say jdm (well, probably not, but still. it's fairly close)

Either way, the jdm word being thrown around does get stupid. What I think needs to stop now, is the doge meme. That died off years ago, got brought back from the dead, and is now going crazy again. It was funny, not it's just getting annoying

JFox, great post. Much writing. Such discussion. Wow.
This shit needs to stop.


edit: I should also add; usdm seems to be getting labled as jdm quite a lot as well... Stickerbombing isn't jdm.

anth
16-12-13, 12:14 PM
The rapid growth of this forum, the need for meets to have 1000's of cars, the embracing and nut-riding of USDM culture, all the various blogs and Facebook pages run by "photographers" and "writers" spewing their own versions of what's what, it's all watered everything down to a mish-mash of terms and lack of knowledge. True north has been lost.

hwyrunr
16-12-13, 12:18 PM
ive seen it alot here, people tag cars for sale like JDM Prelude when its LHD and back it up being JDM for having a wing and giant exhaust. if it wasnt built for use in Japan, its not JDM. my turd Crown came on a boat from Tokyo 7 years ago, thats a JDM car.

worst is Civics tagged as JDM drift car, makes my brain hurt

Prancer
16-12-13, 12:22 PM
From my recent trip to japan, the majority of cars are kei box cars or slightly larger cubes etc

quite a lot of clean euro supercars LHD

and a couple of clean japanese sports cars

i did see a couple of dirty nissans/toyotas

but really if we want to be max jdm we should all go buy these

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/NISSAN_MOCO_SA2_S.jpg

Prancer
16-12-13, 12:30 PM
so you have japanese selling 20 year old car parts for crazy money, while they buy euro sports cars and kick back drinking sake with their mates

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/1006145_10151707236512556_917416642_n.jpg

CaptainColen
16-12-13, 01:30 PM
so you have japanese selling 20 year old car parts for crazy money, while they buy euro sports cars and kick back drinking sake with their mates

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/1006145_10151707236512556_917416642_n.jpg

Haha that's true. Japanese LOVE euro cars

aly in underland
16-12-13, 02:50 PM
I agree that JDM in Australia has gone of in a wild tangent - although I'm not sure what can be done to nudge it back in the right direction. We're lucky in Australia to be able to get some actual Japanese imports on our roads, yet people pay so little attention to that.

Maybe JDM-oriented websites could do more to educate its readers on what's going on in Japan (the land where where EG civics have gone extinct) right now, making people aware that it's not just kei cars and there are a lot of awesome, unique and interesting RWD cars available. Personally, I'm a big fan of actual Japanese domestic market-only cars and modifications because they are so unique compared to the rest of the world.

The below can all be registered in Australia, I'd love to see more along these lines!

http://i.imgur.com/LMLM2yb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SVkeRtK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UsEkYZl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VA9aKma.jpg

johnlorspecial
16-12-13, 02:55 PM
I agree that JDM in Australia has gone of in a wild tangent - although I'm not sure what can be done to nudge it back in the right direction. We're lucky in Australia to be able to get some actual Japanese imports on our roads, yet people pay so little attention to that.

Maybe JDM-oriented websites could do more to educate its readers on what's going on in Japan (the land where where EG civics have gone extinct) right now, making people aware that it's not just kei cars and there are a lot of awesome, unique and interesting RWD cars available. The below can all be registered in Australia, I'd love to see more along these lines!

http://i.imgur.com/LMLM2yb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SVkeRtK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UsEkYZl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VA9aKma.jpg

this. we come on JDMST looking for inspiration. i think its time J-man . Bring back the JDM is JDM style tuning.

johnlorspecial
16-12-13, 02:57 PM
I feel for you there and how loosely the term jdm is thrown around

Just like all the people driving around in bmw's & vw's that are stupidly low trying to do the whole stance thing and then coming out with "im so jdm"
....you drive a European car, how the fuck is that jdm?

Or maybe people think to be jdm all they have to do is make it so low its undriveable, chuck some 0 offset wheels on and sticker bomb the car?

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i think you got the whole idea wrong . what you're describing isnt "jdm" it called having a slammed car or nowaday stanced car, BUT it isnt anything new. BMW AND VW car guys have been doing it for as long as the JDM scene. Look in the UK and you'll see.

JDM-20L
16-12-13, 03:20 PM
Personally, I'm a big fan of actual Japanese domestic market-only cars and modifications because they are so unique compared to the rest of the world.

+1

That is doing it "right" .



