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samcbf
13-01-14, 07:11 PM
Alot of ads i see these days state no test drives, to be driven by the owner only.
Would you ever buy a car without driving it?

Achilleos
13-01-14, 07:37 PM
I bought a car that wasn't even running at the time, sometimes you gotta take risks although mine wasn't a costly one, I'm sure there are people that have taken a risk like that and lost a lot of money and time. If you know what to look for and listen carefully you can tell a lot about the car (obvious things like oil stains on the ground where the car is parked, ticking or knocking noises when running, leaking coolant, especially dirty engine bay, damaged parts, dodgy repairs etc.)

whiteballz
13-01-14, 07:38 PM
If you buy a car that isn't running you're making that call before you see the car.

If I go to pick up a car and the owner doesn't let me drive it, I'm instantly suspicious and super aware of how / what the driver does that might hide issues.

Joy
13-01-14, 07:56 PM
It depends. Getting a test drive allows me to check a variety of things, but if you're only buying a shell, yeah then it's a bit hard lel.

alex90
13-01-14, 08:01 PM
Quite simply,

No.

If I'm about to lay down money for a car, I want to know how it drives and why it's like.

You have to be mad if you buy a car without driving it yourself. I understand if people are worried about their high powered cars etc, that's what low boost is for.

I think it's highly unreasonable for a seller to expect someone to buy a car without the potential buyer driving it, as if that person that says "no test drives" was to be in the market for a new car, he would want to drive the car he may or may not purchase.

Judging of a character is also a big part. And at the end of the day, if they have the cash, your really in the back seat if you want to sell it or not.

wanna.spoon
13-01-14, 08:01 PM
bought mine with a fucked gearbox and clutch (those were the two major problems with it; there were a few other smaller gremlins which were somewhat easier to fix... TBQH, there's still a few gremlins I haven't fixed...) in hindsight, it wasn't such a good idea and I should have bought a working car...

very costly, however, including the purchase price of the car, I did end up fixing it for about how much it would be worth in the end... I did technically break even; knowing what I know now, I probably would have just bought a fully working GTIR, avoid the hassle and made sure I took at least a small test drive...

its hard not to look like a dreamer when you want a test drive... it is a shame...

even if they take you for a drive in it... you can sort of gauge how well the car works anyway...

Boogs
13-01-14, 08:47 PM
Depends on a few factors.

Theft. Harder to steal cars these days, so its easier to just jack it with the owner in it, or just take off. Or come back at a later date, home invade the place and steal the keys
Crashes - too many people buying a car, taking it for a test drive and smashing it.

Also, seen ads where the seller wants a decent deposit before driving. To me thats reasonable. Last thing you want is some knob smashing your car up. You crashed it, you buy it.
This is where you use your judgement when buying a car, err on the side of caution from the sellers "honesty" and also the seller doing the same as you a buyer, some random who has rung him up to "inspect" the car and the buyers honesty.

BertyB
13-01-14, 09:47 PM
Depends on a few factors.

Theft. Harder to steal cars these days, so its easier to just jack it with the owner in it, or just take off. Or come back at a later date, home invade the place and steal the keys
Crashes - too many people buying a car, taking it for a test drive and smashing it.

Also, seen ads where the seller wants a decent deposit before driving. To me thats reasonable. Last thing you want is some knob smashing your car up. You crashed it, you buy it.
This is where you use your judgement when buying a car, err on the side of caution from the sellers "honesty" and also the seller doing the same as you a buyer, some random who has rung him up to "inspect" the car and the buyers honesty.\

I think the deposit strategy is fine and I would be happy with that as a buyer or seller. If someone is serious, they shouldn't have any issue with this.

daevilone
14-01-14, 01:52 PM
would never buy a car that's sold as running with taking it for a test drive. I'd probably agree to a deposit first but on the other hand I don't usually carry deposit money with me when I'm going to look at a car. If the car is what I want and we can then agree on a price... then I'll duck to an ATM and sort out a deposit.

