Honda Supremist

[Drifter995]

I myself love skylines, silvias, supras and most jap cars.. But since owning a civic from new, and then getting the chance to buy an eg (and own it) I've just fallen in love. I love my honda's now, And I'll probably keep driving honda's for the rest of my life. But at that same time, I'll probably have another car around for fun, whether it be a silvia, civic, accord or something else.

[DreadAngel]

The type of trash talk I've seen [inclusive of some replies in this thread] makes me laugh at the general stupidity of ignorant fanboys on both sides. I dunno if it's the Honda guys talking themselves up to far [Usually happens lol] or whoever else acting big [Nissan/Toyota/Mazda/etc] talking shit but comparing your Turbocharged Coupe/Sedan to a FF Hatch for example sake is pretty poor showing. You talk like it's an achieve to beat a small Honda with a bigger engine, a blower strapped to the side and RWD [Some people talk as if its superior, totally disagree, driver brings out the best, if you're fast with FWD/RWD/4WD then you're better, if you beat others with FWD then its a even bigger achieve all other things considered, anyway another arguement for another place]. It's expected you guys to beat a hatch like that, its an upset victory [That happens a lot especially when you're running in street class] when the FF boy in a hatch is off slightly your time or beats you. Don't automatically go comparing Pro class like every schoolboy does, compare your average trackdays etc. IF you're prepared to open your mind more, those guys are doing pretty well.

Some Honda Fanboys don't know their own limitations and wild imagination till you put them to the knife then get their ass kicked. Then they usually take the line of "I've got a Honda Hatch, got nothing to lose, FEAR MY VTEC AS IT KICKS IN". So when you talk to guys like that, inevitably they'll give you an overblown impression of their ego/image/head.

Both sides have are just as blind as each other...

Honda to me, I happen to like their cars as whole more than most other manufacturers, don't ask me why, the quality and most importantly the feel is beyond that of others.

[_Dee]

**WARNING LOST POST =P**

I owned a honda integra and got bored of it quickly after i was able to experience just how a turbo car felt, it was fun while i had it and i didnt dislike the manufacturer then but the reason why i do dislike it now would probably boil down to the attitude of the drivers that own them more so then the fact they are NA and its hard to pull power or torque outa them. I didnt bother throwing money into the teg when i had it as i couldnt really justify throwing money into a daily driver that i knew i was gonna sell to scratch an itch i had about the cars handling and power. I just dont believe its worth it unless your really dead set on using it as a weekend track car or something and you've modded it right. Its the attitudes of the honda drivers ( not saying other cars dont either, honestly believe its due to the P plate regulations ) that put me off Honda, however if i found a nice s2000 believe me i wouldnt turn down the opportunity of buying it its a fun car =). I also believe due to its popularity, parts and replica parts and fakes are so common and cheap which make them such a popular p plater legal car to start out on and modify, and in a sense i reckon thats also partially a downfall of why some people like myself might have disliked honda. Im sure the people that dislike hondas now, can still appreciate a well modded honda with money spent in the right areas where its needed and subtle exterior mods to make it look clean, im all fine with that, i can appreciate a car done right and the effort put into it to make it the way it is, it deserves recognition but i honestly hate how theres some honda owners (the affordable ones =P ) decide to follow the JDM bandwagon, buy some fake parts or replica parts that look like the real thing and just go around flaunting it about and how JDM it is whilst being ignorant to the entire fact that they have bought fake/replica parts that dont help the car handle any better or the engine to breathe any better and respond to constructive criticism with the term "hater"..... seems to be used so much nowadays. Thats the type of attitude that puts me away from honda, i wont say that other drivers of different car manufacturers dont do the same in terms of rims, but i believe i see less of it due to the fact that since they arent as popular there just isnt much stuff to do with them ( regarding p plater legal cars since its mainly p platers that put me off, i hope i dont see some old full license dude acting this way though... ) for example take an NA s13, exterior subtle mods since im excluding the use of body kits since every cars prob got dif body kits available but in terms of trying to do suble mods, you have the aero look.. bumper, skirts and rear pods.... not much for you to do in those cars other than handling mods and "light" engine upgrades.