That is what I loved about first gen Soarers... you really had to zero in on the one car, pretty much I had to eat, sleep breath Z10.

it's all about that chase.. I don't like instant gratification.

darksky34
16-12-13, 04:15 PM
i think you got the whole idea wrong . what you're describing isnt "jdm" it called having a slammed car or nowaday stanced car, BUT it isnt anything new. BMW AND VW car guys have been doing it for as long as the JDM scene. Look in the UK and you'll see.

John, his point is that a LOT of people are doing the slammed/stanced thing now and saying their car is JDM - or mixing 'JDM' modifications with stance - which in itself is not 'wrong' but isn't true JDM tuning, it's a mashup of USDM + JDM.

clutch-monkey
16-12-13, 04:36 PM
I feel for you there and how loosely the term jdm is thrown around

Just like all the people driving around in bmw's & vw's that are stupidly low trying to do the whole stance thing and then coming out with "im so jdm"
....you drive a European car, how the fuck is that jdm?
to be fair it's almost as funny as people in aus delivered nissans/toyotas/hondas on taiwanese wheels and chinese parts and coilovers saying they are jdm

[RAWWR]
16-12-13, 04:49 PM
I blame rota wheels & BC coilovers.

hwyrunr
16-12-13, 04:50 PM
We're lucky in Australia to be able to get some actual Japanese imports on our roads, yet people pay so little attention to that.

out of curiosity, can you guys get any newer vehicle shipped from Japan and legally register it? like a 2006 Z33 for example? here its anything you want 15 years or older

[RAWWR]
16-12-13, 04:57 PM
Nope, has to meet certain criteria outlined by SEVS. (specialist & enthusiast vehicles scheme)

a Z33 was sold in full volume in Australian dealerships therefore not allowed for import.

SamB87
16-12-13, 05:02 PM
;1471085']I blame rota wheels & BC coilovers.

Amen.

[RAWWR]
16-12-13, 05:25 PM
tis the truth.

take away chiwainese coils, replica wheels (rota, vaarstoen etc) & fake brides & we'd be back to the good ol' days where style wasn't cheap & if you couldn't afford something, you were forced to save for it because there wasn't a "cheap alternative" to attain this "JDM style".

Modified
16-12-13, 05:42 PM
to be fair it's almost as funny as people in aus delivered nissans/toyotas/hondas on taiwanese wheels and chinese parts and coilovers saying they are jdm

Nailed it.

Joy
16-12-13, 05:56 PM
toyota crown, true jdm there but no one knows ;)

andhey
16-12-13, 06:52 PM
http://zengarage.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/jdm_by_michaelludwig-d4lg8z3-602x294.jpg

I vomited when I saw that and sadly it reminds me of how the "scene" is turning with younger kids doing tacky/bodgy mods thinking it's the shit.

Some people are just uneducated and then the others are just mouth breathers that will proceed to call you a hater with their snapback turned backwards thinking they're jdm as fuck with their stickerbomb, rotas/bb5/any other chaiwanese wheel and chinese bride seats then having a cry when no one uploads photos of their sik ride online.

Luckily though there are still a lot of people doing it right

tarmac
16-12-13, 09:48 PM
This is why I don't attend any meets, i'm sick to death of some of the guys in the scene. I'd rather spend my weekend with my mates and have a good time. JDM stands for Japanese domestic market and thats about it. I remember hearing a few guys at a carpark walking to their car saying things like 'jdm as fuck bro', umm yeah i'm so impressed mate.

Modify a car however you want it to be, it doesn't matter if its European or Japanese or whatever. There is no single 'JDM' bible with regards to modifications. The Germans have been lowering their cars for years, and so have the Japanese, notice how it isn't just a Japanese thing.

An41
16-12-13, 10:25 PM
It's has turned from simple and clean styling and taking pride in the quality of mods, now it's all about how many stickers you have.

I know there are still people out there who still represent the scene well but it's gone in a different direction the past few years

SamB87
17-12-13, 12:06 AM
;1471098']tis the truth.

take away chiwainese coils, replica wheels (rota, vaarstoen etc) & fake brides & we'd be back to the good ol' days where style wasn't cheap & if you couldn't afford something, you were forced to save for it because there wasn't a "cheap alternative" to attain this "JDM style".

You're preaching to the choir my friend.

alex90
17-12-13, 12:16 AM
I own a s14. It's ADM.

Not once have I Said it's Jdm. Do I care? No.

Insurance is cheaper.
I don't need to think it's Jdm to think it's a good car.

Problem is too much choice. You can buy any part for the car for cheap.

Knock off of a knock off of a knock off.

You get what you pay for.

Jdm is a "style" and it's up to each person for their interpretation. I learnt my lesson with cheap parts years ago with my corolla, and I've learnt that quality parts always come up trumps. And before you ask, not all parts are from Japan on my car.