The guy I bought my S2000 off was amazing and what I would be doing on selling it. He took me for a quick spin then let me have a go so he could explain various nuances etc. Then, being a 2 seater, he let me take my dad out in it as he has far more mechanical experience than I do...

At the end of the day there is so many little problems that can be hidden when driving around. I like to test them all out for myself.

Kin
14-01-14, 02:03 PM
It really would depend on the potential buyer and the car.

I had the two dodgiest looking people come look at a car I was selling - one of the guys was in trackpants, beanie and lost a few teeth. He looked extremely dodgy and unkempt and spoke like he left school after year 5.

If you saw him on the street, you'd think he has $10 in life possessions and spent all his dole money on grog and smokes.

He was never going to even sit in the car, let alone drive it.

The couple that bought the car at the end were well dressed, in their 20's, spoke like normal people and I was comfortable enough to tell them every single fault the car had and also let them drive off in the car themselves. (Think they gave me their wallet as insurance).

Anyway - depends on the car. I'm not going to let anyone test drive my Rx7 unless they paid me a deposit equalling my insurance excess (and at least I can tell they are genuinely wanting to buy it - have seen it, sat in it for a drive, come back again etc)

Justin Fox
14-01-14, 02:10 PM
If it's a bunch of kids I will drive (and not let them drive). I can usually smell a tyre kicker.

clutch-monkey
14-01-14, 02:40 PM
that jfox guy test drove my car, and he wasn't even interested in buying it!!

:D :P

clutch-monkey
14-01-14, 02:41 PM
i've bought a couple of cars sight unseen/no test drives, but in those case they were recommended to me by mechanics i knew- if that hadn't been the case, hell yes i'd need to drive it first!

JDM-20L
14-01-14, 02:52 PM
Depends what it is, generally speaking YES its mandatory that I drive the car I am buying!

however, I bought my last one without driving it... when I first looked at it, I wasn't quite ready to move, so due to the nature of the species in question, I didn't think it was appropriate for me to ask. Because it was located interstate, when I was ready to go a month or so later I had PPI performed on it, it worked out perfect and I have zero problems and zero regrets! I had the best seller anyone could ask for as well. Which is worth paying for... I think as you get older your gut will tell you when its right or wrong.

tarmac
14-01-14, 04:11 PM
For the most part no. The whole point of me searching for a car, is to see how it drives.

teneo
14-01-14, 11:04 PM
You can pretty easily weed out the time wasters, derros, and test pilots with the first chat on the phone.

Ie.

"Ehhhh cuzzy wallah u mind if i bring mah cuzzin so he can check da car out, were hella keen to check it out aye"
"Oi mayte, duz it have any problems or stuff like dat? Reckon it runs like a farkin beaut?"

Thats when you dont bother to meet. Sold my Rex to Whiteballz after many a phone call from the above types, and a few kids whos first question was "can I drive it and give it sum boooost?"

Junior
15-01-14, 03:59 PM
I didn't test drive my car. I didn't get to drive it until i made full payment. That being said though i did alot of research and looked up all the general faults to look out for... 3 years and counting now and still no major issues.

Drifter995
15-01-14, 07:42 PM
I would gauge on the person. I wouldn't buy a car if I couldn't test drive it though. deposit I'd be fine with, but if the person looks like they just want to drive it for the fun of it (a friend has experienced that before, a lot. when trying to sell his old skyline) just either say you're coming with, or that you'll drive first, see what their initial reaction is.

Delusional
15-01-14, 08:20 PM
Thoughts on people who doesnt know how to drive manual that come test drive the car and dont end up buying? Had that happen to me once. A l platers father didnt know how to drive one and he bunnyhopped the car and didnt even change gears. heard my car from down the road :( needless to say, ill be going in with potential buyers from now on.

RdS
15-01-14, 11:58 PM
Definitely, and have before. I'm happier to get the owner to drive it, so I can pay more attention to the car. I don't feel that there is anything I couldn't tell from the passenger seat, that I would from the drivers. Just listen. Watch.