Other reasons as to why some people including myself might not like hondas could possibly be as dreadangel has outlined, is of the honda owners attitude and infatuation with vtec.. I for one dont mind the sound of vtec when the crossover and tone is nice and deep, i hate the tin can raspy sound of some exhausts or cannons that some owners put on their hondas, i do like NA, but personally now with all the hondas around id get a corolla =P, mate has an old one, and i actually find it fun to drive haha. Oh right and the FF layout, i guess due to the increase in drift scene theres more people using FF as a reason to bag out honda, i do prefer FR layours or even MR layouts over FF but thats all FF overall not just honda, i just find it more fun to drive and i personally believe it it teaches more or requires more technique and skill to push to the limits around a corner than an FF car but thats just me. Im not a fan of drifting either incase something reading this thinks "this douche just an FR fanboy who wants to drift" i do find drifting interesting to watch and have some friends who genuinely into it and go to tracks etc to do so, but me personally i like grip =) i wouldnt mind learning how to drift but i believe unless you have a genuine love for the sport, having spare sets of tyres everytime you go to a drift day and the money for it is really not worth it. That said i do know a few people (yes p platers) who believe they can drift, in an FR car and in an FF car... so iuno they think they DK or something everynow and then telling me they hooked a mad corner bro and was fully drifting broooo.

All in all if we sum it up (and im just trying to answer Snoop G's question ) is that I personally believe the reason many people dislike hondas would be due to our governments P plater restrictions which has lead to majority of P platers buying Hondas and hooning around in it, showing bad attitude in terms of driving or modifying it and its popularity theres just so much you can turn a corner and see a couple hondas this way and a couple that way, it just takes out the uniqueness of a car to me and makes it that much more harder for specific said cars to stand out amongs others and be acknowledged because everyone goes down the same route for modifying hondas that ive seen so far, and yes at times it can look nice if done right, but parts are so cheap, almost every hick and joe with a honda have similar parts its just like oh this civics pretty clean, looks nice and all..( get off the highway ), oh look another one.. looks almost the same as the one before and so on its just played out imo ( the whole honda and jdm theme ). With all that said, i can still appreciate a nicely done honda, s2000 and NSX are just sex as well as some tegs and civics but even though i can appreciate a nice one with money invested in the right mods in the right place inside its just not like "wow" to me anymore, nothing special really and sorry if that last sentence offends anyone who owns a honda right now its just my opinion on the matter, they can still be nice cars that stick outa the crowd i reckon you just gotta dare to be different with it. NAs are great cars to drive, very responsive =) if i had to make a choice of my fav NA engines it would prob be an NA 20B or 26B (thats dreaming but) or a 4AGE all with trumpets =P haha, only wouldnt choose a honda due to reasons already stated. Maybe in future my mindset will change if somehow the car tuning scene decideds to swing in a whole different direction but atm thats my view on the Honda thing and reasons why i think some people look down on it or bag it out =)

Yup long post sorry about that haha, it just kept coming as i kept typing =)

[NAS2000]

I personally think that honda's are an awesome choice for fast NA cars. But they're NOT the fastest stock. Obviously if you dump a load of money onto a sports car, then yes it will go pretty fast but people have to remember the civic's didn't roll out of the factory superfast.

I give props to jap car makers for making such awesome cars as platforms but give equal respect to the aftermarket car manufacturers that provide us the goods.

But the biggest thing I hate is what comes with most young honda supremist's that think that it's all about USDM stickerbombing and hellaflush these days. So hard to find a proper Honda build these days.