My manifold is a full-race manifold
Genuine Garett turbo
Tein coils
Work xd9s
List goes on. These days they are not out of reach. They can be done.

Justin Fox
17-12-13, 08:30 AM
The rapid growth of this forum, the need for meets to have 1000's of cars, the embracing and nut-riding of USDM culture, all the various blogs and Facebook pages run by "photographers" and "writers" spewing their own versions of what's what, it's all watered everything down to a mish-mash of terms and lack of knowledge. True north has been lost.

Truth.

plAythiNG
17-12-13, 11:24 AM
I seen on another forum last night that since he put some prado steelies on his integra. This is jdm styling because jdm styling is individual styling......

bluesprinter
17-12-13, 01:41 PM
This is jdm styling because jdm styling is individual styling......

He is correct

Japanese car scene doesn't have a set "style". the owners do what they want with the car and it does tend to follow the use of the car and its trend, drifters usually have drift like looking cars etc

the difference between japanese people and aussie people and american is they dont do half arse jobs of it, if its not 100% they wont do it. Applies to driving, car tuning and mods and their everyday living that has nothing to do with cars. Their personal beliefs also are carried out onto the way they build the cars. That is why the Voltex aero on the Tilton Evo looks the way it does, bloody beautiful and compliments the body of the EVO and also why the NEMO Evo even though the aero may work 2x better or even maybe 10x then the Voltex (unable to confirm as Voltex never released any down force data), its still one of the ugliest evo i've seen. Also Australia is fucked up with its laws so that has a BIG influence to it all too. But we do with what we have.

Different cultures with different ideas.. that usually how wars begin

FRpilot
17-12-13, 01:53 PM
the difference between japanese people and aussie people and american is they dont do half arse jobs of it, if its not 100% they wont do it.

thats why more than 90% of cars online here are pretty much POS.

hwyrunr
17-12-13, 02:00 PM
;1471090']Nope, has to meet certain criteria outlined by SEVS. (specialist & enthusiast vehicles scheme)

a Z33 was sold in full volume in Australian dealerships therefore not allowed for import.

ahh i see, thanks. thought you could pick n choose anything, that would be pretty neat


toyota crown, true jdm there but no one knows ;)

hell yeah :D

eightsixboy
17-12-13, 02:53 PM
What pisses me off is when I see guys (this is an actual example I know of) in an old e30 BMW with bride seat, work wheels and JDM badges, I mean seriously WTF is wrong with this newer generation, why try to make a euro in a jdm?

bluesprinter
17-12-13, 03:33 PM
What pisses me off is when I see guys (this is an actual example I know of) in an old e30 BMW with bride seat, work wheels and JDM badges, I mean seriously WTF is wrong with this newer generation, why try to make a euro in a jdm?

Because IF and WHEN you do it right, it'll hopefully look like this

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9750/1zo4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/1zo4.jpg/)

^That is a proper Japanese styled tuned car - forget the badge on the chassis

Justin Fox
17-12-13, 04:45 PM
Agreed. I very much consider my old MKV GTI as a JDM styled Euro.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7361/8723638233_7f1058c4a6_o.jpg

plAythiNG
17-12-13, 04:53 PM
He is correct

Japanese car scene doesn't have a set "style". the owners do what they want with the car and it does tend to follow the use of the car and its trend, drifters usually have drift like looking cars etc



Tell me again how putting steelies on your car and classifying it as jdm styling...

Renaissance-X
17-12-13, 04:54 PM
toyota crown, true jdm there but no one knows ;)

I know :D

bluesprinter
18-12-13, 08:20 AM
Tell me again how putting steelies on your car and classifying it as jdm styling...

I dare you ask a Japanese person why they tuned their car to be JDM style. They will most likely look at you funny then call you stupid. Then proceed to just say 'I do what I want with my car, this is my style, i want to be different from everyone else here'

'the difference between japanese people and aussie people and american is they dont do half arse jobs of it, if its not 100% they wont do it. Applies to driving, car tuning and mods and their everyday living that has nothing to do with cars. Their personal beliefs also are carried out onto the way they build the cars. That is why the Voltex aero on the Tilton Evo looks the way it does, bloody beautiful and compliments the body of the EVO and also why the NEMO Evo even though the aero may work 2x better or even maybe 10x then the Voltex (unable to confirm as Voltex never released any down force data), its still one of the ugliest evo i've seen. Also Australia is fucked up with its laws so that has a BIG influence to it all too.'

