Kei Cars

[hazmatt_05]

the bigger issue with tuning them is the short wheelbase. Twitchy + racecar = fucked.

Not on the touge!!!

[Chernoby1]

It's even worse there!!! Bumpy roads get you sideways like no tomorrow. I find it manageable in the dry, but in the wet.... Fuvk no!

[hazmatt_05]

It's even worse there!!! Bumpy roads get you sideways like no tomorrow. I find it manageable in the dry, but in the wet.... Fuvk no!

Fair enough, pretty snappy then aye. This one on the touge seems to be set up quite nicely, despite being torque-less.

[Chernoby1]

So much easier to drive my crx that is apparently snappy lol :/

And in that video they werent really pushing the little fucker. They drove it like a 'normal' car, ie, they let go of throttle, instant loss of speed. You have to drive these things like the oldschool f1 cars (circa 1930's)*... flat to the floor pretty much ALL the time. Tis scary as all fuck lol.

Most coilovers for 'sports kei' cars end up giving you something like this az-1:


* read this quote for more clarity:
http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/art_of_driving.htm

[hazmatt_05]

Haha that turbo AZ-1 looks like fun Geez it's jumping around everywhere!!

[Chernoby1]

Should see some of the az1/cappuccino/beats that have cages; lifting front wheel under acceleration.. rears under breaking... and then you look inside and theyve got a pastic seat with minimal padding. Crazy i tell thee crazy!!!

[aristo boy]

It's even worse there!!! Bumpy roads get you sideways like no tomorrow. I find it manageable in the dry, but in the wet.... Fuvk no!

must be a cappachino thing.
my mira is fine in the dry. sure if you hit a bump whilst pushing very hard (ive made 6L commos look like idiots) and youre turning shit gets interesting. thats why not everyone drives a tuned kei car
same goes for people who race 250cc bikes. you have to throw them around more than a bigger bike.
you can still push it hard in the rain. it just understeers if you go too far.

[aristo boy]

Haha that turbo AZ-1 looks like fun Geez it's jumping around everywhere!!

6kg springs in the front of something that is a very light MR might be a good reason.

[efimira]

the bigger issue with tuning them is the short wheelbase. Twitchy + racecar = fucked.

I forgot, these are impossible to do wheel alignments on...

im not trying to dodge your question,as i rarely online to jdmst, and
i'm lack of knowledge about gearboxes, etc...as im increasing my knowledge, i'll share a bit-by bit...not even a year i've using my car,how much do you expect i know about tuning/peformance...

Ok, instead of calling names, take it as free advice from me, upgrade your gearbox before you make more HP.
As I said, over the years lots of kancil owners have asked me on facebook/youtub/forums for advice but none have given any and you are making excuses now too.

Maybe grab a pack of pringles and sit down, ask your mates what they know about it? pretty sure you would have buddies with the same car.

threw in a meme 'cause I thought that is what we were doing now...

[aristo boy]

I forgot, these are impossible to do wheel alignments on...

whats a "wheel alignment"?

[Chernoby1]

must be a cappachino thing.
my mira is fine in the dry. sure if you hit a bump whilst pushing very hard (ive made 6L commos look like idiots) and youre turning shit gets interesting. thats why not everyone drives a tuned kei car
same goes for people who race 250cc bikes. you have to throw them around more than a bigger bike.
you can still push it hard in the rain. it just understeers if you go too far.

Im no expert, but id assume it was the 51:49 weight ratio coming into play. Stock its set up to understeer quite a bit, but its quite easy to push through that and snap straight into oversteer. Took a while to get used to it, but it hasnt done it since ive changed sussy... mainly coz ive still havent driven it that hard yet

6kg springs in the front of something that is a very light MR might be a good reason.

Ive got 6kg front and 4kg rear, and its bareable on melbourne roads. Weight ratio isnt too different between the az1 and the cappa either so id imagine itd be much the same. Garage limit is mainly track based, so guessing their dampers are fairly insane.

I forgot, these are impossible to do wheel alignments on...

I was just saying it in a general sense. I imagine most people would prefer non-twitchy racecars. Sure you could tune it out, but you could also start with a base car that doesnt shift around weight so easily.

Still, using a wheel alignment to get rid of the twichiness inherent of a lightweight vehicle sounds a tad retarded to me. Using a longer and widerbase just makes more sense (to me).

[aristo boy]

when a big car beats me in a race (too-gay not straight line, thats for people that cant drive) then i will agree with you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeCCN...ure=plpp_video << relevant to topic

[Chernoby1]

i get stomped by some rx7's and s2000's. Yes, im a crappy driver; no im not willing to push the car byond my limits and try to keep up.

cant watch the video at work

[aristo boy]

"Yes, im a crappy driver"

"bigger issue with tuning them is the short wheelbase. Twitchy + racecar = fucked"

[efimira]

I was just saying it in a general sense.

Speculating..

Sure you could tune it out, but you could also start with a base car that doesnt shift around weight so easily.

Still, using a wheel alignment to get rid of the twichiness inherent of a lightweight vehicle sounds a tad retarded to me. Using a longer and widerbase just makes more sense (to me)..

You do understand how inertia works? Less weight=less inertia to "shift weight around"

I have been driving the mira for 3 years and almost 100,000km..
I have never felt this "twitchiness" you speak of. Put the right size tyres (Put a 5" rim and decent 165~175 tyres) on it and some decent shocks it is as good as any other lowered car on the road.
It has been cheaper to modify then most larger cars (as long as you use your imagination.) Leftovers from bigger cars have been useful.