[plAythiNG]

**WARNING LOST POST =P**

I owned a honda integra and got bored of it quickly after i was able to experience just how a turbo car felt, it was fun while i had it and i didnt dislike the manufacturer then but the reason why i do dislike it now would probably boil down to the attitude of the drivers that own them more so then the fact they are NA and its hard to pull power or torque outa them. I didnt bother throwing money into the teg when i had it as i couldnt really justify throwing money into a daily driver that i knew i was gonna sell to scratch an itch i had about the cars handling and power. I just dont believe its worth it unless your really dead set on using it as a weekend track car or something and you've modded it right. Its the attitudes of the honda drivers ( not saying other cars dont either, honestly believe its due to the P plate regulations ) that put me off Honda, however if i found a nice s2000 believe me i wouldnt turn down the opportunity of buying it its a fun car =). I also believe due to its popularity, parts and replica parts and fakes are so common and cheap which make them such a popular p plater legal car to start out on and modify, and in a sense i reckon thats also partially a downfall of why some people like myself might have disliked honda. Im sure the people that dislike hondas now, can still appreciate a well modded honda with money spent in the right areas where its needed and subtle exterior mods to make it look clean, im all fine with that, i can appreciate a car done right and the effort put into it to make it the way it is, it deserves recognition but i honestly hate how theres some honda owners (the affordable ones =P ) decide to follow the JDM bandwagon, buy some fake parts or replica parts that look like the real thing and just go around flaunting it about and how JDM it is whilst being ignorant to the entire fact that they have bought fake/replica parts that dont help the car handle any better or the engine to breathe any better and respond to constructive criticism with the term "hater"..... seems to be used so much nowadays. Thats the type of attitude that puts me away from honda, i wont say that other drivers of different car manufacturers dont do the same in terms of rims, but i believe i see less of it due to the fact that since they arent as popular there just isnt much stuff to do with them ( regarding p plater legal cars since its mainly p platers that put me off, i hope i dont see some old full license dude acting this way though... ) for example take an NA s13, exterior subtle mods since im excluding the use of body kits since every cars prob got dif body kits available but in terms of trying to do suble mods, you have the aero look.. bumper, skirts and rear pods.... not much for you to do in those cars other than handling mods and "light" engine upgrades.

Other reasons as to why some people including myself might not like hondas could possibly be as dreadangel has outlined, is of the honda owners attitude and infatuation with vtec.. I for one dont mind the sound of vtec when the crossover and tone is nice and deep, i hate the tin can raspy sound of some exhausts or cannons that some owners put on their hondas, i do like NA, but personally now with all the hondas around id get a corolla =P, mate has an old one, and i actually find it fun to drive haha. Oh right and the FF layout, i guess due to the increase in drift scene theres more people using FF as a reason to bag out honda, i do prefer FR layours or even MR layouts over FF but thats all FF overall not just honda, i just find it more fun to drive and i personally believe it it teaches more or requires more technique and skill to push to the limits around a corner than an FF car but thats just me. Im not a fan of drifting either incase something reading this thinks "this douche just an FR fanboy who wants to drift" i do find drifting interesting to watch and have some friends who genuinely into it and go to tracks etc to do so, but me personally i like grip =) i wouldnt mind learning how to drift but i believe unless you have a genuine love for the sport, having spare sets of tyres everytime you go to a drift day and the money for it is really not worth it. That said i do know a few people (yes p platers) who believe they can drift, in an FR car and in an FF car... so iuno they think they DK or something everynow and then telling me they hooked a mad corner bro and was fully drifting broooo.