Do you want me to copy and paste it another 3 times?

the biggest way to claim your car to be JDM style when you DONT live in japan is to have JDM aftermarket parts. this usually happens anyway when you understand the JDM concept of tuning cars. but if you dont understand the concept and just like the japanese products thats ok too, it still makes your car JDM spec

its when you think a JDM spec sticker makes it a Japanese styled car.... your thought process is all wrong, which usually shows by the STEELIES on your car.

juvenile
18-12-13, 11:11 AM
Isn't it just a cool term for OEM Japan ? ;)

MrVu
18-12-13, 02:35 PM
jdm style tuning is about adding JDM part.
Euro cars with JDM parts and being called JDM is fine, as long as they have focused on japanese parts.

i can call my car Taiwan & Malaysian styled tuning as I got BC and Ultra Racing products.

Boogs
18-12-13, 02:39 PM
another topic that is flogging a dead horse.

best guy
18-12-13, 02:42 PM
you treat cars like fashion, this is what you get

CaptainColen
18-12-13, 03:23 PM
It's really not that complicated. Definately not 5 pages complicated.
If your car was only sold in japan then you have a JDM car.
If your car was delivered through an Australian dealer then you have an AuDM car.
If you put Japanese made parts on your AuDM car then you have a JDM Style car.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. Everyone is getting their ego's in a twist as their JDM is not as cool anymore because the 'JDM scene' is getting watered down and adopted by people out of the niche.

Take a deep breath and realise that if you are actually getting upset about it you are just going to end up looking like that wrestling coach on southpark 'It's not real wrestling'. Seriously I doubt the Japanese drifters are on the interenet complaining about this shit, they are probably in the mountains enjoying using their cars for the purpose they built them...

Bodgy Racing Developments
18-12-13, 05:17 PM
you treat cars like fashion, this is what you get

bingo!

Prancer
18-12-13, 05:46 PM
so if we truly want to be a part of this forum and to have back up for fending off haters, i should own a commodore with some TE37s?

Glocker
18-12-13, 06:05 PM
so if we truly want to be a part of this forum and to have back up for fending off haters, i should own a commodore with some TE37s?

you also need stickers covering half the rear screen and quarter panel

and some soft toy hanging off the rear towhook

also stance. you need stance. 2 of the big ones.

Prancer
18-12-13, 07:32 PM
dw guys i got this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIyK2YlnK2Q

Prancer
18-12-13, 07:35 PM
this is actually hilarious, its not even about cars, but its half this topic:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Yi69sFKUQ

bennjamin
18-12-13, 09:27 PM
Actually "JDM" which most people refer to or have is simply racer parts on Japanese cars. Righto.

mocchi
19-12-13, 12:11 AM
definitely cant say a car is JDM without one of these badge of certification.

http://sharecovers.com/images/871-jdm-as-fk-facebook-cover.jpg

wanna.spoon
19-12-13, 12:52 AM
J.D.M = Jerking Dick Methodically... :)

Am I doing it right???

ItsDanK
19-12-13, 03:52 PM
Seriously who cares.

This thread is about as petty as people with genuine LV complaining about all the fakes their friends buy in HK.

bennjamin
19-12-13, 05:29 PM
Seriously who cares.

This thread is about as petty as people with genuine LV complaining about all the fakes their friends buy in HK.

Clearly - but as it's something written up by this sites owner , and a known person on these and many forums - I personally feel its poor form and should of been kept to himself.

aly in underland
19-12-13, 06:32 PM
Imagine if a Japanese person decided to set up an "Australian Pub" in Tokyo, and put up photos of Big Ben and the Tower Bridge, decorated the place with Budweiser and Route 66 signs, and played Irish folk music over the speakers and served Fosters - because hey, "this is our take on it, most people won't know the difference anyway".

I'm pretty sure that if an actual Australian walked into that "Australian Pub", they would find it disrespectful.

Now compare that with the "JDM scene" and Japan's domestic-market car culture.

You can put neon pink wheels and roof racks on your stickerbombed illest hellaflush Civic as much as you want, just don't call it something it isn't.

Prancer
19-12-13, 07:21 PM
actually went into a british pub in tokyo, and an american bar in nagoya, they were crazy fun

the japanese girls were itching to chat to white guys and practice their english

so fun

Joy
19-12-13, 07:46 PM
Imagine if a Japanese person decided to set up an "Australian Pub" in Tokyo, and put up photos of Big Ben and the Tower Bridge, decorated the place with Budweiser and Route 66 signs, and played Irish folk music over the speakers and served Fosters - because hey, "this is our take on it, most people won't know the difference anyway".

I'm pretty sure that if an actual Australian walked into that "Australian Pub", they would find it disrespectful.