Interestingly, I once sold a car to a guy who didn't even sit in the car! He opened the door, looked in it for a while, and said he'd buy it.

Possie
16-01-14, 01:08 PM
I had people to scared to test drive cars but buy them (I couldn't buy without a try), if your selling you have to expect it to be tested but maybe make sure they have the cash first

Junior
16-01-14, 02:46 PM
Definitely, and have before. I'm happier to get the owner to drive it, so I can pay more attention to the car. I don't feel that there is anything I couldn't tell from the passenger seat, that I would from the drivers. Just listen. Watch.


Interestingly, I once sold a car to a guy who didn't even sit in the car! He opened the door, looked in it for a while, and said he'd buy it.

Thats the dream for a seller isn't it? no risk of damage or joy riders.

bboyzell
16-01-14, 03:10 PM
i tend to find when im selling a car there is no point B/Sing or lieing about faults.
This is cause i try and be honest when questioned about the car, and also being since
im quiet a distance away from most the people interested, there is no point wasting their time.

I remember when i sold my Manual R33 GTS, i had 2 cars arrive at my place and 3 teens hope out to come and look at the car, im thinking oh fun test pilots.

But the guy who was interested was geniune, asked me about it, offered for him to take it for a test drive with me and his mates in the car.

After the test drive haggled a bit on price due to the faults (suspected a new Gearbox due to crunching) and in the end i got a sale and he got a new car.

Going to look at a car this weekend if i cannot test drive it before buying it, i will probably walk away.

CookieMonster
16-01-14, 11:43 PM
I feel if someone doesnt let you drive their car straight up is a good thing, shows they respect their own car. If you're serious and got cash then of course you should ask, but I don't think it's an obligation of the seller to let you drive their car, especially if they really care for the car. Plus you'd learn more about it from the owner and from sitting shotgun as you can take time to listen to things, take a feel in than compared to giving it a quick fang round the block.

[[d a n n y]]
17-01-14, 10:31 AM
I feel if someone doesnt let you drive their car straight up is a good thing, shows they respect their own car. If you're serious and got cash then of course you should ask, but I don't think it's an obligation of the seller to let you drive their car, especially if they really care for the car. Plus you'd learn more about it from the owner and from sitting shotgun as you can take time to listen to things, take a feel in than compared to giving it a quick fang round the block.

ill have to agree on that
when i sell my cars i let people drive it after they have put a deposit down
but i do take them around to see and feel for the car itself
if anything is wrong with a car you can feel it in the passenger seat as well

zyfa
17-01-14, 12:04 PM
With the two cars I've sold I take them for a slow drive to a clear/quiet flat spot so they can get used to the clutch, I drive slow there to set a pace so they don't feel like they need to prove anything or test the limits. After they drive it for a few minutes I switch seats again and give it a little flogging so they can see how it handles and that it has no issues being wound out.

Being realistic, if they've driven there, they can drive, if they're not some fully hectic big ego douche which you can normally tell straight away they're not going to test the limits of a car they're not used to. Worst I had was someone using the limiter as a guide line of when to change gears when I was selling my Supra, but it was mechanically sounds so it wasn't really going to hurt it. Most adds I see say no test pilots, not no test drives.

Junior
19-01-14, 08:31 PM
Although we all say we would hate for someone to test drive and abuse driving the car your selling but im sure we've all let our mates drive our cars and i know i cringe every time they step on the gas.

iNoob
19-01-14, 09:18 PM
I'll post up a sellers/buyers point of view. Mine might be significantly more conservative though.