All in all if we sum it up (and im just trying to answer Snoop G's question ) is that I personally believe the reason many people dislike hondas would be due to our governments P plater restrictions which has lead to majority of P platers buying Hondas and hooning around in it, showing bad attitude in terms of driving or modifying it and its popularity theres just so much you can turn a corner and see a couple hondas this way and a couple that way, it just takes out the uniqueness of a car to me and makes it that much more harder for specific said cars to stand out amongs others and be acknowledged because everyone goes down the same route for modifying hondas that ive seen so far, and yes at times it can look nice if done right, but parts are so cheap, almost every hick and joe with a honda have similar parts its just like oh this civics pretty clean, looks nice and all..( get off the highway ), oh look another one.. looks almost the same as the one before and so on its just played out imo ( the whole honda and jdm theme ). With all that said, i can still appreciate a nicely done honda, s2000 and NSX are just sex as well as some tegs and civics but even though i can appreciate a nice one with money invested in the right mods in the right place inside its just not like "wow" to me anymore, nothing special really and sorry if that last sentence offends anyone who owns a honda right now its just my opinion on the matter, they can still be nice cars that stick outa the crowd i reckon you just gotta dare to be different with it. NAs are great cars to drive, very responsive =) if i had to make a choice of my fav NA engines it would prob be an NA 20B or 26B (thats dreaming but) or a 4AGE all with trumpets =P haha, only wouldnt choose a honda due to reasons already stated. Maybe in future my mindset will change if somehow the car tuning scene decideds to swing in a whole different direction but atm thats my view on the Honda thing and reasons why i think some people look down on it or bag it out =)

Yup long post sorry about that haha, it just kept coming as i kept typing =)

What I took from your post. You hate everything, but you like grip and wouldn't mind an old corolla.

Honestly, your long post was futile. It went nowhere. You hate on everything, in regards to the Honda aspect side of things, you hate everything about it, but you drive an Accord accoring to your user information. Go figure.

[J]

That's one long-winded pile of shit right there.

[Snoop G]

leave the guy alone . He did a good job at expressing what he wanted to well done i say.
Most people can only type
"hahahah "
"Good work"
etc

1 liner, 2x words and thats it.

Its a forum guys we should be encouraged to post what we think and feel on the subject as appose to being knocked down.

[Bang A Dang]

i cannot believe this thread is still going on with crap
but heres my input.

On australia day i returned to Wakefield to see what time it can do as a base.
1.15.034 was my fastest....
Now with my honest opinion, that was poor form.
But when compared to the timesheets i clocked a faster time then more half the cars there on that given day
by no means am i saying my car is faster than a WRX, 370z, Porsche, Evo, Skyline, XR6T, Monaros etc
but it al comes down to the driver

be it a different environment, lets say the strip and im sure all the vehicles mentioned above will whoop my ass

[DW CUZ]

**WARNING LOST POST =P**

I owned a honda integra and got bored of it quickly after i was able to experience just how a turbo car felt, it was fun while i had it and i didnt dislike the manufacturer then but the reason why i do dislike it now would probably boil down to the attitude of the drivers that own them more so then the fact they are NA and its hard to pull power or torque outa them. I didnt bother throwing money into the teg when i had it as i couldnt really justify throwing money into a daily driver that i knew i was gonna sell to scratch an itch i had about the cars handling and power. I just dont believe its worth it unless your really dead set on using it as a weekend track car or something and you've modded it right. Its the attitudes of the honda drivers ( not saying other cars dont either, honestly believe its due to the P plate regulations ) that put me off Honda, however if i found a nice s2000 believe me i wouldnt turn down the opportunity of buying it its a fun car =). I also believe due to its popularity, parts and replica parts and fakes are so common and cheap which make them such a popular p plater legal car to start out on and modify, and in a sense i reckon thats also partially a downfall of why some people like myself might have disliked honda. Im sure the people that dislike hondas now, can still appreciate a well modded honda with money spent in the right areas where its needed and subtle exterior mods to make it look clean, im all fine with that, i can appreciate a car done right and the effort put into it to make it the way it is, it deserves recognition but i honestly hate how theres some honda owners (the affordable ones =P ) decide to follow the JDM bandwagon, buy some fake parts or replica parts that look like the real thing and just go around flaunting it about and how JDM it is whilst being ignorant to the entire fact that they have bought fake/replica parts that dont help the car handle any better or the engine to breathe any better and respond to constructive criticism with the term "hater"..... seems to be used so much nowadays. Thats the type of attitude that puts me away from honda, i wont say that other drivers of different car manufacturers dont do the same in terms of rims, but i believe i see less of it due to the fact that since they arent as popular there just isnt much stuff to do with them ( regarding p plater legal cars since its mainly p platers that put me off, i hope i dont see some old full license dude acting this way though... ) for example take an NA s13, exterior subtle mods since im excluding the use of body kits since every cars prob got dif body kits available but in terms of trying to do suble mods, you have the aero look.. bumper, skirts and rear pods.... not much for you to do in those cars other than handling mods and "light" engine upgrades.