Now compare that with the "JDM scene" and Japan's domestic-market car culture.

You can put neon pink wheels and roof racks on your stickerbombed illest hellaflush Civic as much as you want, just don't call it something it isn't.

i agree with the dumb stickers comment. those all stars stickers are the worst (remember seeing someone with a massive sticker on their front windscreen. must be a nuisance to see through.

SamB87
19-12-13, 09:38 PM
Clearly - but as it's something written up by this sites owner , and a known person on these and many forums - I personally feel its poor form and should of been kept to himself.

Why should he keep it to himself? It's the truth, and there's probably a lot of people thinking it anyway.

Stating the obvious isn't poor form. It needed to be said since there's too many bandwagon riding cocks out there trying to look the part and turning everything to shit.

bennjamin
20-12-13, 12:48 AM
Why should he keep it to himself? It's the truth, and there's probably a lot of people thinking it anyway.

Stating the obvious isn't poor form. It needed to be said since there's too many bandwagon riding cocks out there trying to look the part and turning everything to shit.


Yeah , it actually is poor form. It's obnoxious , it's negative - dissing your own indirect family / supporters / enthusiasts. This JDM crap is the same as Illest or whatnot- a passing phase.

( to everyone) be the better man and create something new and original. Or just do your own thing with the association and surrounds of others who do the same. Don't hate like a dick.

aly in underland
20-12-13, 01:13 AM
JDM in its current state may be a "passing phase", but it started off with people who genuinely liked what car modifiers were doing in Japan - whether that was track cars, highway/touge racers, drift cars or VIP sedans - and got their inspiration from Japanese car magazines and photos from events, watched Best Motoring and so on, then tried to recreate those distinctive styles on the other side of the ocean.

And while that lasted for a decent amount of time, somewhere along the line it became mangled with the whole American sport-compact scene, with its hellaflush and illest and roof racks and stickers and whatnot.

But it still stands that JDM originally meant "cars that you'd find in the Japanese domestic market modified in the various ways you'd find on the streets of Japan", and it isn't hard to understand why someone who's a long-time JDM fan would be bothered by the current dilution of the term.

Achilleos
20-12-13, 01:29 AM
Basically the 'scene' will move through, and eventually move onto something else. The transition has already begun, that scene is moving on to stance now. As best guy posted earlier, it's just like fashion.

SamB87
20-12-13, 01:51 AM
Yeah , it actually is poor form. It's obnoxious , it's negative - dissing your own indirect family / supporters / enthusiasts. This JDM crap is the same as Illest or whatnot- a passing phase.

( to everyone) be the better man and create something new and original. Or just do your own thing with the association and surrounds of others who do the same. Don't hate like a dick.

It's not poor form, obnoxious or negative. It's pure fact.

Pure fact that people are trying so hard to modify their cars in a JDM styled way, yet they have no fucking idea and fall extremely short, but still label themselves as such. As long as the Japs keep tuning their cars the way they do, this style will never be a passing phase. Other shit may fall by the wayside, but as long as they continue to churn out track, drift, street, VIP and other types of fucking awesome examples of modified cars, it won't go anywhere.

And fuck me, if cars are like fashion, then it'll only be a matter of time until the majority start putting 20+" rims back on cars with shit paint jobs and cruise down George St. Fashion's a vicious cycle.

TRPLSX180
20-12-13, 04:56 AM
It's not poor form, obnoxious or negative. It's pure fact.

Pure fact that people are trying so hard to modify their cars in a JDM styled way, yet they have no fucking idea and fall extremely short, but still label themselves as such. As long as the Japs keep tuning their cars the way they do, this style will never be a passing phase. Other shit may fall by the wayside, but as long as they continue to churn out track, drift, street, VIP and other types of fucking awesome examples of modified cars, it won't go anywhere.

And fuck me, if cars are like fashion, then it'll only be a matter of time until the majority start putting 20+" rims back on cars with shit paint jobs and cruise down George St. Fashion's a vicious cycle.

Oh fuck… don't tell me auto salon is gonna make a comeback? ill neck myself before i have to experience that again :(

http://i44.tinypic.com/2i7odhf.jpg

anth
20-12-13, 12:35 PM
Basically the 'scene' will move through, and eventually move onto something else. The transition has already begun, that scene is moving on to stance now. As best guy posted earlier, it's just like fashion.

Thankfully JDM Style Tuning (both the site/forum and the actual style of modification) was around well before the 'scene' and will still be around after it passes through.

SVP
20-12-13, 01:38 PM
Basically the 'scene' will move through, and eventually move onto something else. The transition has already begun, that scene is moving on to stance now. As best guy posted earlier, it's just like fashion.

