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    Stance, Fitment & USDM Car Culture

    Let's be realistic, the obsession with wheel fitment and stance is more than just a passing fad. Like it or loathe it, it's been the catalyst for a series of heated discussions on this forum and others around the world. Followers and devotees have spawned a fleet of dedicated fan-bases in a short space of time such as Stanceworks, Hellaflush, Rimtuck and Slamburglars to name a select few.

    The exact genesis of the trend is hard to pinpoint, with the essence of the style tracing back to several sources. For all intents and purposes, ‘Stance’ as it stands now is a fashion; it’s lineage does however have some roots in the practical use of wide wheels with low offset. It was commonplace decades ago in motor racing, and it has endured in motorsport as competitive racecars often benefit from the wider track. Having said that, stance is not a direct descendant of this one influence.

    The use of stretched tyres is now synonymous with the current stance movement, but it was first fashionable amongst modifiers in Japan adhering to the conventions of bosozoku/bippu/shakotan and kaido racer styles. In European car culture we saw wheel fitment become the ‘in thing’ amongst dubbers. This fad was picked up on and spread to the VW scene stateside, and some of the current stance trend has stemmed from both these roots.

    No doubt that Japanese car culture on the whole was the biggest influence behind the origins of the trend; but the current incarnation of stance as a fashion statement and movement has birthed solely from the USDM re-articulation of these Japanese styles.

    I would argue that to say the Japanese did it first is not entirely accurate; same goes for the Europeans. Certainly there were trends in both places that lent some techniques to the current movement, and they have had cars with a similar look in the past, but responsibility for the widespread popularity of 'Stance' lies with the market in the United States.

    Import culture in the US is now in it’s second generation. The first generation can be defined quite accurately by the scene outlined in the film, The Fast & The Furious. This glorified adage to import culture was heavily built upon the aspirations of many modifiers at the time. The scene there has come of age, and I would now say that the stateside import culture is in it’s second generation. The stance movement is firmly rooted in this second phase.

    Stance by current definition is concerned with both ride height and wheel fitment. Schools of thought on good stance vary greatly, and this can be attributed to the large number of influences affecting it’s current guise. To some the practical implications of wide stance on handling and performance are defining, to others it is about the tough appearance of a wide car, and to others still it is about being the most outrageously low and aggressive with their wheel and tyre combo.

    The subculture has birthed it's own phrasebook of slang and jargon. The words ‘stance’ and ‘fitment’ for starters, along with ‘tuck’, ‘poke’, ‘stretch’, ‘scrub’, ‘flush’, ‘static’ and any number of synonyms for ‘lowered’ (i.e. ‘sacked’, ‘slammed’, dumped’, ‘decked’, ‘railed’, ‘dropped’ etc.)

    There are several other fashion elements that have come through in this new generation of US car culture alongside the fitment trend. The most prominent are rat-rod styling and retro influenced accessories, along with the enduring trend of quality JDM wheels and parts. Currently the sports compact scene is particularly obsessed with crazy engine builds and/or conversions.

    In Australia our import culture has changed significantly over the years. Generationally I would say that it looks similar to the United States, with two separate stages in it’s history. The first of these was much more closely linked to what was happening in Japan at the time, whereas our second generation is more influenced by USDM trends than we might care to admit. The conversation in this thread is mostly concerned with the more recent incarnation of stance as a phenomenon, but no doubt discussion of this new wave of USDM culture will take place here as well.
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    i remember watching an old interview with Peter Brock on channel 10's RPM saying that the old race cars on the mountain had wide track wheels and tyres to compensate for the fact that suspension technology were not where they are today...hence the tyres played a major part in whatever traction they could find given that they drove really heavy and very torquey vehicles...

    IMO i love the look of fat wheels sticking out the sides of cars and making the whole car look low and fat, but seeing these cars with dangerously stupid camber and tyre walls wearing away at the wheel arch don't do it for me...

    there are proper steps to take in achieving the same aesthetic stance without compensating safety of the ride...

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    you have to remember though that this is more about form than being safe,

    what are the proper steps in achieving the same aesthetic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cristian View Post
    there are proper steps to take in achieving the same aesthetic stance without compensating safety of the ride...
    Quote Originally Posted by anastasios View Post
    you have to remember though that this is more about form than being safe
    You're right, the basic look of a low, fat car can be achieved safely and legally with reasonable amounts of camber and a respectable ride height; but the fashion statement of stance is more about the extreme. Cars with the “best” stance are often impractical and relatively undrivable because it shows dedication. There have been a few examples of people trying to one-up each other by fitting wider and lower offset wheels to the same model of car.

    Japanese modifiers are the ones who can relate to this most with insane amounts of camber employed by some to fit the widest most dished wheels possible regardless of practicality. In the end it is more about form than function, which is an interesting contrast to the supposed essence of JDM modification. I think that is the biggest reason for the divide in opinion, especially on a forum like this one. That’s a whole other can of worms, though, because certain trends in Japanese car culture have never been about performance or functionality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuH View Post
    You're right, the basic look of a low, fat car can be achieved safely and legally with reasonable amounts of camber and a respectable ride height; but the fashion statement of stance is more about the extreme. Cars with the “best” stance are often impractical and relatively undrivable because it shows dedication. There have been a few examples of people trying to one-up each other by fitting wider and lower offset wheels to the same model of car.

    Japanese modifiers are the ones who can relate to this most with insane amounts of camber employed by some to fit the widest most dished wheels possible regardless of practicality. In the end it is more about form than function, which is an interesting contrast to the supposed essence of JDM modification. I think that is the biggest reason for the divide in opinion, especially on a forum like this one. That’s a whole other can of worms, though, because certain trends in Japanese car culture have never been about performance or functionality.
    Im sorry, I believe no car can look good with the legal ride height of 100mm minimum when gong for the "stance", "fitment" or whatever look.

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    I guess thats part of the evolution of a sub culture, you get to the extreme, then you try to engineer ways to make it easier for the next person, so then there are more people at your competition level.

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    if anyone will agree with me USDM can be added in the arguments of forms and functions discussion?

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    the thing is, any style can be discussed in that way.

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    agreed, USDM took it a new level!

    im gonna go back to shitty offsets!

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    Everything you said....is win.

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    IN Australia the Ae86 community has been using low offset wide wheels for a fair couple of years now, way before this whole stance looked came into play, the cars look good but anything that will compromise drive ability is not a good idea, in saying that My wheels are slightly poking out of the guards and have very stretched tyres, but im not running the car too low, which keeps the drive ability high

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    Yes that is true, I believe that most of the people that get into the whole stance side of things originate from the spooner era of cars,

    It all comes down to balancing the form vs function as stated before lol

    Also AE86s are more open to using low offset wheels due to their design. 15x8 0 offset wheels will fit with minimal work, but this is totally different to a nissan

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    Do they really do it right? I have seen some cars that have had heaps of corners cut

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    none of this is new, i dont know why anyone talks about it like its a new fad or fresh idea of modifying a car. The ignorance of people to suggest that what they are doing to their cars is a brave new world that is being invented/spawned in the US is ridiculous and the main reason why some dont really respect it.

    having a low car with the widest wheels possible sitting in your car has been around for decades.

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