Other reasons as to why some people including myself might not like hondas could possibly be as dreadangel has outlined, is of the honda owners attitude and infatuation with vtec.. I for one dont mind the sound of vtec when the crossover and tone is nice and deep, i hate the tin can raspy sound of some exhausts or cannons that some owners put on their hondas, i do like NA, but personally now with all the hondas around id get a corolla =P, mate has an old one, and i actually find it fun to drive haha. Oh right and the FF layout, i guess due to the increase in drift scene theres more people using FF as a reason to bag out honda, i do prefer FR layours or even MR layouts over FF but thats all FF overall not just honda, i just find it more fun to drive and i personally believe it it teaches more or requires more technique and skill to push to the limits around a corner than an FF car but thats just me. Im not a fan of drifting either incase something reading this thinks "this douche just an FR fanboy who wants to drift" i do find drifting interesting to watch and have some friends who genuinely into it and go to tracks etc to do so, but me personally i like grip =) i wouldnt mind learning how to drift but i believe unless you have a genuine love for the sport, having spare sets of tyres everytime you go to a drift day and the money for it is really not worth it. That said i do know a few people (yes p platers) who believe they can drift, in an FR car and in an FF car... so iuno they think they DK or something everynow and then telling me they hooked a mad corner bro and was fully drifting broooo.

All in all if we sum it up (and im just trying to answer Snoop G's question ) is that I personally believe the reason many people dislike hondas would be due to our governments P plater restrictions which has lead to majority of P platers buying Hondas and hooning around in it, showing bad attitude in terms of driving or modifying it and its popularity theres just so much you can turn a corner and see a couple hondas this way and a couple that way, it just takes out the uniqueness of a car to me and makes it that much more harder for specific said cars to stand out amongs others and be acknowledged because everyone goes down the same route for modifying hondas that ive seen so far, and yes at times it can look nice if done right, but parts are so cheap, almost every hick and joe with a honda have similar parts its just like oh this civics pretty clean, looks nice and all..( get off the highway ), oh look another one.. looks almost the same as the one before and so on its just played out imo ( the whole honda and jdm theme ). With all that said, i can still appreciate a nicely done honda, s2000 and NSX are just sex as well as some tegs and civics but even though i can appreciate a nice one with money invested in the right mods in the right place inside its just not like "wow" to me anymore, nothing special really and sorry if that last sentence offends anyone who owns a honda right now its just my opinion on the matter, they can still be nice cars that stick outa the crowd i reckon you just gotta dare to be different with it. NAs are great cars to drive, very responsive =) if i had to make a choice of my fav NA engines it would prob be an NA 20B or 26B (thats dreaming but) or a 4AGE all with trumpets =P haha, only wouldnt choose a honda due to reasons already stated. Maybe in future my mindset will change if somehow the car tuning scene decideds to swing in a whole different direction but atm thats my view on the Honda thing and reasons why i think some people look down on it or bag it out =)

Yup long post sorry about that haha, it just kept coming as i kept typing =)

[DW CUZ]

i cannot believe this thread is still going on with crap
but heres my input.