That's the thing though. Everyone thinks that the whole stance thing is associated with illest/hellaflush & all that bullshit, but really, the Japanese have been doing it well before illest/hellaflush & all that were established.

Take a look at the Shakotan cars, they've been doing it since the 70's or earlier (don't quote me on that). But it was way before the stance thing started.

Charbz
20-12-13, 03:22 PM
definitely cant say a car is JDM without one of these badge of certification.

http://sharecovers.com/images/871-jdm-as-fk-facebook-cover.jpg


JDMST group buy???

Renaissance-X
22-12-13, 09:56 PM
Oh fuck… don't tell me auto salon is gonna make a comeback? ill neck myself before i have to experience that again :(

http://i44.tinypic.com/2i7odhf.jpg

I'd drive that over a lot of stanced cars.

This style is much better in comparison.


That's the thing though. Everyone thinks that the whole stance thing is associated with illest/hellaflush & all that bullshit, but really, the Japanese have been doing it well before illest/hellaflush & all that were established.

Take a look at the Shakotan cars, they've been doing it since the 70's or earlier (don't quote me on that). But it was way before the stance thing started.

shakotan isn't really the same thing as what the new stance craze is all about though.

aly in underland
22-12-13, 11:41 PM
It might not be exactly the same, but the shakotan (or gurachan to be more accurate) style of the 70s and 80s did have the hallmark stance characteristics of slammed suspension, wide low-offset wheels, flared fenders, negative camber and flush (or tsuraichi as they called it) fitment:

http://i.imgur.com/viSfFmj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4PSbIqB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jHcCs2q.jpg

What goes around, comes around.

big fat paulie
23-12-13, 12:39 AM
God damn those cars are sweet. I would rock that sa22c all day.

JJCRU23R
25-12-13, 12:01 AM
So it basically comes down to but not limited to, the car parts and whether it was imported from Japan?

The stickers have little to do with it?

darksky34
25-12-13, 08:22 PM
It might not be exactly the same, but the shakotan (or gurachan to be more accurate) style of the 70s and 80s did have the hallmark stance characteristics of slammed suspension, wide low-offset wheels, flared fenders, negative camber and flush (or tsuraichi as they called it) fitment:

http://i.imgur.com/viSfFmj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4PSbIqB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jHcCs2q.jpg

What goes around, comes around.

Great pics, and fully agree with what you wrote - except one thing. I don't mean to nitpick but this willy nilly usage of 'slammed' really is inaccurate. Though this may be a personal perspective i think that STANCE isn't actually a thing. Stance is either good or bad. bad stance is hellaflushillesthomo. good stance is good fitment - like the cars you've got pictured. In any case, the problem is still (as you wrote) that somehow people have got JDM tuning mangled with USDM tuning and lump it all under JDM. THose cars you've put up aren't scraping the floor, dont scrape on leaves, won't fly out with sparks when they run over a bump. They're all FUNCTIONAL

Drifter995
27-12-13, 10:02 AM
Your perception of functional is pretty flawed... They'd still have to crab walk over any and every speed hump, and bumps would be their worst nightmare.

If we want to be anal about it, jdm is also oni camber, of which hellaflush and those type things are a baby version of almost

Renaissance-X
27-12-13, 11:34 AM
Great pics, and fully agree with what you wrote - except one thing. I don't mean to nitpick but this willy nilly usage of 'slammed' really is inaccurate. Though this may be a personal perspective i think that STANCE isn't actually a thing. Stance is either good or bad. bad stance is hellaflushillesthomo. good stance is good fitment - like the cars you've got pictured. In any case, the problem is still (as you wrote) that somehow people have got JDM tuning mangled with USDM tuning and lump it all under JDM. THose cars you've put up aren't scraping the floor, dont scrape on leaves, won't fly out with sparks when they run over a bump. They're all FUNCTIONAL

shakotan cars are actually highly nonfunctional a lot of the time.

Some of the don't even run any suspension.

siN15ter
29-12-13, 11:41 AM
Good to see someone getting it spot on, watch and learn people, watch and learn..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321275485127

RO78IN
03-01-14, 11:48 PM
This whole thing fair shits me.
Seriously, just post the rules for people who should be here, and then deal with it... I totally agree Jdm is totally overdone, and totally wrong, but the point is, people don't really know the intention of the group.

Car clubs, forums, Facebook groups are meant to make it easier for like minded people to gather, share and generally talk shit. If I could find a group of people who loved performance driving and learning that art form + what it really means to make a car handle, fuck I'd be happy, but I make do here. Sex spec, people who spend money on chrome and shitty lowered springs that make a car worse makes me cry. A car that is never thrown into a corner makes me cry, and unfortunately we see more and more of this shit in this 'Japanese sports car scene'. But you never see this type of crap in Japan.