BUYER:

I would like a test drive. Obviously tactile feedback is important, and most importantly. You need to like the feel of the car beforehand. (Mightn't be an issue if you've test driven multiple cars of the same series/variants. I would have zero issues if the seller said no test drives on the first viewing. It'd give me a chance to come back with my mechanic or specialist in that specific car type.
I would like to push the car in certain moments. See if certain gears can be changed in higher RPM's, down/up. (Obviously with mechanical sympathy in mind, not being a absolute fuckwit though)
Again, I'd like to bring someone along. I know people don't like this.
I'd appreciate a meet point that isn't some weird public place or a relatives house. (I can see some people are cautious but I don't like it.) Always interesting to check for leaks when you know where a car had been stored.

SELLER:
I have written in the past that I don't want test drives. I do however change my mind immediately if I can tell the person inquiring is genuine.
I don't mind if the car is pushed hard, but I do want to warm it up/drive it normally before it's boosted/pushed.
I don't mind a whole bunch of questions, I'm usually happy to point out what needs changing or what I'd change if I would keep the car longer.
If someone dodgy shows up I tell them they have a time frame and that I'll be driving. I've checked cars out in the past and both I and the seller knew that I wasn't the car for me, however we stayed and had a general chat about cars/shit afterwards.
I encourage any other tests to be done on the car, I don't care as long as it's done at my place/at a time I want. I won't be driving it to XYZ so your old mans uncle's goat herder's mechanic can check it.
I usually list my stuff at the lowest price I'll go. I don't appreciate lowballing, but I do nudge if something needs replacing. (I blew the rad on my evo when I took someone on a test drive... akws)

andhey
20-01-14, 10:41 AM
haha inoob, my mates turbo caught fire when he was giving a test drive in his evo

Lekic
22-01-14, 02:00 AM
I'd definitely have to drive the car before completely committing to it. I would understand the sellers concern though, and would find it quite comforting knowing they don't want to let just anyone drive there car. I think judge of character is a great approach to take, and if you were really picky then wait for a deposit to show genuine interest. That way you know they aren't just coming around for a test-pilot run.

Type-Rice
20-03-14, 04:59 PM
haha inoob, my mates turbo caught fire when he was giving a test drive in his evo

how does a turbo catch on fire? it's not flammable

NiSSANdon
30-04-14, 04:11 PM
Tried to test drive a Black G35, told him I was looking to finance with a substantial down payment. Said he'd rather get me approved for the loan first, I'm pretty sure I want to drive something I'll be potentially paying for 2 years for.

A$APNurk
30-04-14, 04:27 PM
how does a turbo catch on fire? it's not flammable

well if it's got an oil leak and happens to be coated in oil..

clutch-monkey
30-04-14, 05:10 PM
Tried to test drive a Black G35, told him I was looking to finance with a substantial down payment. Said he'd rather get me approved for the loan first, I'm pretty sure I want to drive something I'll be potentially paying for 2 years for.

yeah can't think why he'd rather you actually had the money to cover it on hand before letting you test drive it

really is a mystery

Starwarz
30-04-14, 05:14 PM
The guy i bought my Evo5 from was about it, i turned up with my mate in his Evo 8 who was going to test
drive it for me, essentially i bought along a qualified test pilot. When you meet guys with the same or similiar car as you
your more inclined to trust them with your ride, since they should know the in's and out, then some random who has never had
the experience. In this case the seller wanted my mate to give it a hit, but my mate his probably the most
responsible driver i know even though his car history is filled with typical 'hoon' cars he drove it normal. In other word's you got to
establish some trust with the seller. Car ticked the boxes, handed over a deposit and picked it up a few days later,
easy.

07civicFD
02-05-14, 12:22 AM
Being in the passenger side feeling or hearing the car will be as close to decide if the cars good, or what u want, if they're uptight about it.

NiSSANdon
04-05-14, 05:36 PM
yeah can't think why he'd rather you actually had the money to cover it on hand before letting you test drive it

really is a mystery

Yeah, because everyone brings 10k+ when looking around at cars. :rolleyes:

Ero_sennin
04-05-14, 11:25 PM
if im interested in buying a car id like to at least test drive it to see whether it has any issues. if the seller doesnt allow that then ill simply go elsewhere