On australia day i returned to Wakefield to see what time it can do as a base.
1.15.034 was my fastest....
Now with my honest opinion, that was poor form.
But when compared to the timesheets i clocked a faster time then more half the cars there on that given day
by no means am i saying my car is faster than a WRX, 370z, Porsche, Evo, Skyline, XR6T, Monaros etc
but it al comes down to the driver

be it a different environment, lets say the strip and im sure all the vehicles mentioned above will whoop my ass

Thats a great time !, hanging for what you reckon is good form

[Xen]

This

Its a forum guys we should be encouraged to post what we think and feel on the subject as appose to being knocked down.

[Bang A Dang]

Sam it was my first time out on R compund, track was drying up
sprinkles on the last session
im aiming for 12 seconds or faster
from my last session, combining the best sector times from all the laps
is shows i potentially could get 1.10:100 *this is when every line, brake/accelerate is perfect*

[drex]

LOL

[_Dee]

What I took from your post. You hate everything, but you like grip and wouldn't mind an old corolla.

Honestly, your long post was futile. It went nowhere. You hate on everything, in regards to the Honda aspect side of things, you hate everything about it, but you drive an Accord accoring to your user information. Go figure.

lol hate everything? i gave my view on it, it did say warning long post if you didnt feel like reading it you didnt have to. I dont hate everything and im pretty sure i never wrote i "hate" honda either, the accord i drive is a daily? see people like you make me feel like hating on honda just to intentionally piss people off, i have other preferences other than honda because i see it everywhere i like something different, say if i "were" to hate honda, and i felt like driving one just coz i can, whats it to you? maybe its an affordable daily shitter? why do you have to love your car just to daily it? it works, it gets me from A to B, thats all there is to know about a daily whether i dislike it or not.

So yeh nah i dont hate on everything, it was my thoughts on why some hondas are looked down on, and guess what its not like i made up bull either, there are alot of p platers driving around in civics and tegs with fake replica parts and their stickers stuck all over their car parking at hangouts and pretending they all that boasting about their car and how "jdm" it is or putting retarded cannons on it and then decide to hoon around a carpark and all you hear is tin can, if you wanna stick to the "i hate everything in regards to honda" then so be it, i cant make you think any different but you cant deny that this generation has screwed up the image of the manufacturer doing what i stated before, you even have the people that jump on the honda bandwagon and just say "drop a k20 into it and itll demolish anything" and all that bs, yeh i dont deny a k20 in a lighter honda shell can be quick, but its not everything. Its the attitude of todays younger generation in regards to tuning and playing around with hondas that make it look bad and im not saying all but its clear that its a majority at the least.

Why dont next time if you dont like what i have to say, then criticize whats said and outlined in my post instead of just accusing me as a honda hater? or maybe its because there is actually some truth in what i said about what p platers do nowadays to hondas to make it look bad and their attitudes of going about it as well that might have offended you? oh well in the end like snoop G said its a forum where people can express their opinions, so in the end if you dont like it then you just dont like it =) nothing you can do about it though everyones got their own opinions.

[DW CUZ]

Lol _Dee . the same can be said for other manufacturers not only Honda's so why must you single out Honda?.
Same goes for people in their NA MX5's,SSS,Lancer's S13's i can go on.... there's going to be dud's owning Toyota's, Nissan's Daihatsu's in every scene , you just had the luck of seeing the duds in the Honda scene.
There are going to be more than usual dud's because since the P plate rules came about people started to realize the potential of Naturally aspirated Honda's.
Ive been in the Honda scene for quite some time now, i have not met any of the people you are describing, the people ive met are actual enthusiasts who celebrate all cars, no they dont think there
cars are the be and end all, even though most of these guys are coming on top vs many many other manufacturers they do not go around boasting "Honda 4 life yo, VTEC FOR LIFE".
Take for example Brandon, a p plater although his car is not p plate legal, he is running amazing times in his DC2R
1:03 Wakefield Park