Anyway, I'm fucken out, this shit and this site with all the bullshit and crap is useless. As already seen, half the people here don't have a fucken clue what it's meant to be about, so half people shouldn't even be here... So what is the point of this site? Unfortunately the masses don't know.

JJCRU23R
08-01-14, 06:35 PM
Sorry double post

JJCRU23R
08-01-14, 06:44 PM
Gotta be honest I think I'm more confused about things since joining JDMST. . I joined because I had a real interest in Nissan Cubes and I really enjoy the photography section and Learning about other people's cars..

But since half of the people "shouldn't even be here"- it's seems as though its the 'ST' in JDMST that I clearly do not understand. Previous poster complained that he feels sad when a car isn't thrown into a corner.. I personally have no interested in racing or drifting on a track.

While my car is imported, it's FWD, slow..
Does this mean I'm part of the half that shouldn't be here?

Prancer
08-01-14, 11:02 PM
This whole thing fair shits me.
Seriously, just post the rules for people who should be here, and then deal with it... I totally agree Jdm is totally overdone, and totally wrong, but the point is, people don't really know the intention of the group.

Car clubs, forums, Facebook groups are meant to make it easier for like minded people to gather, share and generally talk shit. If I could find a group of people who loved performance driving and learning that art form + what it really means to make a car handle, fuck I'd be happy, but I make do here. Sex spec, people who spend money on chrome and shitty lowered springs that make a car worse makes me cry. A car that is never thrown into a corner makes me cry, and unfortunately we see more and more of this shit in this 'Japanese sports car scene'. But you never see this type of crap in Japan.

Anyway, I'm fucken out, this shit and this site with all the bullshit and crap is useless. As already seen, half the people here don't have a fucken clue what it's meant to be about, so half people shouldn't even be here... So what is the point of this site? Unfortunately the masses don't know.

lol you have no clue. How is JDM wrong? That statement makes no sense. There are many people here who love performance driving. In Japan i saw a majority of sex spec kei cars/box cars and a minority of european sports cars, hardly any japanese tuner cars as compared to Sydney.

The point of this site is to make it easier for like minded people to gather, as you yourself stated.

Powerbite
11-01-14, 09:26 PM
When I think about the term 'JDM' I consider shit like

http://25.media.tumblr.com/03d3ca72acac8fadf85f52fdf86284a5/tumblr_myj0ei0ukU1rpqn0wo1_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/fa8fadf4f28c4ea575200ab6681b5fa1/tumblr_mwcanbH06u1s3g7yto2_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/f7a518eeb44c9ae3ae960882e7cb0727/tumblr_mwcanbH06u1s3g7yto1_1280.jpg

And

http://25.media.tumblr.com/49d03f874a199fd312da66082fdd3ca5/tumblr_msg95mcGHk1qbiffho1_500.jpg
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m68qa67rl11r2dcdfo1_500.png
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m68qa67rl11r2dcdfo2_500.png

You know, cars built for the purpose of enjoyment - to actually be driven

Not fucking shit like this that is done for teh internet points and all the facebook dick pulling you could want

http://www.street-cover.com/wp-content/gallery/melbjdmst-310512-wl/dsc_9945_72dpi.jpg

Renaissance-X
13-01-14, 06:31 PM
I hate that shit where p platers move their original mirrors on to the fenders and think they have JDM fender mirrors.

If any of you are reading this, you are just showing you have no clue what you are doing and are simply trying to follow the bandwagon and failing very very hard at it.

kuruma
20-01-14, 04:12 PM
IMO,

JDM cars = JDM.

AUDM or Euro cars with JDM parts = JDM Style.

PHRHD
15-02-14, 10:49 AM
So, I'm gonna go nuts, and just make one of my earliest posts on here a crazy ass rant about all of this. I went through a lot of the thread, as long as it's gotten and gathered a lot of opinions on this, and I think it's time I threw my shiny new hat into the ring, as well.

So, first of all, I agree there is quite a misrepresentation of "JDM Style" in many aspects of car culture, but to get it right, all you really need to do is think about what those words mean, and what's being used to represent them that most average people don't understand. The biggest peeve that I often see is the complete misuse of the Wakaba Leaf, which most idiots think is some sort of symbol of Japanese automotive culture, when in fact, it is a label for Beginner Drivers. Just get your license? Wakaba Leaf. It's not some badge of honor you slap on your car to make people think you're "JDMasfuck." Next up, think of what that abbreviation stands for. "JDM" means "Japanese Domestic Market." That term means IT IS A DOMESTIC CAR IN JAPAN. The styling, and the car itself are directly inspired, and fueled by Japanese Automotive Styling and Culture.

This can mean many things, as automotive culture applies to many things. It can apply to the way you style and tune your car for sport and track purposes, or the way you lower your car, and stretch your tires. The term JDM is open-ended in its usage, but specific in that it is JAPANESE.

So, for everyone saying that "JDM cars are for driving not for stance, etc." or "JDM cars are SLAMMED!" I would just like to remind you all of its open-endedness, and I will end on this note.

Just enjoy car life, people. Enjoy car life.

Starwarz
22-02-14, 05:12 PM
Because IF and WHEN you do it right, it'll hopefully look like this

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9750/1zo4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/1zo4.jpg/)

^That is a proper Japanese styled tuned car - forget the badge on the chassis

My EVO is fully JDM bro its manufactured in Japan...............its got OEM JDM as fuk Brembo's, Recaro seats, momo steering wheel, OZ Racing/ Enkei wheels

1) Brembos are Italian
2) Recaro's are German
3) Momo's are Italian
4) OZ wheels are Italian

So if this German car has a few JDM parts and its now considered JDM Style does that mean all post IV Evo's which many consider as the pinnacle of JDM as fuk cars to be euro styled on the account
Mitsubishi patterned up with these European companies to add some racing flare to their road based rally car ? we should be less concerned which corner of the earth the parts came from and
appreciate them for their contribution to Motorsports and what not.

squashd
25-02-14, 12:53 AM
JDM is Japanese Domestic Market, it is what it is! We all knew that when we created a username here right? Facebook users didn't need to answer that question hence the newb in example #1 of Justins post, in fact I find there is alot of trash talking, misuse of memes and other things on Facebook, hence why I personally don't use it and where this misrepresentation of the word JDM may have arisen from.

http://i.imgur.com/7J2v3.jpg


My EVO is fully JDM bro its manufactured in Japan...............its got OEM JDM as fuk Brembo's, Recaro seats, momo steering wheel, OZ Racing/ Enkei wheels

1) Brembos are Italian
2) Recaro's are German
3) Momo's are Italian
4) OZ wheels are Italian

So if this German car has a few JDM parts and its now considered JDM Style does that mean all post IV Evo's which many consider as the pinnacle of JDM as fuk cars to be euro styled on the account
Mitsubishi patterned up with these European companies to add some racing flare to their road based rally car ? we should be less concerned which corner of the earth the parts came from and
appreciate them for their contribution to Motorsports and what not.

You could argue that the Lotus produced their Elise in a "JDM style" becuase they used a 2ZZGE Corolla engine. Technically it is JDM style tuning! So yes, Mitsubishi have conducted "Euro style tuning" on their evos.

What about an AUDM Honda Accord Euro? Now I'm lost!

Reading this thread, I cant help but think that people here are getting too hung up on words and acronyms and I feel people are taking it too seriously!

I joined these forums because I like CARS... European, British, and Asian. Thats what it's all about right? Support the car scene!

tarmac
28-02-14, 06:33 PM
I don't understand why people find the need to concern themselves with JDM styling. Why don't people just modify their cars how they like and leave it at that.

People need to stop calling it USDM, JDM and etc, and just call it modified. So many guys here get so butthurt as to where this and that come froms, e.g. Brembos and BBS wheels. If its a good product, why wouldn't you want it on your car?

aly in underland
28-02-14, 10:09 PM
Today I learned that Hayashi Street wheels are copies of those originally found on the De Tomaso Mangusta.

http://srv2.betterparts.org/images/de-tomaso-mangusta-06.jpg

91led
28-02-14, 10:40 PM
My personal take on it is that people just read too much into the term 'JDM' and use it to try and seem cool or to fit in. Pretty much anyone who has been to Japan and noticed the different types of modified cars over there will probably agree with me that there's so much more than just what people on the internet like to refer to as "JDM". For example, within two or three blocks in residential outer Tokyo, I can spot a current gen Delica D:5 with a lift kit and mud tyres, a bagged Y50 Fuga and classic European stuff, all together in the one place. I see no reason why one of those styles (off road, modern cruiser or well kept classic) is more "JDM" than any of the others.

My car is Australian delivered and nothing will change that. There's plenty of little touches that I've sourced from Japan for it, but if anything, the style I'm working towards is a more OEM+ approach that tends to be associated with European cars. Does that make my small Nissan hatchback European? I fail to see why people feel the need to pigeonhole these things into one category, other than human nature wanting to have things organised into a specific group.